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Canon PowerShot S2 Is Vs. Konica Minolta Dimage Z5  
User currently offlineAeroWeanie From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 1609 posts, RR: 52
Posted (9 years 1 week 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 4511 times:
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I've been shooting with a Konica Minolta Dimage Z5, but I'm getting interested in the Canon PowerShot S2 IS.

Z5 pros:

-The Z5 is nice for shooting through chain link fences. The lens fits through the gaps nicely and by taking advantage of not having a camera body on the left side, I can get angle shots through fences.

-The camera is also nice and small, making it easy to carry.

-It produces much better results than what I had previously been using.

-The image stabilization on the 12x zoom works great.

Z5 cons:

-The images often have an eggshell cast to them, that I have to remove in Photoshop.

-Sun flares get overemphasized in images.

-The viewfinder is digital, rather than optical and it is difficult to use when shooting and panning at the same time.

-The CCD's red channel seems to have a lot of noise in low light situations.

Does anyone have experience with the Canon? As the Canon is a true SLR, I'm hoping that its optical viewfinder is better.

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User currently offlineFlyingZacko From Germany, joined May 2005, 583 posts, RR: 6
Reply 1, posted (9 years 1 week 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 4480 times:

Hi,

I don't mean to burst your bubble, but the Canon PowerShot S2 IS is not an SLR camera.

Cheers,
Sebastian



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User currently offlineGPHOTO From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2004, 829 posts, RR: 25
Reply 2, posted (9 years 1 week 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 4477 times:
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Quoting AeroWeanie (Thread starter):
As the Canon is a true SLR

No it isn't, it's in the same category as the Z5.

Quoting AeroWeanie (Thread starter):
I'm hoping that its optical viewfinder is better.

Again, the Canon has an electronic viewfinder, not an optical one. Are you confusing this camera with something like a Canon 350D?

Anyway, other things you should be aware of:

The Canon has better automatic white balance performance than the Z5 (might help your eggshell cast) problem.
The Canon focus speed is very slightly slower than the Z5.
The Canon lens has been found to have some purple fringing in some circumstances. Z5 appears to perform better.

From what I've read, there really isn't a lot to choose between these two cameras - if you've got one or the other, you will probably gain very little or nothing from switching to the other. Indeed, you may miss the focusing speed of the Z5 if you swap. Having said that, I have used neither, so treat my words with caution and not as gospel. Maybe you can sort your Z5 color cast problems by manually setting the white balance?

By the way, I use a Panasonic FZ-20 (5 MP) and find it excellent in this class of camera. I also have a Konica-Minolta Z3 (4 MP) as back-up.

Best regards,

Jim



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User currently offlineAeroWeanie From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 1609 posts, RR: 52
Reply 3, posted (9 years 1 week 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 4455 times:
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Interesting... the specifications on the PowerShot S2 Is say it has an optical viewfinder and it is an SLR: http://www.bizrate.com/digitalcameras/pid305879870/details.html

User currently offlineF9Widebody From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 1604 posts, RR: 10
Reply 4, posted (9 years 1 week 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 4451 times:

Quoting GPHOTO (Reply 2):
Again, the Canon has an electronic viewfinder, not an optical one.

I think you may be confusing what he means by electronic viewfinder. The dimage series (assuming the Z5 is the same as the Z2) has a mirror that reflects the same image from the viewfinder to the LCD. What you see in the viewfinder is the LCD image, with pixels and some lag.



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User currently offlineGPHOTO From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2004, 829 posts, RR: 25
Reply 5, posted (9 years 1 week 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 4439 times:
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Interesting, a certain amount of 'salesmanship' going in that ad.

The S2 IS is NOT an SLR, no matter what anyone tells you. I don't know if there is a definitive definition of this term but at least among A.netters they have interchangable lenses and a true optical viewfinder, i.e. TTL (Through The Lens) - a direct optical path through the lens to your eye - no sensors or screens involved. They also have a sensor that is above a certain PHYSICAL size (not megapixels), cameras like the S2 IS normally have a much smaller sized sensor.

