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User currently offlineBO__einG From Canada, joined Apr 2000, 2769 posts, RR: 19
Posted (12 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 2271 times:

Hey all,

Its been sometime since I last uploaded my last picture.


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Photo © Bo Kim



and i havent had any changes in rejection rates so I'm just wanting to make sure that my photos I upload will be worth it ..cuz MY rejections are still high!
I have 16 pictures IN THE FIRST URL that I think meet the criteria for acceptance but I need more than just myself to confirm.
Such experienced shooters and screeners such as yourselves and anyone else who can take a look at this thread, please give me feedback on what you guys think of my pictures..
I have 16 pictures in the first link ALL NUMBERED for YOU GUYS. When refering, I made it wasy for you guys to point when talking bout a specific photo.

http://home.talkcity.com/ProjectPl/bobo2k/11.html


Now these photos up next, I would like to upload but I am not sure because well, they looks a littlebit lackluster in either quality or aesthistics.. But if there is a possibility that I can get away with it with or without Warnings...:

http://home.talkcity.com/KidsKorner/bokimon/001.html


I have 12 photos again ALL NUMBERED for you guys to evaluate for this URL..
please tell me what you think of both sets of photos in these two links Ive provided.

I' hope that I can keep this thread running for some time to give a chance for a lot of you guys to respond and give constructive critisizm.
Ive spent hours today just making that website and preparing all the pictures, from editing raw scans to uploading and all that stuff and hopefully this thread WONT be a short living one..


Thanks for your consideration and time..

Remember, if some of you guys want to be really specific and serious about the 16+12 =28 photos in total.
Take your time in responding, Be brief or specific as you want..  Smile It will only make ME feel better.


Bo

The Clock is ticking..
Oh and last thing:

I have a Hp S20 Scanner and used Kodak Supra 100 and kodak Royal Gold 100 for the shots.. and scanned them with Vuescan at 2400Dpi and resized them into thumbnails which you can click on to get a larger picture in the URL.


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User currently offlineBO__einG From Canada, joined Apr 2000, 2769 posts, RR: 19
Reply 1, posted (12 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 2211 times:

Oh ya..

Every picture in this was SHARPENED as far as It could tolerate before ghost lines and jaggies started to appear.

It was Unsharpen Mask on Photoshop 5.5 that Ive used.
0.6 and 0.3-2 for final sharpening. And it was NOT COMPRESSED in any way during saving..

Regards,
Bo



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User currently offlineScreener2 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (12 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 2213 times:

Hi Bo,

Of your first 16:

Pic 1: I really like the composition of this shot (although I am not sure Johan does). The colors are a bit cold - you might try to saturate the color a little bit. I think you may have oversharpened this one - I see little jaggies along the leading edge of the wing and nosewheel door. The rest of the picture seems OK, so you might want to mask these areas before the final sharpening pass.

Pic 2: No jaggies here, but I am disturbed by the grain appearing in the shadowed blue area under the nose and engine. You see it on the 747's tail as well. This one would probably be rejected because of this problem.

Pic 3: The whites are a bit washed out along the top of the fuselage. I see hints of Pic 2's grain problem in the engine intakes and tail, but it's not a huge problem. The cropping seems a little unnaturaly. If the original includes a little more sky below the plane, I would include it, so that the plane is centered vertically.

Pic 4: Looks a little oversharpened - grain in the sky and jaggies around the flaps.

Pic 5: Not bad. But I'm getting the impression that Vuescan is "White-balancing" your pics a little too much. I had the same problem with this software before, and it's murder when you have a white airplane. I would play a little with the threshholds of this feature so that the whites don't get flooded, which make any lettering printed within the white areas look unclear. You might even turn it off and do it manually - which is what I finally did.

Pic 6: Quite good. Pity the horizontal stabilizor is cut off, but I think it would be accepted.

Pic 7: Other than a little white-balance problem (common to almost all your pics here), this is pretty good. Probably will be accepted.

Pic 8: Oversharpened and quite grainy.

Pic 9: The white-balancing is not helping you here. Otherwise it's OK.

Pic 10: Looks a little overexposed.

Pic 11: Scratches on the left side. The plane is low in the frame - it would be better aesthetically to center it more.

Pic 12: Excellent, although again the plane is a little too low in the frame. A small but acceptable amount of grain and scratch (top left in particular)

Pic 13: Low in the frame. Grain is OK. White balancing issue again.

Pic 14: A bit more centered than Pic 13 - that's good. Grain is a little more apparent, but acceptable. White balance.

