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Uploading Multiple Pix Of The Same Aircraft?  
User currently offlineMr Spaceman From Canada, joined Mar 2001, 2787 posts, RR: 9
Posted (9 years 2 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 3925 times:

Hi guys.

The sentence below is one of the hints for getting photos accepted from the Photo Upload Page ........

"Upload your best shots only. Out of a group of similar shots, choose the best."

Do you think the word similar in this case only aplies to several shots from similar angles? Do the words ... "choose the best" ... mean only send in the best one or could it mean a few?

I'm asking this because I have 4 photos (of many) I took last weekend of an Antonov AN-2, and I believe a few of them are good enough to get accepted (wishful thinking!  hyper  ). They are from different angles around the aircraft and some are close-up shots.

Would it be OK to send in 4 shots of this AN-2 at the same time and send a message to the screeners with each photo that says it's #2 of 4 shots for example?

I figure this way the screeners can decide which of the 4 shots is the best, and then decide if they want any of them.

Is this method of uploading photos OK?

Here's one of the shots I'm considering that doesn't show the registration, etc. Do you guys think I should include it?



Thanks,

Chris  Smile


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User currently offlineVasanthd From India, joined May 2005, 450 posts, RR: 9
Reply 1, posted (9 years 2 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 3915 times:

Hi Chris,

Quoting Mr Spaceman (Thread starter):

I figure this way the screeners can decide which of the 4 shots is the best, and then decide if they want any of them.

Doing that would affect your acceptance ratio. The forums are here for you so that we can find which ones better for your final upload.

--Vas



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User currently offlineStealthZ From Australia, joined Feb 2005, 5714 posts, RR: 44
Reply 2, posted (9 years 2 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 3910 times:
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Chris,
A piece of friendly advice, it is not up to the screeners to choose the best photos out of a group, their role and their ONLY role (correct me if I am wrong guys!!) is to determine that your best work fits the criteria (quality, motive etc) determined for a.net.

If you cannot decide which of a group is best or most suitable a better plan might be to post (or link) them here and ask the advice of other photographers.

Nice shot, great colours by the way!

Regards

Chris



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User currently offlineVasanthd From India, joined May 2005, 450 posts, RR: 9
Reply 3, posted (9 years 2 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 3908 times:

Hi Chris,

Quoting Mr Spaceman (Thread starter):
... mean only send in the best one or could it mean a few?

Its usually just one...unless its a real popper of the lot.

Quoting Mr Spaceman (Thread starter):
They are from different angles around the aircraft and some are close-up shots.

Show us the photos...

Quoting Mr Spaceman (Thread starter):
that doesn't show the registration

If you know the registration, upload it mentioning that. If a rule exists that a photo must show a registration, i am pretty sure 50% of the photos will have to be rejected.

--Vas



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User currently offlineMr Spaceman From Canada, joined Mar 2001, 2787 posts, RR: 9
Reply 4, posted (9 years 2 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 3883 times:

Hi guys.

>> Vasanthd & StealthZ, Thank You for your replies.

OK, I understand that it's up to myself to decide which one (or two Big grin ) photos I should upload, and the reasons why.

I was thinking that I was increasing my odds of getting at least one accepted by sending in more that just one photo, but I understand now how that could hurt me regarding my acceptance ratio.

Here's a few more photos of this AN-2.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v373/Thud/YOOAN2RoCSReF.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v373/Thud/OshAN2ReS.jpg



I'm grateful for any advice about these photos, etc.

I'm very new to the photography uploading experience and have a lot to learn. My camera is a modest HP Photosmart R707, and these shots were taken at 5.1 MP.

PS, so far there's only one other photo of this aircraft in the database. Also, the shots I've added here don't look as clear & sharp as they really are ..... which I'm sure I didn't need to mention!


Chris  Smile



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User currently offlineEadster From Australia, joined Jan 2005, 2216 posts, RR: 14
Reply 5, posted (9 years 2 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 3854 times:

Hi Chis,

Having read all of the above, and without sounding mean, I personally feel that maybe the first one is the only one that has a chance. Also I am looking at in on my work CRT but it looks to me like it needs a bit of brightening up and a kick of contrast.

