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Canon 5D Announced....official  
User currently offlineAndyHunt From Singapore, joined Jan 2001, 1306 posts, RR: 52
Posted (9 years 1 month 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 3736 times:
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Just browsing around and saw this......

http://www.dpreview.com/news/0508/05082209canoneos5d.asp

Who's buying!

Andrew


Full frame always beats post processing
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User currently offlineIL76 From Netherlands, joined Jan 2004, 2237 posts, RR: 48
Reply 1, posted (9 years 1 month 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 3728 times:

Hmm... I kinda like my 1.6x crop...
E


User currently offlineChrisH From Sweden, joined Jul 2004, 1136 posts, RR: 16
Reply 2, posted (9 years 1 month 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 3696 times:

This whole sensor size issue must be real annoying for at least some Canon-users... three different sensor sizes and EF-S lenses won't fit etc.

I reckon this will be very popular among the wideangle lovers =) Poor X-sync though?



what seems to be the officer, problem?
User currently offlineTimdeGroot From Netherlands, joined Apr 2002, 3674 posts, RR: 64
Reply 3, posted (9 years 1 month 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 3673 times:
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Wait another year I guess, like the 1.6 crop too.

Tim



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User currently offlineMaiznblu_757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2002, 5112 posts, RR: 50
Reply 4, posted (9 years 1 month 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 3655 times:

Quoting ChrisH (Reply 2):
reckon this will be very popular among the wideangle lovers =)

Not for the WA lovers that have lenses made for the 1.6x crop. lol. (IE Tokina 12-24mm/Tamron 11-18mm etc)


User currently offlineChrisH From Sweden, joined Jul 2004, 1136 posts, RR: 16
Reply 5, posted (9 years 1 month 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 3640 times:

Yeah that's what I mean, the EF-S lenses wont fit will they? And Canons wideangle lenses aren't known to be very good either.


what seems to be the officer, problem?
User currently offlineSulman From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 2035 posts, RR: 32
Reply 6, posted (9 years 1 month 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 3630 times:

The 'standard' setting for "Crisp, vivid pictures that don't require post processing" is interesting; I wonder if that's a big difference over present standard output from the DSLR range, or whether it's similar to something you'd get from 'Parameter 1' on a 300D, i.e. still not terribly sharp or colourful.


James



It takes a big man to admit they are wrong, and I am not a big man.
User currently offlineMygind66 From Spain, joined May 2004, 1058 posts, RR: 11
Reply 7, posted (9 years 1 month 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 3573 times:

3500 euros...who can afford it? Not me...

Enrique


User currently offlineJhribar From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (9 years 1 month 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 3516 times:

Quoting TimdeGroot (Reply 3):
Wait another year I guess, like the 1.6 crop too.

Tim

I totally agree!
Sometimes you just need that extra few mm's.
Compensating the 1.6 crop at low range using focal lenghts below 28mm seems a lot easier than increasing the focal length of a 400mm+ lens by using a converter or even a different lens (which at this focal length can get quite expensive)

Jeroen


User currently offlineChris78cpr From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2004, 2820 posts, RR: 50
Reply 9, posted (9 years 1 month 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 3463 times:

I was obviously wrong when i stated my opinion about this camera in a previous thread and i do apologise.

Anyway, back to the camera...

Is it wrong that i am on a waiting list for this and a 24-105F4LIS..... Big grin

I just have too, this is what i want from my non action camera!!! And the cheaper price over the 1dsmkii means i can afford to keep my 1dmkii aswell! Big grin I'm super happy!

Now that 1dmkiiN looks tempting.... hehe  Silly (I wasnt wrong about this one though!)

