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Assistance Needed With A Soft Rejection  
User currently offlineJumboJim747 From Australia, joined Oct 2004, 2464 posts, RR: 44
Posted (8 years 11 months 5 days ago) and read 4223 times:

I had this shot rejected for NOA-soft i reuploaded it with 1 more kick of USM at 150% and now it got done for the same thing NOA-soft again.
Can anyone please assist please.
Should i just can the shot or give it another go.
Here is the shot.
http://www.airliners.net/addphotos/r...ions/big/n412mc120905sydalan-2.jpg
Any help appreciated

[Edited 2005-10-23 08:26:27]


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User currently offlineGPHOTO From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2004, 829 posts, RR: 24
Reply 1, posted (8 years 11 months 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 4215 times:
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Yes, it is still soft in places. The problem lies with the original photo. I think it is more of a depth-of-field issue - the wingtip and engine seem sharp enough, but look at the numbers on the nose gear door or the cockpit window edges for example. They are very slightly out of focus, giving a soft appearance to parts of the image. I don't have any advice on how to fix it, I don't think you can. Any ideas anyone?

Best regards,

Jim



Erm, is this thing on?
User currently offlineStealthZ From Australia, joined Feb 2005, 5697 posts, RR: 44
Reply 2, posted (8 years 11 months 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 4213 times:
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Alan,
I had a quick look.. I think it is a just a tad soft around the tip of the nose. Maybe a little DOF problem.
Pretty tough call tho.. but this is A.net in 2005!

Great shot tho!

Chris



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User currently offlineJumboJim747 From Australia, joined Oct 2004, 2464 posts, RR: 44
Reply 3, posted (8 years 11 months 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 4204 times:

Jim and Chris thanks for the help and the kind words .
Might just let this one sit in the private collection.
Cheers



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User currently offlineSpencer From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2004, 1635 posts, RR: 17
Reply 4, posted (8 years 11 months 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 4190 times:

What a shot though!! Really like that a lot, what a shame they didn't accept it. Strange.
Spencer.



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User currently offlineJumboJim747 From Australia, joined Oct 2004, 2464 posts, RR: 44
Reply 5, posted (8 years 11 months 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 4175 times:

Quoting Spencer (Reply 4):
What a shot though!! Really like that a lot, what a shame they didn't accept it. Strange.

Hey thanks Spencer i appreciate the kind words about the pic
I can live with the rejection that's just the way it is sometimes you win some you lose some .
But i can honestly say that i now can see the problems that could have gotten the rejection as Jim and Chris pointed out it could be a DOF issue may have to practice on that a bit more.
Appreciate the help from you all.
Cheers



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User currently offlineFlyfisher1976 From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 804 posts, RR: 2
Reply 6, posted (8 years 11 months 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 4140 times:

Quoting GPHOTO (Reply 1):
I think it is more of a depth-of-field issue

What was the apeture setting?


User currently offlineEadster From Australia, joined Jan 2005, 2216 posts, RR: 14
Reply 7, posted (8 years 11 months 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 4091 times:

Quoting Spencer (Reply 4):
What a shot though!! Really like that a lot, what a shame they didn't accept it. Strange.

I agree, magic shot - Well done. It is a little soft around the nose and as said previously, looks like a depth-of-field problem. I'd really try to work on it.

Just a beautiful shot.


User currently offlineJumboJim747 From Australia, joined Oct 2004, 2464 posts, RR: 44
Reply 8, posted (8 years 11 months 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 4081 times:

Quoting Eadster (Reply 7):
What was the apeture setting?

Joseph it was at f8 ISO 100 .

Quoting Eadster (Reply 7):
I'd really try to work on it.

Just a beautiful shot.

Thanks again Martin for the kind words but after the second rejection im not to keep on getting a 3rd but the thought had crossed my mind
appreciate the comment from you all.
Cheers



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User currently offlineGlennstewart From Australia, joined Jun 2003, 1124 posts, RR: 54
Reply 9, posted (8 years 11 months 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 4052 times:

Hi there mate.... long time!

Sometimes soft shots can't be fixed. The original has to be of good enough quality and fairly wide depth of field in order to be able to be sharpened.