Great shots regardless.

Cheers
Martin


User currently offlineVasanthd From India, joined May 2005, 450 posts, RR: 9
Reply 6, posted (9 years 2 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 3843 times:

Quoting Eadster (Reply 5):
maybe the first one is the only one that has a chance

I think that the cars in the background will yield to Bad Motive.

--Vas



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User currently offlineFly747 From Canada, joined Apr 2005, 1497 posts, RR: 9
Reply 7, posted (9 years 2 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 3837 times:

Quoting Vasanthd (Reply 6):
I think that the cars in the background will yield to Bad Motive.

Clutter, or unappealing things behind the aircraft are not badmotiv. In front, yes, but not behind.

Ivan


User currently offlineMr Spaceman From Canada, joined Mar 2001, 2787 posts, RR: 9
Reply 8, posted (9 years 2 weeks 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 3821 times:

Hi guys.

Thanks for your thoughts ...... it's much appreciated.  Smile

>> Eadster ......

Quoting Eadster (Reply 5):
without sounding mean, I personally feel that maybe the first one is the only one that has a chance.



Quoting Eadster (Reply 5):
it looks to me like it needs a bit of brightening up and a kick of contrast.

You're not sounding mean at all. I wish I'd posted questions in this forum about my other photos that were rejected over & over in the past. I'd fix the cause for their rejections, just to have a new reason for rejection show up. I'm sure that's almost everyone's story though.

I will brighten up & adjust the contrast on a few of them & hope for the best.

Regarding cars & unappealing clutter around & behind an aircraft I want to shoot, well, I try my best to get away from it without losing the angles or details I want, but as you all know it's impossible sometimes to get what you want ..... without towing the aircraft to the perfect spot! If only you could.


I'll upload the first shot & perhaps one of the others tomorrow when I get home from work. It's almost midnight here now and I need to jump in bed.

Thanks for your helpful thoughts guys. I have many other new photos that I'd also like to discuss with you regarding whether or not they might be accepted, how I could fix them .... and why others were not wanted!


Good Day for now.

Chris  Smile



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User currently offlinePsych From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2004, 3052 posts, RR: 58
Reply 9, posted (9 years 2 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 3787 times:
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Hello Chris,

Nice to see you on the Forum - you may recall we exchanged emails some time ago now.

On the first point you raise - this sentence is amongst a few others in the upload/advice pages that could do with a bit of a rewrite, because I think it misleads. Another one that comes to mind is the stuff on size for uploads, which can easily be read as suggesting 1600 wide is what is preferred.

My advice would be simply not to upload more than one shot of the same aircraft taken at the same time. Though not fully consistent, the chances of a NOA_Double rejection are too high. Also, the screeners won't thank you at all for uploading a few examples and basically asking them to screen the one or two they prefer the most. There has been a strong push to encourage very critical self-screening, and the argument would be made that it's a waste of their time and that you should use the Forum if you have questions like that to resolve.

So, in this case, I would argue that you should choose just one of the examples - looking at them I would predict you would get a 'double' for any others uploaded. Of those you have shown us, I would be going for number 2, where the whole aircraft is in shot. Though the background is not great, I agree with Ivan that the NOA_Motive is far more likely when the clutter is in front, rather than behind. But again this criterion has a big subjective element, so there is still a risk. I think this is one of the better motives as far as the aircraft itself is concerned. I have a bit of an issue with the crop in number 1 - might be improved by cropping off that bit of tailplane and focussing on the nose more. However, from what I see above, I would be concerned about the overall quality of image 2 - there's a lot of jpeg compression and sharpness is an issue, though this may be something to do with the host photo or something like that.

If you think I may be able to help out in any way with the original/editing, feel free to get in touch.

Once you have decided what to do, if you upload, provide a link and we will be able to get a better look at the final quality of the image before screening.

All the best.

