Sponsor Message:
Aviation Photography Forum
My Starred Topics | Profile | New Topic | Forum Index | Help | Search 
Cant Understand The Rejection Politics  
User currently offlineUlvar From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (13 years 4 months 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 1700 times:

Cant understand the rejection politics

I have followed this discussion forum for a long time as it gives you many great tips
and ides for how to improve your self regarding aircraft photographing. During this time I
have read allot of posting regarding rejections of photos most of the time the subject
to why it was rejected is clearly understand and sometimes not.

Allot of people is spending countless of hours trying to get everything right and still
gets rejected due to ex: grain,dark,unsharp or you might try to sharpen the door handle 1mm x 1mm
it looks a little odd... and if your real lucky you can even get it thru without do anything.

Let me show one example of a new upload that made it thru:


Click for large version
Click here for full size photo!

Photo © Scandpix



Don't take this wrong, I like all kinds of airline pictures including this one and i have nothing against the photographer.

And here is one that did not:

http://www.airliners.net/discussions/aviation_photography/read.main/20443/

And there is lot of other great photos that didn't, just look in some of the postings. With all this
new high quality standard how can it be that someone can post a lot of low quality photos
and others cant even post one that's looks nearly perfect regarding grains,sharpness,lights,angle.

Beats me.....and I will never understand it either, until there is new guidelines for uploads or an
statement from the staff or the screeners.

Kind regards

Andreas

31 replies: All unread, showing first 25:
 
User currently offlineJwenting From Netherlands, joined Apr 2001, 10213 posts, RR: 19
Reply 1, posted (13 years 4 months 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 1503 times:

Rejection or acceptance of pictures depends in part on personal preference of the people doing the screening. So if someone does not like your photo for some reason he may reject it even though it is really good enough on technical reasons (maybe he will unconsciously be too harsh somewhere and judge that minute colourcast as being too much). This is only human.
Then there is the major factor of hardware. What looks good on my screen may look quite different on yours, depending on the screens we are using and the way they are set up (brightness, contrast, colour-rendition, lighting of the room, your position (distance, angle) relative to the screen) as well as our eyes (my eyes may not be as good as yours, causing me not to see some small detail or maybe you are slightly colourblind so you fail to see a discolouration that I do).



I wish I were flying
User currently offlineBruce From United States of America, joined May 1999, 5066 posts, RR: 15
Reply 2, posted (13 years 4 months 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 1477 times:

I know what you mean. I uploaded recently a pic of a DL 727 at the moment of rotation. Great shot at just the right time! I didn't hear from the screeners like I did on the other ones..so maybe that one has a hair of a chance.


Bruce



Bruce Leibowitz - Jackson, MS (KJAN) - Canon 50D/100-400L IS lens
User currently offlineSH@VIE From Austria, joined Mar 2001, 38 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (13 years 4 months 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 1457 times:

1) Personally I think that there shouldn't be "personal preferences of the people doing the screening". In my opinion it is quite important to have an clear guideline.

2) I don't know why some very grainy pictures are accepted and others which look perfect not...
I tried to upload a photo, 1st time it was rejected because it was not sharp enough, 2nd it was to grainy. So I (sometimes) don't understand the upload politics, too.

But I hope that I can improve my work and get a picture accepted  Smile

-stephan-


User currently offlineBlackened From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (13 years 4 months 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 1435 times:

Are we allowed to post "bad" pictures from the db here?
I wonder how certain pictures made it to the db very often but usually we don't bash those pictures in the forums. It's Johan site and he decides if he wants to add pictures or not. I'm sure any official of this site will defend the upload policy at any rate so it's more or less useless to say anything against it.


User currently offlineUlvar From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (13 years 4 months 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 1428 times:

I have never said that there is any bad photos in the DB just that there is a difference in quality with some newly accepted shots, and this one is an example to clarify it.