The S2 IS is in the category most commonly referred to as "Compact Superzoom", i.e. a compact camera with a whacking great lens (for a compact, anyway) on it. The Z5 and Panasonic FZ-20 are also in this category. If the S2 IS is an SLR, then so are they! You can also see this type of camera referred to as "SLR-like". They sit in the middle ground between true SLR's and the cameras normally used for family snaps.

The sensor size of the S2 IS is probably quite small, I may be wrong here as I don't have it's dimensions to hand. This is important regarding image quality and especially noise. Superzoom compacts have much smaller sensors than true SLRs. One advantage is that it allows the use of shorter lens systems for the same amount of zoom - think how long a SLR with a 400 mm lens is compared to the S2 IS.

The S2 IS has an electronic viewfinder according to all the reviews I've read. Anyway, by that websites own definitions, optical viewfinder is probably worse than an electronic viewfinder - it's the type used on cheaper cameras. The optical view found on true SLR cameras is of the TTL type, don't be fooled by the sales pitch.

The S2 IS and Z5 are roughly comparable in many ways. Given a free choice, I'd choose the S2 IS, but if I already had a Z5 I wouldn't consider it worth the money changing over - I'd put that towards my next purchase.

For more information, check out sites like www.dpreview.com and many others. Don't listen to sales talk, either verbal or written on the web. And don't listen to what I say without checking it out somewhere else too!

Best regards,

Jim



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User currently offlineAeroWeanie From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 1609 posts, RR: 52
Reply 6, posted (9 years 1 week 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 4422 times:
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Thanks for the clarifications - from reading the dpreview stuff, its obvious that the S2 IS and the Z5 are the same sort of design. In film cameras, SLR stood for Single Lens Reflex and this meant that the viewfinder looked through the lens (hence Single Lens) and that a movable mirror diverted the optical path to the viewfinder or the shutter (hence Reflex). The S2 IS and Z5 are SL, but not R.

User currently offlineEdoca From Belgium, joined Mar 2005, 688 posts, RR: 9
Reply 7, posted (9 years 1 week 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 4416 times:

This page, http://www.kenrockwell.com/tech/2dig.htm has probably been mentioned several times already in this forum, but it is a good summary IMO.

Quoting GPHOTO (Reply 5):
And don't listen to what I say without checking it out somewhere else too!

same applies to this reply...


User currently offlineGPHOTO From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2004, 829 posts, RR: 25
Reply 8, posted (9 years 1 week 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 4408 times:
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Aeroweanie,

I dug out a recentish UK camera magazine which did a group test on Superzoom's recently. Two of the cameras reviewed were the S2 IS and the Z5. Interestingly, they state that the S2 IS has an optical viewfinder, not electronic, which is at odds with dpreview. So I don't know now, maybe it is, maybe it isn't. Recommend you try one in the shop.

Incidently, the S2 IS won the group test with a 90/100. The Z5 was ok, but did relatively poorly at 79/100, with a 17/25 in the performance category.

Best regards,

Jim



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User currently offlineCPH757 From Denmark, joined Sep 2005, 684 posts, RR: 2
Reply 9, posted (9 years 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 4375 times:

The S2 certainly has an electronic viewfinder. I'm owning one, so i should know. The resolution of the EVF is 115Kpixel.

The S2 has a very small sensor, making the picture noisier than dSLR cameras, and even other compact digitals (although it takes great pictures, with little noise under most conditions). This is due to the 12x optical zoom, that in combining with a bigger sensor, would make the lense to large for this size of camera.



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User currently offlineGPHOTO From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2004, 829 posts, RR: 25
Reply 10, posted (9 years 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 4371 times:
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Quoting CPH757 (Reply 9):
The S2 certainly has an electronic viewfinder. I'm owning one, so i should know. The resolution of the EVF is 115Kpixel.

Phew! Thanks for that - I couldn't believe that dpreview would be wrong and a newstand magazine be right  Smile.

Best regards,

Jim



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