Pic 15: A little white balance issue again, and somewhat low in the frame, but otherwise quite good.

Pic 16: The angle isn't the most aesthetcally pleasing, but technically quite good. Slightly low in the frame.

In summary:

Grain pops up here and there. Since you have a scanner which can do slides, I would strongly suggest you try some good slide film - Provia, Sensia, or Elitechrome, all in 100 ASA range. I think you'll find the grain to be less of a problem than with negatives.

Switch off all the fancy processes that Vuescan throws in, or at least turn them down. The white balancing is way too strong, and ends up washing out the sunlit white areas.

Try to make sure that the the aircraft is well centered in the frame.

I hope this helps. I don't have the time to run through your other pictures right now - if no one else does it I'll come back to them tonight.

S2


User currently offlineBO__einG From Canada, joined Apr 2000, 2769 posts, RR: 19
Reply 3, posted (12 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 2194 times:

It is nearly 3am now and Im about to go to sleep.
I'll make this short.

Screener 2..

I very much appreciate what you have done!! Big grin
Thanks you for your vivid observations on my pictures!!
For the first 16.. Hmm, The grain and White seems to be my biggest problem scanwise. And they seem to be very difficult Im my view to fix. But that doesnt mean that I will give up.

Sharpening.. Balah I can fix that no problem.
As for centering , yeah.. Busted on that and I will fix that next time I go out shooting. Embarrassment-)

Thanks again for willing to finish off your comments later on, as for the next 12 that I find are slightly worse..So maybe your views and analizing willl be little bit more stricter and heavier for each pict.. ?.

Only bad thing is that I have to rescan these picts again  Sad and do all the editing processes all over.

well, Im off..At least some of my pictures, a small amount will make it for sure.

Bo



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User currently offlineJan Mogren From Sweden, joined Dec 2000, 2043 posts, RR: 51
Reply 4, posted (12 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 2193 times:

BO,
The problem S2 is referring to as "white balance" is solved by adjusting "white point" in the colour area of vuescan. Adjust this value to 0.1 and try again. Otherwise you wash out the whites.

I really like the first Westjet !

/JM



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User currently offlineJwenting From Netherlands, joined Apr 2001, 10213 posts, RR: 19
Reply 5, posted (12 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 2174 times:

Bo, if you are having grain problems with your scanner, the only solution may be to use either a different scanner or a different film.
Different films (even with the same physical size grain) can produce quite different results on a scanner.
For example, a Primefilm 1800 (my old unit) would give good results with Fuji NPH 400, but extremely grainy results with NPS 160. According to the specsheets from Fuji, these two films have identical grainsize (and I don't doubt them, the negs and prints when magnified look very similar).
Using a different scanner, the results might have been different (hope to get a replacement soon and put that to the test). I spoke to my lab, they had seen the same thing and put it down to the actual shape (not size) of the grain.



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User currently offlineScreener2 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (12 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 2168 times:

Bo,

One thing I found to be a big help is to do all my scanning in one go. Don't play with the pictures just yet, just scan them all in large format and put them in a directory on your hard drive, preferably with no processing done to them by default (like the white balancing). Once done, copy the whole directory and keep the original directory as a backup, and start working on the files in the copy directory. That way, if you screw something up, you already have the original scan which you can start over with without having to pull out your films/slides again.

Once completed, uploaded and accepted by A.Net, I'll archive the original large format scans onto CD-ROM, and trash the small upload files.

S2


User currently offlineJan Mogren From Sweden, joined Dec 2000, 2043 posts, RR: 51
Reply 7, posted (12 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 2158 times:

S2 and Bo,
that is one great thing with VueScan, it lets you save the scan as is, and you can later do a new processing of it without scanning the slide again.
/JM



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User currently offlineScreener2 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (12 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 2153 times:

Part 2:

Here are my comments on the second group of shots.

Photo 1: I really like this shot. Even though some might want it zoomed in more, I like the openess (sp?) and the atmosphere provided by the sky. Unfortunately the scan quality is not up to par. There are streak marks in the top-left region, which looks like it's been wiped with a wet sponge. The plane itself does not stand out - it almost looks matted in. This is a picture that I would try to wring the maximum out of your scanner. Use ever trick you can, multipass scanning, whatever. It's a very good shot, I think, and is worth the effort.

Photo 2: The planes themselves are a bit grainy, and shooting backlit planes under hazy skies is not something that will make your life easy. I don't think this one works.

