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Would This Be Badmotv?  
User currently offlineAirplanepics From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2003, 2734 posts, RR: 40
Posted (9 years 1 week 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 3601 times:

Hi all,

Was playing around with some shots from last year, when I came a wide(ish) angle of a CFM56 from an easyJet airbus:



Seeing as it was a dull day, it's not the brightest of pictures - but would this angle warrant a badmotiv rejection?

Cheers,
Simon Nicholls


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User currently offlineSA006 From South Africa, joined Sep 2003, 1883 posts, RR: 54
Reply 1, posted (9 years 1 week 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 3576 times:

Hi Simon  wave 

Tricky one. I think this comes down to the screeners personal thoughts on the photo. Its a 50/50 photo. Depends on the screener IMO.

Nice photo though and I wish you luck with your upload. Perhaps someone with a little more experience canhelp you further.

-SA006



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User currently offlineTZ From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2003, 1085 posts, RR: 53
Reply 2, posted (9 years 1 week 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 3574 times:
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Looks like badmotiv to me. Rather an unbalanced view, with nothing eye-popping about it. Perhaps if there was a cool late-evening warm sun glinting on the fan blades, and the gear was positioned more sympathetically, then it could be a great shot. As it is it looks rather like a snapshot rather than a carefully considered composition.

TZ



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User currently offlineGranite From UK - Scotland, joined May 1999, 5568 posts, RR: 63
Reply 3, posted (9 years 1 week 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 3574 times:
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Simon

Nice clean and sharp photo but would possibly be rejected I think........unless you can Photohop a tart in the engine nacelle with her assets showing...........ooops, forgot they are badmotive now too  Smile

Regards

Gary


User currently offlineAirplanepics From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2003, 2734 posts, RR: 40
Reply 4, posted (9 years 1 week 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 3569 times:

Quoting Tamsin (Reply 2):
As it is it looks rather like a snapshot rather than a carefully considered composition.

That's exactly what it was, just thought it was interesting...that's all....
Quoting Granite (Reply 3):
Nice clean and sharp photo but would possibly be rejected I think........unless you can Photohop a tart in the engine nacelle with her assets showing...........ooops, forgot they are badmotive now too

I'll have a word with easyJet to tell them that they need some form of special livery on their engines then!

[Edited 2005-09-12 22:32:44]


Simon - London-Aviation.com
User currently offlineBigPhilNYC From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 4077 posts, RR: 54
Reply 5, posted (9 years 1 week 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 3548 times:

Quoting Tamsin (Reply 2):
with nothing eye-popping about it. Perhaps if there was a cool late-evening warm sun glinting on the fan blades, and the gear was positioned more sympathetically, then it could be a great shot.

Not to nitpick, but is Anet only accepting "eye-popping" shots now?

I was surprised to see this photo because I thought it was honestly one of the most well-compositioned engine shots I've ever seen. Good angle and an evne crop with nothing distracitng.

You're not seriously suggesting that if a shot isn't drop dead gorgeous that it can't get into the d/b, are you?

Kind regards,

-Phil



Phil Derner Jr.
User currently offlineLGW From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (9 years 1 week 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 3545 times:

Phil,

I don't mean to second guess Tamsin but I assume she meant that an engine shot such as this would need to be "eye-popping" in order to be accepted into the database, not all shots in general

Cheers

Ben Pritchard


User currently offlineTZ From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2003, 1085 posts, RR: 53
Reply 7, posted (9 years 1 week 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 3541 times:
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Quoting LGW (Reply 6):
don't mean to second guess Tamsin but I assume she meant that an engine shot such as this would need to be "eye-popping" in order to be accepted into the database, not all shots in general

Ben, as always the voice of reason. Second-guess away - you're bang on the money as usual.

TZ



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User currently offlineKnighty From Australia, joined Dec 2004, 207 posts, RR: 3
Reply 8, posted (9 years 1 week 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 3496 times:

I would say Bad Motiv - to me it isn't a shot of the engine but just a shot of the cowling. If you had have moved round to your left a bit and were able to include some of the fan in the shot IMO it would be a much more interesting shot.

Knighty



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User currently offlineBigPhilNYC From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 4077 posts, RR: 54
Reply 9, posted (9 years 1 week 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 3483 times:

Didn't mean to jump that gun. Although engine shots might not be the most exciting, I think shots like that are as good as an engine shot can be expected to be.

Regards,

-Phil Derner Jr.



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User currently offlineLIPH From Italy, joined May 2004, 848 posts, RR: 1
Reply 10, posted (9 years 1 week 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 3454 times:

Quoting SA006 (Reply 1):
I think this comes down to the screeners personal thoughts on the photo

I think this is happening far too much. An enjoyable website is now more similar to the limbo and the screeners are more similar to Gods...

Regards



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User currently offlineIL76 From Netherlands, joined Jan 2004, 2237 posts, RR: 48
Reply 11, posted (9 years 1 week 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 3450 times:

Quoting LIPH (Reply 10):
An enjoyable website is now more similar to the limbo and the screeners are more similar to Gods...

Yes, and don't forget to bow when you see us...

Very easy to blame others, isn't it? Of course you think your own shots are the bomb, everybody does, but there are almost 30 screeners who disagree.
When you feel that a judge passes wrong judgement in court, does that make him incapable? His years of studying his all wasted time? Think about it...

If you want you shots on the internet, you can always upload to myaviation.net.

Eduard


User currently offlineTZ From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2003, 1085 posts, RR: 53
Reply 12, posted (9 years 1 week 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 3448 times:
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Quoting LIPH (Reply 10):
I think this is happening far too much. An enjoyable website is now more similar to the limbo and the screeners are more similar to Gods...

LIPH - No, this is not a West Indian dancing website. Perhaps you typed in the wrong URL?