Regards

Andreas




User currently offlineWestern727 From United States of America, joined Jan 2007, 751 posts, RR: 4
Reply 6, posted (13 years 4 months 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 1426 times:

I have never said that there is any bad photos in the db...


Well, I will. I've noticed for a long time that there are a lot of photos in the DB that just don't deserve to be there. They have horrible lighting, grain, composition, and they are repeats - 10 of the same picture right in a row.

Ulvar, that picture of the Air Canada A330 (it was an A330, wasn't it?) was better than 75% of the photos in the DB. The lighting was great, the composition very dramatic, and it was nice and sharp. I think that you have a lot of artistic talent, so don't let a few rejections get you down.



Jack @ AUS
User currently offlineJwenting From Netherlands, joined Apr 2001, 10213 posts, RR: 19
Reply 7, posted (13 years 4 months 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 1406 times:

there are a lot of shots in the db that would not make it now under normal conditions.
Some are old, and would be rejected now. Some are rarities and make it because of that.
for example
Click for large version
Click here for full size photo!

Photo © J.T. Wenting

which is an aircraft no longer in operation in a livery no longer there of which there is no other shot (neither the aircraft nor the livery).



I wish I were flying
User currently offlineB757300 From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 4114 posts, RR: 22
Reply 8, posted (13 years 4 months 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 1411 times:

Blackened, I wouldn't include any photos from the database and then criticize them. I've seen people have their username deleted for doing that. Even though I would love to ask why certain photos are accepted even though their quality sucks, I'm not going to give Johan a good reason to delete my username for the 3rd time. (I'm not talking about old or special photos, I'm talking about new ones that seem to get through no matter what but if I uploaded the same picture, I would be rejected ASAP.)


"There is no victory at bargain basement prices."
User currently offlineJwenting From Netherlands, joined Apr 2001, 10213 posts, RR: 19
Reply 9, posted (13 years 4 months 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 1371 times:

That happens, especially with the travellist. These people get little or no screening and some get careless once in a while. I hope Johan takes note of that and adjusts the travellist if such thing happen more often.


I wish I were flying
User currently offlineScreener4 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (13 years 4 months 2 days ago) and read 1365 times:

I'm sure this must be a cause for concern. The pictures on the travel list do not get vetted by us, but go straight for Johan to look at. I would say that in general, the vast majority of the photos submitted by people on the travel list are of high enough quality to be added, but I am sure the odd shot slips through that should probably be rejected.

I would also say that in general, there are a lot of borderline shots that are very difficult to judge. Until I became a screener I never realised what a difficult job Johan has. At least if I'm not sure whether to accept or reject, I get to pass the buck to him. But then again, as we have said before, this site is his baby, so he gets the final say. I don't envy him that final say, though.

And stuff on the travel list *does* get rejected, because I still get rejections. Being on the list is not carte blanche to submit whatever you like...

S4


User currently offlineUlvar From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (13 years 4 months 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 1328 times:

Thank you for taking the time to answer  Smile

Kind regards

Andreas


User currently offlineJwenting From Netherlands, joined Apr 2001, 10213 posts, RR: 19
Reply 12, posted (13 years 4 months 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 1326 times:

Never said the travellist does not get rejections, only that the chances of the odd bad apple getting by are greater because of the less stringent screening.
Some people may abuse this or get careless when preparing uploads when they have 100+ shots from the day and it is already 10PM. Don't say it happens, but the potential is there.



I wish I were flying
User currently offlineZander From Sweden, joined Feb 2000, 610 posts, RR: 4
Reply 13, posted (13 years 4 months 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 1312 times:

Andreas,
I have now almost 1000 photos here at airliners.net and I think it's very difficult anyway to get photos accepted,
I still get quite many rejections.
That SAS-photo you showed in the top isn't of the best quality maybe, but I am very glad it went through even if you don't seem to like it.
It was SAS' first flight from its new destination (Washington) so maybe that's why it went through.
I know there are a lot of photos which have a even worse quality than my SAS-photo, but that's life.
I won't get up having more photos added because of that.