Chris



5D2/7D/1D2(soon to be a 1Dx) 17-40L/24-105L/70-200F2.8L/100-400L/24F1.4LII/50F1.2L/85F1.2LII
User currently offlineKaddyuk From Wallis and Futuna, joined Nov 2001, 4126 posts, RR: 26
Reply 10, posted (9 years 1 month 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 3456 times:

Quoting Chris78cpr (Reply 9):
I was obviously wrong

Not for the first time  Wink

Dont you think you have enough camera equipment? LMFAO



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User currently offlineChris78cpr From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2004, 2820 posts, RR: 50
Reply 11, posted (9 years 1 month 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 3449 times:

Quoting Kaddyuk (Reply 10):
Dont you think you have enough camera equipment? LMFAO

Hmmmm, let me think.... NO! Big grin

Chris



5D2/7D/1D2(soon to be a 1Dx) 17-40L/24-105L/70-200F2.8L/100-400L/24F1.4LII/50F1.2L/85F1.2LII
User currently offlineGerardo From Spain, joined May 2000, 3481 posts, RR: 31
Reply 12, posted (9 years 1 month 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 3446 times:

I can finally see the 20D prices dropping  Smile

Gerardo



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User currently offlineFlyingzacko From Germany, joined May 2005, 583 posts, RR: 6
Reply 13, posted (9 years 1 month 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 3411 times:

Quoting Gerardo (Reply 12):
I can finally see the 20D prices dropping

I hope they will too.

Cheers,
Sebastian



Canon 40D + 24-70 f/2.8 L + 70-200 f/4 L + Speedlite 430EX
User currently offlineBanderas911 From Belgium, joined Aug 2005, 22 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (9 years 1 month 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 3383 times:

"I can finally see the 20D prices dropping "

What would the lowest price be in a few months? 1000 euro for the 20D?

Regards

Banderas911


User currently offlineDehowie From Australia, joined Feb 2004, 1060 posts, RR: 33
Reply 15, posted (9 years 1 month 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 3307 times:

Can you imagine how sharp shots from this thing will be!!!
Full frame so no multiplication of softness by 1.6 then put a 300/2.8 on the front.Man it will be the sharpest thing out bar none.
Also finally get great value from a 17-40 where you get the full 17 as opposed to 28.
With12 MP as well you can crop well into the frame to give you some extra effective length as well.
Better start saving now!!
DArren



2EOS1DX,EF14.2.8LII,17TS,85/1.2,16-35L,24-70LII,24L,70-200F2.8LII,100-400,300/400/500/800L
User currently offlineBanderas911 From Belgium, joined Aug 2005, 22 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (9 years 1 month 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 3262 times:

Damn and i just spent all my money on my honeymoon  Smile


The price will drop also in future, ill wait!!

banderas


User currently offlineVIR380 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2002, 621 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (9 years 1 month 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 3228 times:

Quoting AndyHunt (Thread starter):
Just browsing around and saw this......

http://www.dpreview.com/news/0508/05082209canoneos5d.asp

Who's buying!

Andrew

How bout you Andrew .. ?

thought about going Canon yet ?  duck 

regards Tony


User currently offlineFergulmcc From Ireland, joined Oct 2004, 1916 posts, RR: 53
Reply 18, posted (9 years 1 month 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 3227 times:

Quoting Chris78cpr (Reply 9):
I was obviously wrong when i stated my opinion about this camera in a previous thread and i do apologise.

It's not often you are Chris, Big grin your opinion is always valuable.

Or as a friend keeps telling me, "I thought I was wrong, . . but I was mistaken"

Take care

Fergul Big grin  sun 



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User currently offlineAndyHunt From Singapore, joined Jan 2001, 1306 posts, RR: 52
Reply 19, posted (9 years 1 month 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 3205 times:
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Quoting VIR380 (Reply 17):
How bout you Andrew .. ?

thought about going Canon yet ?

regards Tony

Me....Canon.....nah, always have been a Nikon man, you know that. Happy with my D70, and the results that it brings me, just patiently waiting for the D200.

But it was a good try! Big grin

Cheers

Andrew



Full frame always beats post processing
User currently offlineChris78cpr From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2004, 2820 posts, RR: 50
Reply 20, posted (9 years 1 month 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 3179 times:

Quoting Dehowie (Reply 15):
Also finally get great value from a 17-40 where you get the full 17 as opposed to 28.

