EGGD From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2001, 12443 posts, RR: 37 Posted (12 years 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 2538 times:
Just thought i might start a little reality check here. As some of you well know i still don't have any photo's accepted but, i am far more advanced than i was 6 months ago. Back then i thought all my photo's were of decent quality, and should easily get accepted.
I was getting so annoyed about the rejected i gave up visiting. But there was no alternative elsewhere. Now i have the equipment to succeed, the advice given by other Airliners.net members to succeed (more than enough), the experience to succeed, the determination to succeed and i am in the right frame of mind to succeed.
I compare myself 6 months ago to how some are now, i thought it was impossible to get anything accepted, i was blaming my equipment. I have seen on this website, that you don't need a million dollar camera, you don't need to go out to the airport every week and take thousands of pictures just to get that one special picture, and let me make this message clear you DO NOT NEED TO BE A PROFFESIONAL TO GET PICTURES ACCEPTED ON THIS SITE NOR BE PUT ON THE TRAVEL LIST.
Everyone has this hobby, its up to you and me, ordinary people, to take those photo's and find the oppertunities. We can all get on that travel list, if you are willing to put the time and effort into it, and not make the mistakes i first made (pictures get rejected and i moaned and moaned). If you listen to what is being said here, you take the steps i can guarantee that your pictures WILL get accepted on a regular basis
Sorry for this little outburst but when i was feeling negative (i went to Slides hehe) this was the kick start i needed.
AndyEastMids From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2001, 998 posts, RR: 2 Reply 2, posted (12 years 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 2440 times:
Hmmm, dangerous subject Dan - looking for a deletion are we?
Anyway, I'll risk a comment.
When I started looking at airliners in February, and started reading the forums, and waiting for uploads, I thought "Who are these photographers who sometimes get stuff accepted quickly - I can produce result as good as some of them have done, so why should I have to wait when they don't?"
Pretty quickly therefore, I managed to get a big chip on my shoulder and got to the point where I thought "who are they [airliners] to tell me my photos aren't as good as the next guy's?" and "if they [airliners] can't treat me the same as some of the others, I'll not bother any more." I gave up in a sulk for a while.
But I realised I wanted to be part of airliners.net, and I felt I could make a contribution, certainly in terms of some of the older stuff I had already shot, so I decided to carry on. It finally dawned on me that the answer wasn't to bury my head in the sand, or moan about the injustice, but to prove that I could do it - prove that I could reliably offer images to the quality standards laid down by airliners.net, and get stuff accepted just the same as the rest of the established group.
I'm getting there and I now have much more respect for the system, and the long-termers who've made such a big contribution to the database.
EGGD From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2001, 12443 posts, RR: 37 Reply 3, posted (12 years 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 2424 times:
noooo i am trying not to get into that sort of territory. This topic is not really meant about me trying to get on the travel list or anything like that, its more "They can do it, why not you or i?".
I suppose people are looking up to the photographers who have thousands of photo's, and are not willing to raise themselves to that level.
I have realized over the past couple of weeks that everyone can do it, if you have a camera, a scanner and patience, even the most pessimistic photographers will get consistent results good enough for A.net.
Its been said enough by the "proffesional" photographers of A.net, i thought it would be quite nice to see that us "learning ametuers" can still feel the same way!
Ckw From UK - England, joined Aug 2010, 659 posts, RR: 17 Reply 5, posted (12 years 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 2407 times:
Well said EGGD - actually I must say one of things I liked about A.net when I started was that any rejections were between you and Johan - much less ego-bruising than the ritual humiliation which usally attends photo contests and other public exhibitions!
Perserverance, and the ability to take advice, are what's required. Anyone who thinks they have nothing left to learn about photography should proceed to the nearest dumpster and deposit their camera.
Sukhoi From Sweden, joined May 2006, 371 posts, RR: 8 Reply 6, posted (12 years 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 2394 times:
Nice thread and yes your right anybody can do it.
Two good words have appeared in this thread already: Perserverance and Patience!
You need both of those to succeed in getting your shots accepted. In the begining its hard work as "your" shots are the best you have ever seen, but digitising them and bringing them up to the required standard is much harder than it looks. Everybody has to be prepared to take knock backs initially but have patience, ask questions to fellow photographers and persevere and once you have worked to Johans standard then your see how easy it is.
Its nice to see Andy admitting that he was annoyed at not getting accepted at first, I love his shots and its a good example for everyone to see that once you have worked out the process then your able to get your shots in okay. My digital kit this year has cost me a few thousand pounds but I still get pictures not accepted, mostly down to the idiot who operates the camera doing something wrong! So it just prooves you dont need to spend a fortune to succeed you just need to know what your doing!
As the saying goes "if in doubt ask" There are so many helpful people to ask here and i have learnt so much just by asking them.
Andyhunt From Singapore, joined Jan 2001, 1302 posts, RR: 53 Reply 7, posted (12 years 4 months 2 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 2360 times:
AIRLINERS.NET CREW PHOTO SCREENER
When I first started to get into aviation photography, I had no clue what I was doing. I had assumptions like "Photograph at midday because you have the most sun to work with".
I look back now at some of my early stuff and I cringe with embarrasment. Even with scanning, I first thing I bought was a flatbed scanner with a slide adapter......what a joke.
The point I'm trying to make is the same as all of the above, it takes time, patience and a willingness to improve. You can't go from 0-100 in five seconds, it just doesn't work that way, and if it did, you wouldn't get any sense of satisfaction whatsoever.
You've got to taste defeat before you understand the true meaning of victory!
Andyhunt From Singapore, joined Jan 2001, 1302 posts, RR: 53 Reply 11, posted (12 years 4 months 2 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 2304 times:
AIRLINERS.NET CREW PHOTO SCREENER
My point with the flatbed scanner is that the one I purchased was about 5 years ago...........when all of this was in it's relative infancy. I didn't research enough, and just assumed that the word "scanner" and "slide adapter" was going to give me lab quality stuff.
I'm sure it is much better these days, but I've moved onto a slide scanner.
Turbolet From Cape Verde, joined Nov 2007, 0 posts, RR: 1 Reply 13, posted (12 years 4 months 1 week 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 2282 times:
I'm trying hard to get my pictures uploaded to this site, sadly I need a major equipment upgrade (probably a film scanner). Now, I just wanted to give a few opinions of mine:
1. What may seem a "bad angle" or "low aesthetic quality" to someone might seem a masterpiece to someone else.
2. I don't know about anywhere else but here in MLA and GZM it's very hard to get good pics if you're not flying. The viewing gallery is crap (glass, and very reflective and dirty) and there are fences everywhere else.
3. You really need a lot of time and patience (I'm doing my best to have both ) to get pictures uploaded. I'm still trying and I'm determined.
That's my two cents.
Da fwog From United Kingdom, joined Aug 1999, 867 posts, RR: 9 Reply 14, posted (12 years 4 months 1 week 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 2274 times:
Ah yes, but what are your fences like? There are fences all around Heathrow, but that didn't stop me from taking all these photos by putting the lens up against the fence and shooting through the gaps (I'll let you off if they're solid wooden panels, however).
EGGD From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2001, 12443 posts, RR: 37 Reply 16, posted (12 years 4 months 1 week 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 2252 times:
Oooh, i hate shooting through fences, thats one of the things that puts me off aviation photography. Luckily at BRS you can either stand on the crash gate, or in the car park there is somewhere that is raised so you can see over the perimiter fence and around the other end of the runway there is a fence - but it is only 3-4ft high!