Ulvar From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Posted (12 years 4 months 1 week 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 1552 times:
Cant understand the rejection politics
I have followed this discussion forum for a long time as it gives you many great tips
and ides for how to improve your self regarding aircraft photographing. During this time I
have read allot of posting regarding rejections of photos most of the time the subject
to why it was rejected is clearly understand and sometimes not.
Allot of people is spending countless of hours trying to get everything right and still
gets rejected due to ex: grain,dark,unsharp or you might try to sharpen the door handle 1mm x 1mm
it looks a little odd... and if your real lucky you can even get it thru without do anything.
Let me show one example of a new upload that made it thru:
And there is lot of other great photos that didn't, just look in some of the postings. With all this
new high quality standard how can it be that someone can post a lot of low quality photos
and others cant even post one that's looks nearly perfect regarding grains,sharpness,lights,angle.
Beats me.....and I will never understand it either, until there is new guidelines for uploads or an
statement from the staff or the screeners.
Jwenting From Netherlands, joined Apr 2001, 10213 posts, RR: 20 Reply 1, posted (12 years 4 months 1 week 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 1355 times:
Rejection or acceptance of pictures depends in part on personal preference of the people doing the screening. So if someone does not like your photo for some reason he may reject it even though it is really good enough on technical reasons (maybe he will unconsciously be too harsh somewhere and judge that minute colourcast as being too much). This is only human.
Then there is the major factor of hardware. What looks good on my screen may look quite different on yours, depending on the screens we are using and the way they are set up (brightness, contrast, colour-rendition, lighting of the room, your position (distance, angle) relative to the screen) as well as our eyes (my eyes may not be as good as yours, causing me not to see some small detail or maybe you are slightly colourblind so you fail to see a discolouration that I do).
Bruce From United States of America, joined May 1999, 5034 posts, RR: 17 Reply 2, posted (12 years 4 months 1 week 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 1329 times:
I know what you mean. I uploaded recently a pic of a DL 727 at the moment of rotation. Great shot at just the right time! I didn't hear from the screeners like I did on the other ones..so maybe that one has a hair of a chance.
Bruce Leibowitz - Jackson, MS (KJAN) - Canon 50D/100-400L IS lens
SH@VIE From Austria, joined Mar 2001, 38 posts, RR: 0 Reply 3, posted (12 years 4 months 1 week 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 1309 times:
1) Personally I think that there shouldn't be "personal preferences of the people doing the screening". In my opinion it is quite important to have an clear guideline.
2) I don't know why some very grainy pictures are accepted and others which look perfect not...
I tried to upload a photo, 1st time it was rejected because it was not sharp enough, 2nd it was to grainy. So I (sometimes) don't understand the upload politics, too.
But I hope that I can improve my work and get a picture accepted
Blackened From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 4, posted (12 years 4 months 1 week 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 1287 times:
Are we allowed to post "bad" pictures from the db here?
I wonder how certain pictures made it to the db very often but usually we don't bash those pictures in the forums. It's Johan site and he decides if he wants to add pictures or not. I'm sure any official of this site will defend the upload policy at any rate so it's more or less useless to say anything against it.
Western727 From United States of America, joined Jan 2007, 643 posts, RR: 4 Reply 6, posted (12 years 4 months 1 week 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 1278 times:
I have never said that there is any bad photos in the db...
Well, I will. I've noticed for a long time that there are a lot of photos in the DB that just don't deserve to be there. They have horrible lighting, grain, composition, and they are repeats - 10 of the same picture right in a row.
Ulvar, that picture of the Air Canada A330 (it was an A330, wasn't it?) was better than 75% of the photos in the DB. The lighting was great, the composition very dramatic, and it was nice and sharp. I think that you have a lot of artistic talent, so don't let a few rejections get you down.
B757300 From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 4114 posts, RR: 24 Reply 8, posted (12 years 4 months 1 week 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 1263 times:
Blackened, I wouldn't include any photos from the database and then criticize them. I've seen people have their username deleted for doing that. Even though I would love to ask why certain photos are accepted even though their quality sucks, I'm not going to give Johan a good reason to delete my username for the 3rd time. (I'm not talking about old or special photos, I'm talking about new ones that seem to get through no matter what but if I uploaded the same picture, I would be rejected ASAP.)
Jwenting From Netherlands, joined Apr 2001, 10213 posts, RR: 20 Reply 9, posted (12 years 4 months 1 week 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 1223 times:
That happens, especially with the travellist. These people get little or no screening and some get careless once in a while. I hope Johan takes note of that and adjusts the travellist if such thing happen more often.
Screener4 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 10, posted (12 years 4 months 1 week 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 1217 times:
I'm sure this must be a cause for concern. The pictures on the travel list do not get vetted by us, but go straight for Johan to look at. I would say that in general, the vast majority of the photos submitted by people on the travel list are of high enough quality to be added, but I am sure the odd shot slips through that should probably be rejected.
