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NOA_Dirty, Can You Help Me?  
User currently offlinePitchul From Luxembourg, joined Jan 2005, 121 posts, RR: 2
Posted (9 years 5 days ago) and read 4030 times:

Hello all,

I had in the same time 7 rejections for NOA_Dirty, but i don´t see any dust spot in my rejected pictures? Can you help to find them? Than i will remove them and reupload the pictures.

The pictures :

http://www.airliners.net/addphotos/r...jections/big/FRA20050828P2-031.JPG

http://www.airliners.net/addphotos/r...jections/big/FRA20050828P2-063.JPG

http://www.airliners.net/addphotos/r...jections/big/FRA20050828P2-067.JPG

http://www.airliners.net/addphotos/r...jections/big/FRA20050828P2-099.JPG

http://www.airliners.net/addphotos/r...jections/big/FRA20050828P2-120.JPG

http://www.airliners.net/addphotos/r...jections/big/FRA20050828P2-056.JPG

http://www.airliners.net/addphotos/r...jections/big/FRA20050828P2-103.JPG


Thank you for your help

Best Regards

Emmanuel Perez

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User currently offlineFly747 From Canada, joined Apr 2005, 1497 posts, RR: 9
Reply 1, posted (9 years 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 4020 times:

Hi Emmanuel,

1. Two small dots to the right and above that building in the back ground.
2. Dust spots all over, equalize it and you will see them, there are at least 3, and also a couple of white dots above the letters on the 737.
The rest have dust spots everywhere again.

Hope that helps.
Ivan



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User currently offlineClickhappy From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 9633 posts, RR: 68
Reply 2, posted (9 years 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 4018 times:
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Emmanuel

I was the screener that rejected your pictures, there large dust spots, here is a random example

http://www.banditosteamimages.com/images/dirty.jpg


User currently offlineIL76 From Netherlands, joined Jan 2004, 2237 posts, RR: 48
Reply 3, posted (9 years 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 4016 times:

If you don't see them on the normal picture, use the equalise function and you'll definitely see them.

Eduard


User currently offlinePitchul From Luxembourg, joined Jan 2005, 121 posts, RR: 2
Reply 4, posted (9 years 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 3992 times:

Hello again,

Thx for your help, i will equalize my pic to find the dust spots and i will remove them. What is the best way to remove them?

Emmanuel


User currently offlineFly747 From Canada, joined Apr 2005, 1497 posts, RR: 9
Reply 5, posted (9 years 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 3988 times:

You can clone them out, which I prefer, or use the spot healing brush tool.

Ivan



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User currently offlineDendrobatid From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2004, 1668 posts, RR: 62
Reply 6, posted (9 years 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 3965 times:
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A tip for others with this problem, and don't we all at times?
I find that it is very rare for a dust spot to be bad enough to show up anywhere but the sky.
If you select the sky and just equalise that, they hit you.
Might be a tip for others to try

Quoting Pitchul (Reply 4):
Thx for your help, i will equalize my pic to find the dust spots and i will remove them. What is the best way to remove them?

Emmanuel,
have a look at Ferguls workflow, a PDF on the upload page. That will give you some tips.
Your sensor needs a good clean before your next trip out and there is plenty of advice to be had on the Forum about methods of doing that.
Mick Bajcar


User currently offlineSATX From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 2840 posts, RR: 6
Reply 7, posted (9 years 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 3919 times:

Those are damn good photos. These guys are just hard-core. Makes me think there is no point in even trying unless you have all the money and/or time in the world.


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User currently offlineDendrobatid From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2004, 1668 posts, RR: 62
Reply 8, posted (9 years 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 3892 times:
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Quoting SATX (Reply 7):
Those are damn good photos. These guys are just hard-core. Makes me think there is no point in even trying unless you have all the money and/or time in the world.

A really helpful comment from SATX.
I have always found time to clean my sensor, a few seconds and the cost is negligible against that of the camera/lens.
It is time consuming to NOT clean the sensor!
Emmanuel, they are good shots, but not YET good enough.
Mick Bajcar
Hard core and proud of it


User currently offlineFergulmcc From Ireland, joined Oct 2004, 1916 posts, RR: 52
Reply 9, posted (9 years 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 3891 times:

Quoting SATX (Reply 7):
These guys are just hard-core. Makes me think there is no point in even trying unless you have all the money and/or time in the world.

I'm not the brightest bloke around but your point is......??? Don't know what all the money has to do with dust spots!!?? If it's the time to take out to clean your sensor, then it's negliable, I do mine in less than 5 mins and the cost is low too. I got my pec pads and my eclipse fluid which will last me for the next year or so. If you going to spend a lot of money on equipment then you have to do the maintenance too.
Hard core???   