Photo 3: What's all this sky? Please center. Looks like you were the victim of summer heat rising off of the ground, creating distortion. Not a bad shot, otherwise, but I don't think you'll be able to save it from the distortion.

Photo 4: Quite grainy and washed out. Taking pictures at mid-day is tough with the sun right overhead.

Photo 5: Lots of sky again. A little on the grainy side, but not bad. Maybe overexposed by a fraction of an f/stop.

Photo 6: Quite grainy. I'd zoom in.

Photo 7: Not a bad shot. But grainy, and you have that white balance issue.

Photo 8: Oversharpened and grainy. White.

Photo 9: Backlit and grainy.

Photo 10: The White and grain are still a problem, but it's a very nice shot none the less.

Photo 11: Pretty good, but these hazy white skies are a killer. Grainy, and there's a reflection at the top left.

Photo 12: Oversharpened - you see jaggies around the engines and a white outline under the fuselage.

General comments:

The white balance problem needs to be taken care of. I think you should also change film - your S20 does not seem to like these films. I seem to recall that you once tried Provia with some success on your S20.

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Why reinvent the wheel? Use what the scanner likes. I know slides are less convenient than prints, but it's either that (or a lot of experimentation to find another film it likes), or buying another scanner.

Hope I could help,

S2


User currently offlineBO__einG From Canada, joined Apr 2000, 2769 posts, RR: 19
Reply 9, posted (12 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 2134 times:

Yes, Ive done some provia indeed.
But unfortuneatly the quality when scanning is much worse than negative films.

The same problem are seen when I use K64 (Which I recently did) and Sensia 11

This big problem I face when scanning is excessive noise
on a whole lot of my slides. and soemtimes awful colors.
I have so far 2 rolls of Provia and out of those.. only 2 SHOTS the ones that youve posted and another one were good enough to make it on to this site quality wise.

I can try scanning these again but I may need some help,
some fellow S20 users that scan slides seem to have a breeze no problem when scanning slides but Im cursed or something.

So negative is my only way out.. Supra that film I used had the best results with the fewest amount of grain, SO I'll stick with it and work on the scanner/vuescan itself.
Thanks again for your thril inspecting of my second set of shots.

Does Anyone else has to comment about my shots?

Bo

And Jan, thanks I'lll give that 0.1 a shot and see how it turns out. I noticed that sometimes such small changes can give disaterous results when scanning.
And unfortuneatly my scanner does not support multiscanning so thats one thing i hate about my scanner.



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User currently offlineScreener4 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (12 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 2122 times:

Bo,

I don't know if you need my comments, as S2 has already done a good job of critiqueing (sp?) your pics, but, for what it's worth, I'll just sum up a few thoughts of my own:

I *really* like the first Westjet shot. Great angle - if you can get down this low and pull it off, it makes the aircraft look really dramatic.

The whites *are* a little overpowering. But not by very much - it only needs the smallest adjustment.

There is definately a theme of too much sharpening going on. This is a common theme amongst the pics we screen - either we get a lot which look like they haven't been sharpened at all, or we get lots that have been sharpened too much. It's difficult to strike a balance when you are sharpening pics, I know - especially because when you have sharpened a lot, and then you try to adjust it down a little, the pic then doesn't seem sharp enough to you. If you still have the original scans of these shots without any sharpening/color adjustments, I would suggest sharpening less (have a play with the settings in Photoshop - start from a radius of 1.0, strength of 100 and threshold of 10, and adjust them a little way this and that until you are happy), and either tweaking the contrast a little lower, or maybe take out a little blue from the pics (maybe -3, -6?).

There are a couple of shots where the aircraft is too small in the frame - e.g. Pic 8. I would crop in more tightly on the aircraft with these shots, and I would also say that the aircraft should be centered UNLESS there's a really good reason for them not to be. (In the same vein as S2, I would try to avoid shots like the Horizon Air where the aircraft is right at the bottom of the frame, again, unless this is because you have, say, a dramatic sky, or building above the a/c).

Good luck with the submissions! If they come my way, I promise I'll be gentle!

S4


User currently offlineBO__einG From Canada, joined Apr 2000, 2769 posts, RR: 19
Reply 11, posted (12 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 2162 times:

 Smile Gentle..
Thanks Screener 4.
I also appreciate what youve done to help me out as well.

What I plan to do is that some pictures that i put up there are relatively allright.. a few of them I will upload and the rest..

Ill have to start over with the editing and stuff.
and Ill ease the sharpening for suer.!  Sad


Bo



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