Alex
Scandpix


User currently offlineCfalk From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (13 years 4 months 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 1313 times:

I know I'm on the travel list, but I still get rejections sometimes. They especially come when I get complacent  Wink/being sarcastic.

Charles


User currently offlineUlvar From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (13 years 4 months 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 1306 times:

Oh no Alex ... that's not what I meant, as I wrote in my first posting, I do like this picture as most of what`s in the DB. Id just wanted to know what's makes some goes thru and others don't, so keep em coming (the pictures)  Smile

hmm I might need to improve my englih as it seams so many of you gets me wrong  Sad

Kind regards

Andreas

PS ! I am in no position to criticises any of the pictures in the DB as 99% of them is of a higher quality than my




User currently offlineZander From Sweden, joined Feb 2000, 610 posts, RR: 4
Reply 16, posted (13 years 4 months 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 1309 times:

Andreas,
It's no problem, I already understood what you meant from the beginning but I was quite surprised to see one of my photos being discussed here. That's why I had to write something to see how you react ; )

Alex
Scandpix


User currently offlineDa fwog From United Kingdom, joined Aug 1999, 867 posts, RR: 8
Reply 17, posted (13 years 4 months 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 1281 times:

I think all of us (including those like myself who are on the travel list) have probably had pictures rejected that are better than some we see added. It's a fact of life. And it's really annoying when it happens to you!

The only difference is that after a long time of uploading photos, and having lots in the database, I am now a lot more relaxed about it. That didn't stop me getting upset when some flightdeck shots I managed to get earlier in the year were rejected, but there's nothing I can do about it. Apart from always striving to improve my photos, and learn from my mistakes.

And I now have a different attitude to when I first started. Back then, I just wanted to get lots of my photos in the database. Now I get a kick out of adding the best photographs I possibly can. If for every few photos I add I get a handful of emails from people who like them enough to bother writing to tell me, then I know I have done a good job.

Chris.


User currently offlineBlackened From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (13 years 3 months 4 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 1265 times:

Great attitude Chris and your pictures really reflect this. But some on the travel list still seem to have an attitude like you had when you started. This is not necessarily bad as long as the pictures are good quality but sometimes they aren't. I know Johan wouldn't like to hear this but I sometimes feel as if certain people who upload very many pictures get pictures added which would surely be rejected if there was another name on them (no comment needed cause I know it's hard to be 100% objective and you're doing a great job - otherwise we wouldn't spend hours watching the pics  Smile). Sometimes I'm dead sure but sometimes it's Ok cause we get to see some unusual, experimental pictures. I can remember I saw some baggage mountain from the ground to the ceiling in a building as a picture of the db. I guess it was a well known photographer but there was not even an aircraft visible. That was a bit odd in my eyes.

User currently offlineB757300 From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 4114 posts, RR: 22
Reply 19, posted (13 years 3 months 4 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 1264 times:

There is another photo in the database that is nothing more than a giant dust cloud. You can't even see the aircraft but it was still accepted. A thread was started about it once but both its creator and the thread itself were deleted.


"There is no victory at bargain basement prices."
User currently offlinePlaneboy From India, joined May 2005, 199 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (13 years 3 months 4 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 1261 times:

I think Johan has shown that he understands and allows a few lower quality photos into the database from lower quality photographers. Not to say that he plays favorites with anyone - as many complain about with the "travel list". I have seen many photos here, and a few by some of the "greatest" on this site still have some marginal photos "slip by". I would NEVER point to a photo in this forum and say "How did this one make it in?" Simply because, I have quite a few that should maybe not be here.

However, a better camera has recently become avaiable to me. And I can't wait to try it out on some flying machines....


User currently offlineGlenn From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2005, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (13 years 3 months 4 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 1246 times:

What you mean this one


Click for large version
Click here for full size photo!