Contrary to what has been said above, and LIPH infers, screeners are not making decisions based on personal whims. We are here to implement the rules which Johan has set, and the Head Screeners and screeners have mutually agreed are universally applicable. I accept and reject based on those criteria, not my own. The others screeners all do the same.

Airplanepics asked for some opinions, and he received those. If he wishes to know whether it will be accepted or not, then the only way to know for sure is to upload it. If three separate screeners believe it is in accordance with the airliners.net standards, it will be accepted. If a mistake is made (yes, we are human and admit to making mistakes) then the opporunity exists for the Head Screeners to review a appeal.

Anyhow, whatever is said or whatever procedures are put into place, some people will continue with the conspiracy theories.

Tamsin



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User currently offlineLIPH From Italy, joined May 2004, 848 posts, RR: 1
Reply 13, posted (9 years 1 week 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 3441 times:

Quoting Tamsin (Reply 12):
We are here to implement the rules which Johan has set, and the Head Screeners and screeners have mutually agreed are universally applicable

Screeners are human being and as human being make mistakes. I see many pics of fellow photographers which are not implemented in the db with no apparent reason, and some other pics are in db with no apparent reason as well. As long as there will be human being to judge there will always be the chance of error. Have you ever thought, instead, of implement a new computer based screening process ? Could be worth a try...

Regards



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User currently offlineGranite From UK - Scotland, joined May 1999, 5568 posts, RR: 63
Reply 14, posted (9 years 1 week 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 3426 times:
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Hi all

Quoting LIPH (Reply 13):
Have you ever thought, instead, of implement a new computer based screening process ? Could be worth a try...

LIPH, you have started early with the silly posting's today haven't you?

Regards

Gary


User currently offlineLIPH From Italy, joined May 2004, 848 posts, RR: 1
Reply 15, posted (9 years 1 week 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 3413 times:

Quoting Granite (Reply 14):

LIPH, you have started early with the silly posting's today haven't you?

Granite, surely after you did...

Regards



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User currently offlineGary2880 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (9 years 1 week 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 3403 times:

Quoting IL76 (Reply 11):
Yes, and don't forget to bow when you see us...

oh I do, then slowly crawl away backwards in reverence

Quoting LIPH (Reply 13):
Have you ever thought, instead, of implement a new computer based screening process ?

ahhhh well little do you know.... I know I'm not realllly supposed to do this, but I have highly classified pictures of one of the screeners (mentioning no names) at a photography spot around ABZ...

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v504/Gary2880/MrW.jpg

hope he can forgive me in letting his secret out...


User currently offlineLGW From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (9 years 1 week 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 3388 times:

Gary,

"I have highly classified pictures of one of the screeners (mentioning no names) at a photography spot around ABZ"

Was it rush hour at ABZ when that photo was taken?  duck 

Cheers

Ben Pritchard


User currently offlineKey From Netherlands, joined Feb 2005, 99 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (9 years 1 week 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 3373 times:

Quoting IL76 (Reply 11):
Of course you think your own shots are the bomb, everybody does

Eduard, rest assured, certainly not everybody does. To see this as an ultimate goal is another thing  Wink

At times it may be hard to understand a rejection but looking harder usually helps. In other words: the screeners are good at what they do, they pick out more anomalies than many uploaders do themselves. And yes, the rules are complicated.

Erik



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User currently offlineJumboJim747 From Australia, joined Oct 2004, 2464 posts, RR: 44
Reply 19, posted (9 years 1 week 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 3357 times:

Quoting LIPH (Reply 13):
Have you ever thought, instead, of implement a new computer based screening process ? Could be worth a try..

You cant be serious ?
That's like saying who needs a human being to fly a plane let the computers do it .
Nah humans are needed for the job and this crop of screeners are doing a fine job.
Cheers



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User currently offlineIL76 From Netherlands, joined Jan 2004, 2237 posts, RR: 48
Reply 20, posted (9 years 1 week 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 3356 times:

Quoting JumboJim747 (Reply 19):
You cant be serious ?

The scary thing is: He is serious...  dopey 


User currently offlineSA006 From South Africa, joined Sep 2003, 1883 posts, RR: 54
Reply 21, posted (9 years 1 week 4 days ago) and read 3309 times:

Quoting LIPH (Reply 13):
see many pics of fellow photographers which are not implemented in the db with no apparent reason,

Reasons for the rejection of a photo come in an e-mail from the screeners  Smile

-SA006



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User currently offlineEZYAirbus From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2003, 2460 posts, RR: 52
Reply 22, posted (9 years 1 week 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 3269 times:

Quoting Granite (Reply 3):
unless you can Photohop a tart in the engine nacelle with her assets showing

Ahhh i remember that day, day trip to Dismal Dortmund, as for the tart in the nacelle, our captain that day was stunning, Sapho De Mulder she is called, see her many times at LTN, always gives you a lovely smile, she would look lovely in the engine!

Glenn



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User currently offlineAirplanepics From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2003, 2734 posts, RR: 40
Reply 23, posted (9 years 1 week 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 3232 times:

Quoting EZYAirbus (Reply 22):
Ahhh i remember that day, day trip to Dismal Dortmund, as for the tart in the nacelle, our captain that day was stunning, Sapho De Mulder she is called, see her many times at LTN, always gives you a lovely smile, she would look lovely in the engine!

Apart from she was aged around the 40 mark!  Wink



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User currently offlineEZYAirbus From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2003, 2460 posts, RR: 52
Reply 24, posted (9 years 1 week 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 3227 times:

Quoting Airplanepics (Reply 23):
Apart from she was aged around the 40 mark!

After seeing her close up mate many times and having a laugh with her she certainly younger than that, younger than 35 easily, stunningly beautiful!

Glenn



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