I would also say that in general, there are a lot of borderline shots that are very difficult to judge. Until I became a screener I never realised what a difficult job Johan has. At least if I'm not sure whether to accept or reject, I get to pass the buck to him. But then again, as we have said before, this site is his baby, so he gets the final say. I don't envy him that final say, though.
And stuff on the travel list *does* get rejected, because I still get rejections. Being on the list is not carte blanche to submit whatever you like...
Jwenting From Netherlands, joined Apr 2001, 10213 posts, RR: 20 Reply 12, posted (12 years 4 months 1 week 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 1178 times:
Never said the travellist does not get rejections, only that the chances of the odd bad apple getting by are greater because of the less stringent screening.
Some people may abuse this or get careless when preparing uploads when they have 100+ shots from the day and it is already 10PM. Don't say it happens, but the potential is there.
Zander From Sweden, joined Feb 2000, 610 posts, RR: 5 Reply 13, posted (12 years 4 months 1 week 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 1164 times:
I have now almost 1000 photos here at airliners.net and I think it's very difficult anyway to get photos accepted,
I still get quite many rejections.
That SAS-photo you showed in the top isn't of the best quality maybe, but I am very glad it went through even if you don't seem to like it.
It was SAS' first flight from its new destination (Washington) so maybe that's why it went through.
I know there are a lot of photos which have a even worse quality than my SAS-photo, but that's life.
I won't get up having more photos added because of that.
Ulvar From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 15, posted (12 years 4 months 1 week 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 1158 times:
Oh no Alex ... that's not what I meant, as I wrote in my first posting, I do like this picture as most of what`s in the DB. Id just wanted to know what's makes some goes thru and others don't, so keep em coming (the pictures)
hmm I might need to improve my englih as it seams so many of you gets me wrong
PS ! I am in no position to criticises any of the pictures in the DB as 99% of them is of a higher quality than my
Zander From Sweden, joined Feb 2000, 610 posts, RR: 5 Reply 16, posted (12 years 4 months 1 week 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 1161 times:
It's no problem, I already understood what you meant from the beginning but I was quite surprised to see one of my photos being discussed here. That's why I had to write something to see how you react ; )
Da fwog From United Kingdom, joined Aug 1999, 867 posts, RR: 9 Reply 17, posted (12 years 4 months 1 week 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 1133 times:
I think all of us (including those like myself who are on the travel list) have probably had pictures rejected that are better than some we see added. It's a fact of life. And it's really annoying when it happens to you!
The only difference is that after a long time of uploading photos, and having lots in the database, I am now a lot more relaxed about it. That didn't stop me getting upset when some flightdeck shots I managed to get earlier in the year were rejected, but there's nothing I can do about it. Apart from always striving to improve my photos, and learn from my mistakes.
And I now have a different attitude to when I first started. Back then, I just wanted to get lots of my photos in the database. Now I get a kick out of adding the best photographs I possibly can. If for every few photos I add I get a handful of emails from people who like them enough to bother writing to tell me, then I know I have done a good job.
Blackened From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 18, posted (12 years 4 months 1 week 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 1117 times:
Great attitude Chris and your pictures really reflect this. But some on the travel list still seem to have an attitude like you had when you started. This is not necessarily bad as long as the pictures are good quality but sometimes they aren't. I know Johan wouldn't like to hear this but I sometimes feel as if certain people who upload very many pictures get pictures added which would surely be rejected if there was another name on them (no comment needed cause I know it's hard to be 100% objective and you're doing a great job - otherwise we wouldn't spend hours watching the pics ). Sometimes I'm dead sure but sometimes it's Ok cause we get to see some unusual, experimental pictures. I can remember I saw some baggage mountain from the ground to the ceiling in a building as a picture of the db. I guess it was a well known photographer but there was not even an aircraft visible. That was a bit odd in my eyes.
B757300 From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 4114 posts, RR: 24 Reply 19, posted (12 years 4 months 1 week 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 1116 times:
There is another photo in the database that is nothing more than a giant dust cloud. You can't even see the aircraft but it was still accepted. A thread was started about it once but both its creator and the thread itself were deleted.
Planeboy From India, joined May 2005, 199 posts, RR: 1 Reply 20, posted (12 years 4 months 1 week 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 1113 times:
I think Johan has shown that he understands and allows a few lower quality photos into the database from lower quality photographers. Not to say that he plays favorites with anyone - as many complain about with the "travel list". I have seen many photos here, and a few by some of the "greatest" on this site still have some marginal photos "slip by". I would NEVER point to a photo in this forum and say "How did this one make it in?" Simply because, I have quite a few that should maybe not be here.
However, a better camera has recently become avaiable to me. And I can't wait to try it out on some flying machines....