Hmmmm, not so sure about this. Look at the example pis on the canon.jp site. On the landscape with the 17-40 is evident of extreme softness in the corners and evidence of lightfall off. The shots with the 85F1.8 and the 100mmMacro look promising but the 17-40 i am dissapointed with. The 24F1.4L would perform better i imagine, if not then it looks like some zeiss and leica lenses are the way to go for my studio wides.

Chris



5D2/7D/1D2(soon to be a 1Dx) 17-40L/24-105L/70-200F2.8L/100-400L/24F1.4LII/50F1.2L/85F1.2LII
User currently offlineVzlet From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 835 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (9 years 1 month 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 3165 times:

Quoting IL76 (Reply 1):
Hmm... I kinda like my 1.6x crop...



Quoting TimdeGroot (Reply 3):
Wait another year I guess, like the 1.6 crop too.



Quoting Jhribar (Reply 8):
Sometimes you just need that extra few mm's.
Compensating the 1.6 crop at low range using focal lenghts below 28mm seems a lot easier than increasing the focal length of a 400mm+ lens by using a converter or even a different lens (which at this focal length can get quite expensive)

Is a 1.6 or any sensor-size-related crop really an advantage? Doesn't the existence of such a crop mean that you're just starting with less image in the first place? If, for example, you crop a 5D's 4368 x 2912 image down to the 20D's maximum 3504 x 2336, haven't you achieved an equivalent boost in "zoom"? (Asking as a curious non-digital user.)

-Mark



"That's so stupid! If they're so secret, why are they out where everyone can see them?" - my kid
User currently offlineIL76 From Netherlands, joined Jan 2004, 2237 posts, RR: 48
Reply 22, posted (9 years 1 month 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 3162 times:

Quoting Vzlet (Reply 21):
If, for example, you crop a 5D's 4368 x 2912 image down to the 20D's maximum 3504 x 2336, haven't you achieved an equivalent boost in "zoom"? (Asking as a curious non-digital user.)

Not really... If you crop the 12.8Mp full frame sensor to the size of the 20D sensor, you're left with 5Mpixels. (Notice that the 1.6 is a size devision (length & width both 1.6 times smaller on a 20D), so pixels = 12.8/1.6/1.6)
That's less than my 10D...

Eduard

PS, another reason why I'll skip this one: It's 3200 Euros. indifferent  For that amount of money I can buy a 20D for 1200 and get a very nice lens for the other 2000 (like a 2nd hand 300mm f2.8)!

[Edited 2005-08-23 13:56:56]

User currently offlineGranite From UK - Scotland, joined May 1999, 5568 posts, RR: 63
Reply 23, posted (9 years 1 month 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 3136 times:
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Hi all

I'll pass on this upgrade.

Still happy with the 20D and produces great images and prints. That's all I want.

Regards

Gary


User currently offlineChris78cpr From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2004, 2820 posts, RR: 50
Reply 24, posted (9 years 1 month 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 3092 times:

Another point that has not been mentioned is the actual psyical size of the pixels on the sensor.

The 5D has a pixel size somewhere in the region of 8.2 wheras the 1dmk2/20D are much smaller.

Chris



5D2/7D/1D2(soon to be a 1Dx) 17-40L/24-105L/70-200F2.8L/100-400L/24F1.4LII/50F1.2L/85F1.2LII
User currently offlineTin67 From United Kingdom, joined May 2004, 268 posts, RR: 3
Reply 25, posted (9 years 1 month 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 3003 times:

It's an interesting format and unless you want the full frame sensor or want to really benefit from using wide angle lenses, I can't see that for aviation in particular that this would be suitable model.

I think given the expected price for the 5D at around £2500, I think the 1DMkII is a much better bet and is also better value now. By the time you've added a battery grip and a second battery that will not doubt be available, the £500 gap to the new 1D MkII N doesn't seem too much either.

I'm sticking with my 1D MkII, I love it

Martin


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