Many a time I'll see a shot uploaded which is so sharp in the centre, that the jaggies are starting to occur, whilst either end is soft. Sometimes this is the lens quality, sometimes the aperture or sometimes simply not panning correctly or quickly enough.... nevertheless, point is, if you can't sharpen the whole image as to have the aircraft crisp (not jagged), then don't bother uploading. Surely there's another shot worth uploading?



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User currently offlineGlennstewart From Australia, joined Jun 2003, 1124 posts, RR: 54
Reply 10, posted (8 years 11 months 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 4050 times:

Very quickly though, at work so wasn't about to look at your shot on these crappy screens (my home trinitron CRT is perfect). The top appears to be soft, but damn nice shot.
Any more in the sequence?



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User currently offlineFergulmcc From Ireland, joined Oct 2004, 1916 posts, RR: 52
Reply 11, posted (8 years 11 months 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 4036 times:

Cracking shot Alan, is there another one in the sequence?

Take care

Fergul  sun 



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User currently offlineJumboJim747 From Australia, joined Oct 2004, 2464 posts, RR: 44
Reply 12, posted (8 years 11 months 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 4024 times:

Quoting Glennstewart (Reply 10):
The top appears to be soft, but damn nice shot.

Thank you Glenn appreciate the kind words and nice to see you again it has been a while.
Hope to catch up with you soon.

Quoting Glennstewart (Reply 10):
Any more in the sequence?



Quoting Fergulmcc (Reply 11):
Cracking shot Alan, is there another one in the sequence?

Thanks ferg and to answer the question there is more in the sequesnce but the shot i was after was the last one in that sequence as the engines are in the right location.
The others are of the full aircraft and i could upload that but it wasn't what i wanted at the time .
Appreciate the help and the support from you guys.
Cheers



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User currently offlineFergulmcc From Ireland, joined Oct 2004, 1916 posts, RR: 52
Reply 13, posted (8 years 11 months 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 4021 times:

Quoting JumboJim747 (Reply 12):
Thanks ferg and to answer the question there is more in the sequesnce but the shot i was after was the last one in that sequence as the engines are in the right location.

I know the feeling Alan, it's always the one you like the best that has something wrong with it, or a little harder to work on. Cracker all the same, nice to see a different motive on this. Well done

Fergul  sun 



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User currently offlineJumboJim747 From Australia, joined Oct 2004, 2464 posts, RR: 44
Reply 14, posted (8 years 11 months 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 3989 times:

Quoting Fergulmcc (Reply 13):
Cracker all the same, nice to see a different motive on this. Well done

Thanks Ferg i try to make some a bit different.
Thanks to Mick Bajcar for the help in re editing the shot with a slightly different crop .
I have uploaded it again and want your opinions on it now.
Thanks again for any opinions.
http://www.airliners.net/addphotos/big/ready/redoneAtlas.jpg



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User currently offlineAirplanepics From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2003, 2734 posts, RR: 40
Reply 15, posted (8 years 11 months 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 3982 times:

Hi Jim,

The re-edited version looks much better. Although, I can spot some jaggies above the titles.

Nice shot though!

Cheers,
Simon Nicholls



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User currently offlineFergulmcc From Ireland, joined Oct 2004, 1916 posts, RR: 52
Reply 16, posted (8 years 11 months 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 3973 times:

Quoting JumboJim747 (Reply 14):
Thanks to Mick Bajcar for the help in re editing the shot with a slightly different crop .
I have uploaded it again and want your opinions on it now.

Couldn't have done it better myself, an excellent process Mick, well done. I would agree with Simon that there are a few jaggies on the top of the titles, but still a good version. It is sometimes better when there is a little softness to zoom out if you like, or crop bigger and re-size down to hide some of the faults.

Hopefully this will get in, very nice shot Alan.

Take care

Fergul  sun 



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User currently offlineJumboJim747 From Australia, joined Oct 2004, 2464 posts, RR: 44
Reply 17, posted (8 years 11 months 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 3964 times:

Quoting Airplanepics (Reply 15):
Nice shot though!

Thanks Simon this new monitor that i have been using the last few days i think is not the best for editing as i cant see some of the jaggies that i could see before on the other monitor.

Quoting Fergulmcc (Reply 16):
re-size down to hide some of the faults.

