GPHOTO From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2004, 840 posts, RR: 21 Posted (10 years 6 months 4 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 2947 times:
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I am going on a trip to see the Northern Lights by plane in a few weeks. As my Panasonic FZ20 will not cut the mustard with low light shots, I took the plunge and purchased a Canon EOS 350D, it arrived today. I had planned to get one early 2006, but moved the timescale forward. This is my first experience of DSLR and I only have the kit lens so far. With little time left to learn, can anyone give me any pointers on how to use the above setup to capture the Aurora (if any is to be seen) from the aircraft window? Any help appreciated!
Flyfisher1976 From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 804 posts, RR: 2
Reply 1, posted (10 years 6 months 4 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 2925 times:
I'd imagine this would be pretty tough to pull off...even for a seasoned photographer. You will be shooting in low light (at night) so you will have to shoot at a very high iso to get the best possible shutter speed. Even then, your image is going to be very noisy. Any little turbulence will probably cause a completely blurred shot. Can you get the camera on a tripod..or are you surrounded by seats? Is there any open space where you could set up a tripod next to a window?
While the images you might capture might be great for your personal collection, you might have trouble getting them accepted here. Especially with limited DSLR experience.
Mrk25 From United Kingdom, joined May 2005, 225 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (10 years 6 months 4 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 2911 times:
Sounds like a wonderful photo opportunity. I'm not sure how noticeable it would be but the 350D has considerable noise @ ISO 400, I have had several attempts at aircraft in low light and binned all of the shots due to noise. However I took some firework shots at the weekend and they are o.k.
Hopefully some of the more experienced photogs will be able to give more specific camera setup, I don't fall into that category.
Dendrobatid From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2004, 1732 posts, RR: 54
Reply 3, posted (10 years 6 months 4 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 2910 times:
Quoting Flyfisher1976 (Reply 1): Can you get the camera on a tripod..or are you surrounded by seats?
I think that in the unlikely event that you can use a tripod it would be a waste of time, and possibly even counter productive. The idea of a tripod is to stabilise the camera and subject position and when one is moving relative to the other that is not likely to help at all. I also think that the vibration of the aircraft is likely to be transferred through the tripod.
I saw the Aurora once and it was not stationary, it was constantly changing too.
Jim, enjoy the ride, it sounds great, but don't expect many good photos.
Of course, if you don't try, you will always wonder
I don't think a tripod will do you any good as the aircraft has to move forward to stay up in the air which will result in very blurry images.
Not to mention the vibration and possible turbulence.
The best option of course is to put the damn thing down on the ground where a tripod would be great.
Given the conditions you will be facing the only thing you can do is a high ISO and wide aperture setting to get an exposure time you can work with.
A quality lens would be very welcome in this scenario, something stabilized even more.
Your camera has an EFs mount so the 17-85is although not the best thingy around will be a great help.
Good luck though,
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Staffan From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (10 years 6 months 4 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 2837 times:
I shot the aurora borealis a few weeks back and I needed times between 30 secs and a minute at ISO 400 with the lens at f/2.8 to get good exposures, though the aurora wasn't very intense and unless it is, I don't think handholding is an option. A tripod is probably your best shot since the aurora moves and is quite far away anyway so the aircraft moving forward probably won't matter.
Hope everything goes well and that you'll get a nice display!
Fergulmcc From Ireland, joined Oct 2004, 1916 posts, RR: 51
Reply 7, posted (10 years 6 months 4 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 2827 times:
Quoting Flyfisher1976 (Reply 4): Unless you are on a small prop...I don't think this will be a factor...could be wrong.
Quoting Flyfisher1976 (Reply 4): If a tripod could be used, it would negate the user induced shaking of the camera. Given a stretch of nice smooth air, you might just be able to sneak in a good shot. Just a suggestion.
Sorry Fly, not taking the micky here but it is funny. A tripod is useless on an aircraft, the shutter speed would have to be high to avoid any blur but then there is no need to have a tripod if the shutter speed is high enough. You can get what is called, I think, building shake. This is when you have a tripod on a tall building and take a long exposure but the photo still ends up blured, that is because the building is moving/swaying.
My advice would be to open you apreture as wide as it will go, set a High ISO and see what happens.
Eadster From Australia, joined Jan 2005, 2216 posts, RR: 13
Reply 8, posted (10 years 6 months 4 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 2824 times:
I recently took a pic of the Aurora Australis here recently and I used a time exposure of around 5 mins. The show we had here was a bit duller than usual.
Having said that, I doubt that you would have any luck on board an aircraft, unless the show was very very bright. I have seen one or two pics in the DB that people have pulled off and they look fantastic.
Seeing that you have only just purchased a DSLR, I personally think you may be "learning to walk before you can crawl" so to speak. But by all means give it a go and let us know how you go. I'd like to see the pics.
Yes Staffan, But you are photographing what is inside the plane so therefore the tripod will move relative the the a/c, Jim is photographing out of the plane, therefore a tripod would be useless, Big difference!!!
Staffan From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (10 years 6 months 4 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 2805 times:
Quoting Fergulmcc (Reply 10): Yes Staffan, But you are photographing what is inside the plane so therefore the tripod will move relative the the a/c, Jim is photographing out of the plane, therefore a tripod would be useless, Big difference!!!
The aurora moves anyway so even shooting it from the ground it will appear blurry during a long exposure. With a tripod, you can get a nice sharp shot of the wing with the aurora in the background (which will be blurry, just as it would be if it was shot from the ground).