Photo © Glenn Alderton



To date there are 574 hits on this photo. That makes it a couple of hundred people interested enough to look at it> I think it speaks for itself.

But here you go, here's the aircraft to make you happy  Smile/happy/getting dizzy


Click for large version
Click here for full size photo!

Photo © Glenn Alderton

Psst you can get a full page copy of this if you buy the currect copy of Pacific wings

Maybe this one could be bought under revue too as the image size is too small


Click for large version
Click here for full size photo!

Photo © Glenn Alderton



It has only 200 odd hits, no where near as popular.

Maybe I should stay with these photos


Click for large version
Click here for full size photo!

Photo © Glenn Alderton



At least 49 people have fallen over themselves to see this photo but I guerss it meat the criteria 100 % so we'll stick with photos that people don't want to see ??


 Smile/happy/getting dizzy


User currently offlineTurbolet From Cape Verde, joined Nov 2007, 0 posts, RR: 1
Reply 22, posted (13 years 3 months 4 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 1238 times:

Well face it, that cloud does not show an aircraft so it's not an airliner photograph! And the fact that the aircraft is on the second photo is no excuse.
Just my two cents,
-turbolet


User currently offlineGlenn From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2005, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (13 years 3 months 4 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 1229 times:

oh well, I guess you wouldn't be the 1 out of 500 to download it then.

That's your decision but why tell other people what they can and can't download.

Go with the flow


User currently offlineJan Mogren From Sweden, joined Dec 2000, 2043 posts, RR: 50
Reply 24, posted (13 years 3 months 4 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 1226 times:

It might also be that they are wondering where the h*** is the aircraft? It sure can't be seen on the thumbnail.
/JM



AeroPresentation - Airline DVD's filmed in High Definition
25 Post contains links and images ADG : Wow .. another whinging thread and there is B757300 smack bang in the middle of it .. why doesn't that surprise me? If you don't like this site, then
26 PUnmuth@VIE : Very well and to the point ADG! Congratulations Peter
27 B757300 : Funny, I never insulted anyone and yet ADG has to act like a little kid and insult me.
28 Cicadajet : While its clear that over time we have seen at least a few good images that have been rejected...a couple clearly on artistic disagreement..it has bee
29 Post contains images Blackened : Jan Mogren might be right. One thing I've noticed is that strange pics get a lot of hits just because of what is written in the comment. Sometimes I f
30 Cicadajet : While I think the criteria for accpetance is a reasonable topic, regrettably it does lend itself to unreasonable tones here. I know its disappointing
31 Post contains images Turbolet : Well, now that screeners have been introduced, I have yet another suggestion of improving the acceptance/rejection criteria. The problem now is that o
Top Of Page
Forum Index

This topic is archived and can not be replied to any more.

Printer friendly format

Similar topics:More similar topics...
What Happened To The Rejection Page posted Fri Jun 13 2003 08:11:33 by Bruce
Help With The Rejection posted Wed Jun 4 2003 14:11:17 by An-225
Dirty Rejection, But Where's The Dust? posted Fri Apr 27 2007 05:41:03 by Paparadzi
The A.net Rejection Syndrome posted Tue Mar 20 2007 18:28:06 by Deaphen
Will It Get The Dreaded "Motive" Rejection? posted Mon Nov 13 2006 07:43:59 by Cosec59
Info Rejection - Can't See The Problem posted Tue Sep 12 2006 22:17:53 by Norfolkjohn
"People" Rejection.... Where Are The People? posted Tue Jul 25 2006 00:36:02 by PipoA380
Dirty Rejection - Can't Find The Dust Spot posted Tue Jun 20 2006 21:29:06 by Parsival
"editing" The Dreaded Rejection... posted Fri Apr 14 2006 22:26:57 by Eksath
I'd Like To Understand This Motive Rejection posted Thu Apr 6 2006 02:26:17 by Edoca