Spot on ferg sometimes you take a risk cropping too close but you are right on that point i always try to get most of the plane in the frame but i wasn't planning on this sort of crop when i shot the picture.
Anyways again thanks to you all and Mick for his assistance
Cheers



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User currently offlineJumboJim747 From Australia, joined Oct 2004, 2464 posts, RR: 44
Reply 18, posted (8 years 10 months 3 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 3829 times:

Hey once Again i want to thank Mick Bajcar for the great work in the editing of this shot it finely made it after 3 attempts thanks again Mick and thanks to all for the support.


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Cheers to you all



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User currently offlineGPHOTO From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2004, 829 posts, RR: 24
Reply 19, posted (8 years 10 months 3 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 3820 times:
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Thats much better, a real good shot that one. Well done to all involved  Smile.

Best regards,

Jim



Erm, is this thing on?
User currently offlineViv From Ireland, joined May 2005, 3142 posts, RR: 28
Reply 20, posted (8 years 10 months 3 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 3813 times:

That is a beautiful shot! The slight softness is more a depth of field problem than anything else. I'm guessing you went for a relatively fast shutter speed, thus giving a relatively large aperture.

Large aperture = small depth of field.

I don't think it can be fixed to satisfy the exigencies of A.net.

If it was mine, I would enlarge to A3 size and frame it. It really is a great shot. (Funnily, I have photographed that same aircraft several times - it is a regular visitor to ELLX).



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User currently offlineFergulmcc From Ireland, joined Oct 2004, 1916 posts, RR: 52
Reply 21, posted (8 years 10 months 3 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 3783 times:

Quoting Viv (Reply 20):
If it was mine, I would enlarge to A3 size and frame it. It really is a great shot

You got that right, dam nice shot to be enlarged!!

Mick how did you get that shot looking so nice, what's the secret mate, tell me more  bouncy 

Well done Alan!!

Fergul  sun 



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User currently offlineDendrobatid From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2004, 1668 posts, RR: 61
Reply 22, posted (8 years 10 months 3 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 3772 times:
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Quoting Fergulmcc (Reply 21):
Mick how did you get that shot looking so nice, what's the secret mate, tell me more

There is no doubt about it that the extreme of the nose is a touch soft, due as said by others to the depth of field and this was worsened by the tight crop. The tight crop looked as good a composition to my eye, just different to the way it ended up. By cropping less the softness of the nose is already less of a problem.
I then opened the image in the lightness channel in LAB mode which gives a black and white image. The contrast of this image was a bit low so I boosted it using levels. A more contrasty image always gives the illusion of being sharper. However a more contrasty image also responds better to sharpening. It is also possible to sharpen a touch more without jaggies in LAB mode than in RGB. I then selected the sky using the magic wand, selected the inverse and sharpened using smart sharpen, I think 140% at 0.3 and tweaked it to get the best sharpness without jaggies. As pointed out by others, they are there around the letters on Atlas, but only just. I tried a bit of selective sharpening around the outline of the nose but immediately jaggies appeared so that was as far as it would go.
The image was then converted back to RGB and the levels tweaked as it had gone a touch dark due to the increase in contrast.
So pleased for Alan that it made it. It is a lovely photograph.
Mick Bajcar


User currently offlineJumboJim747 From Australia, joined Oct 2004, 2464 posts, RR: 44
Reply 23, posted (8 years 10 months 3 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 3742 times:

Quoting GPHOTO (Reply 19):
that's much better, a real good shot that one



Quoting Viv (Reply 20):
It really is a great shot.



Quoting Fergulmcc (Reply 21):
You got that right, dam nice shot to be enlarged!!



Quoting Dendrobatid (Reply 22):
So pleased for Alan that it made it. It is a lovely photograph

Guys thanks a lot for the compliments i could not have done it without you all really appreciate it.
Cheers.



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User currently offlineCallMeCapt From Australia, joined Jan 2005, 496 posts, RR: 7
Reply 24, posted (8 years 10 months 3 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 3721 times:

Damn Alan
What a photo!!!!
Makes my new addition look like amateur hour

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Photo © Goran Matovina




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25 Post contains images Jhribar : Jim, that shot is a real nice one! I'm very fond of this sort of nose close ups. Keep those pics coming
26 JumboJim747 : Jeroen Thank you for the comment appreciated i also like this motive a lot. Goran nothing amateur hour about your pic its a great shot . See you aroun
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