Paul (trying to reduce the size of my posts but failing miserably  biggrin  )


User currently offlineKukkudrill From Malta, joined Dec 2004, 1123 posts, RR: 4
Reply 10, posted (9 years 2 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 3777 times:

I agree with Paul no 2 (provided it can be reworked) is best. No. 1 falls between the two stools of a nose shot and a full fuselage shot and will get rejected for being neither.


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User currently offlineJumboJim747 From Australia, joined Oct 2004, 2464 posts, RR: 44
Reply 11, posted (9 years 2 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 3776 times:

Quoting Psych (Reply 9):
Paul (trying to reduce the size of my posts but failing miserably )

No need to reduce the size Paul as your posts are always helpful and appreciated in these forums.
As for the best shot i would suggest uploading what you think looks the best to you .
INO i think the first shot is a winner.
What ever you decide good luck with it
Cheers



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User currently offlineFergulmcc From Ireland, joined Oct 2004, 1916 posts, RR: 53
Reply 12, posted (9 years 2 weeks 6 days ago) and read 3768 times:

Quoting Psych (Reply 9):
Paul (trying to reduce the size of my posts but failing miserably Big grin)

Hi Paul, I was only messing on Saturday Big grin Keep them as long as you want mate.

Chris I would have no problem in uploading more than two of the same IF there are very few photos of this aircraft in the DB. I uploaded these with no problem but you need to make each motive different, i.e. front, side back etc.

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Hope that helps

Fergul  sun 



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User currently offlineVasanthd From India, joined May 2005, 450 posts, RR: 9
Reply 13, posted (9 years 2 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 3715 times:

Quoting Fly747 (Reply 7):
In front, yes, but not behind.

Thanks for letting me know.

--Vas



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User currently offlineMr Spaceman From Canada, joined Mar 2001, 2787 posts, RR: 9
Reply 14, posted (9 years 2 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 3604 times:

Hi guys.

I took this advice below from Psych & Kukkudrill first because the second photo shows the whole aircraft (and it's Registration), which I feel may be important because the one & only other photo of this AN-2 in the database doesn't show the whole aircraft or Reg.

Quoting Psych (Reply 9):
Of those you have shown us, I would be going for number 2, where the whole aircraft is in shot.



Quoting Kukkudrill (Reply 10):
I agree with Paul no 2 (provided it can be reworked) is best.

Here's the photo I up-loaded today.

http://putfile.com/pic.php?pic=10/27722153165.jpg&s=x7

Regarding JumboJim747 & Eadster's advice below, I also like the first shot very much and will upload it if the screeners don't like the photo I submited today.

Quoting JumboJim747 (Reply 11):
As for the best shot i would suggest uploading what you think looks the best to you .
INO i think the first shot is a winner.



Quoting Eadster (Reply 5):
I personally feel that maybe the first one is the only one that has a chance.

Because of Fergulmcc's advice below, I'm tempted to upload the third shot because it's from a different rear view angle (different motive), is completely free of clutter, has good colour, shows how the cockpit windows protrude outwards .... and I just like it. Big grin

Quoting Fergulmcc (Reply 12):
Chris I would have no problem in uploading more than two of the same IF there are very few photos of this aircraft in the DB.

Do you guys think this photo has a chance at all? Just curious.

http://putfile.com/pic.php?pic=10/27723081861.jpg&s=x7

Quoting Psych (Reply 9):
Nice to see you on the Forum - you may recall we exchanged emails some time ago now.

>> Hello Paul. It's good to be here in this forum. Now with the help of you guys in here, my future up-loads won't be just a "Shot In The Dark!" I currently have 1 photo accepted & 18 rejected (several shots were rejected more than once). My current acceptance ratio is a sad 5.3%.  Sad

I do recall our emails & believe we were discussing the photo albums ..... which I have some new ones of.  spin 

Thanks again for your advice & thoughts guys regarding these AN-2 photos.

PS, Paul, I don't think anyone will feel your posts are to long ....... now that I'm visiting here. hehehe


Chris  Smile



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