Emmanuel   

You can get more info on cleaning your sensor here, it's fairly simple to do.
http://www.pbase.com/copperhill/ccd_cleaning

Below are some links to Eric's and my workflow, both of which will show you how to clone out your spots
http://www.rockymountainavphotos.com/Kyle/Workflows/Workflows.htm

Edit: As with any workflow,Checking for dust spots should always be part of it, the equalize funtion is not only good for spots but I believe it's also good for checking against bad borders.

Take care and good luck

Fergul   

[Edited 2005-09-14 09:05:08]

[Edited 2005-09-14 09:20:10]


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User currently offlineNorfolkjohn From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2005, 251 posts, RR: 7
Reply 10, posted (9 years 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 3866 times:

Fergul,

Really excellent link that on sensor cleaning. Do you (or anyone else out there) know if there is a supplier of PecPads and Eclipse Fluid in the UK ? If so do they do mail order ?

If there is no UK supplier where do you get your supplies from - the supplier in Switzerland ?

Many thanks in advance for any further info.

John  Smile



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User currently offlineDendrobatid From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2004, 1668 posts, RR: 62
Reply 11, posted (9 years 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 3863 times:
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A UK Supplier is Warehouse Express.
Very quick, efficient service

Mick Bajcar


User currently offlineFergulmcc From Ireland, joined Oct 2004, 1916 posts, RR: 52
Reply 12, posted (9 years 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 3863 times:

John

Warehouse express are good for cleaning stuff, Click on Gigital and then on the side menue click on cleaning and you will see all the gear you need. All you need is a sensor swab, pec pads and fluid. I bought mine from the US, Copperhill but they can't send the fluid so I got that from Warehouse.
http://www.warehouseexpress.com/

Good luck.

Fergul  sun 



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User currently offlineNorfolkjohn From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2005, 251 posts, RR: 7
Reply 13, posted (9 years 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 3857 times:

Fergul / Mick

Many thanks for the lightening fast responses ! You guys are really on the ball !

Amazingly Warehouse Express are based in Norwich which is only 9 miles from where I stay !

Thanks again

John  bigthumbsup 



One thorn of experience is worth a whole wilderness of warning.
User currently offlineFergulmcc From Ireland, joined Oct 2004, 1916 posts, RR: 52
Reply 14, posted (9 years 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 3851 times:

Quoting Norfolkjohn (Reply 13):
Many thanks for the lightening fast responses ! You guys are really on the ball !

You're welcome John.

Hope you get sorted.

Take care and good luck

Fergul  sun 



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User currently offlineSATX From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 2840 posts, RR: 6
Reply 15, posted (9 years 4 days ago) and read 3836 times:

Quoting Dendrobatid (Reply 8):
A really helpful comment from SATX.

Glad you enjoyed it.  Big grin

Quoting Fergulmcc (Reply 9):
I'm not the brightest bloke around but your point is......???

It was very difficult for me to discover the problems with this photo set. I looked and looked and yet I just couldn't see most of the defects. Sure, when the picture was modified specifically to show the aberrations then I could see it, but if it's that hard to notice the problems in their native format then I'm a little confused about what the big fuss is.

I assumed that maybe if I spent more on my monitor and video card I might have been able to pick-up on the problems or maybe I would have been able to see more of the defects if I had a lot more time to play around with the photos in PS. Thus I made the comment about needing to spend more money and time than I would consider reasonable to find and correct these sorts of issues.

I'm sure my comments must seem pointless to an expert, but for those of us who don't know much about photography, getting more than a few photos accepted at today's A.net is a rather daunting challenge. That's all I was trying to say.



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User currently offlineClickhappy From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 9633 posts, RR: 68
Reply 16, posted (9 years 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 3826 times:
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SATX - The 2 dust spots are circled in the example I posted are clearly visible on my monitor, without taking the picture into Photoshop.

User currently offlineFergulmcc From Ireland, joined Oct 2004, 1916 posts, RR: 52
Reply 17, posted (9 years 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 3829 times:

Quoting SATX (Reply 15):
I'm sure my comments must seem pointless to an expert

I'm no expert, trust me!
I don't have expensive equipment, just your standard Dell 4600 with a 19" flat CRT. I agree that the spots in question are difficult to see to the naked/untrained eye but you must remeber that the screeners are doing this every day and when you do that you will become acustomed to spotting the flaws, like dust spots etc.
That is why you should always include dust spot checking in your workflow, it doesn't take that long to do it.

Your second post is a lot more understanding, thanks for making it clear, to me anyway.

Take care

Fergul  sun 

PS If you need help just ask.  Smile



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