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User currently offlinePipoA380 From Switzerland, joined May 2005, 1594 posts, RR: 51
Posted (8 years 8 months 1 week 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 1971 times:
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Hi. I had this one previously rejected, for NAO angle. OK, it was true, but now, I really don't get it. There are number of lightpoles and buildings in the background that show me that this picture is level. The ground seems slopy, but the background is perfectly straight!

What am I getting wrong here?
http://www.airliners.net/addphotos/rejections/big/41-tcska-ams-1105-2.jpg

Here's what I used to make it angled out:
http://www.airplane-photos.com/41-tcska-ams-1105-2lines.jpg

Thanks I appreciate your help...


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User currently offlineSulman From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 2035 posts, RR: 32
Reply 1, posted (8 years 8 months 1 week 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 1959 times:

Phillipe,

Strange. However, take a look at the building on the right of the frame. The verticals definitely aren't, er, vertical.

Perhaps those lightpoles are wonky?

James



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User currently offlinePipoA380 From Switzerland, joined May 2005, 1594 posts, RR: 51
Reply 2, posted (8 years 8 months 1 week 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 1939 times:
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Thanks James,

What should I do now?

Any screener care to have a look? Thanks

Philippe



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User currently offlineJkw777 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (8 years 8 months 1 week 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 1932 times:

I found my shots from here really tricky to edit too Phil.

James is right, none of the verticals are actually verticals. The light poles aren't "straight" at that location, it just makes it 10 times worse!

Don't bang your head against the wall too much.

Cheers,
Justin  Wink


User currently offlinePipoA380 From Switzerland, joined May 2005, 1594 posts, RR: 51
Reply 4, posted (8 years 8 months 1 week 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 1917 times:
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Quoting Jkw777 (Reply 3):
Don't bang your head against the wall too much.

 banghead  Like that?  Wink Too late

Thanks Justin, talk to you soon
Philippe



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User currently offlineINNflight From Austria, joined Apr 2004, 3765 posts, RR: 60
Reply 5, posted (8 years 8 months 1 week 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 1861 times:

Philippe,

By only looking at your photo, you can see it leans to the left... 0,4°cw will make it level.

Keep in mind that the photoshop level tool isn't the ultimative thing to trust, screeners don't use it either. Just because according to the measure tool a photo seems level it doesn't mean it's right, screeners judge by looking at it.

It's important to level the photo so that it LOOKS level, not that verticals seem level.

cheers,
Florian



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User currently offlineGmonney From Canada, joined Jan 2001, 2159 posts, RR: 20
Reply 6, posted (8 years 8 months 1 week 22 hours ago) and read 1805 times:

If and when you upload again, just drop a not to the screener... tell them why it was rejected and how you corrected it... it should work if you turn it like what Florian has said,

Hope that helps,

Grant



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User currently offlinePipoA380 From Switzerland, joined May 2005, 1594 posts, RR: 51
Reply 7, posted (8 years 8 months 1 week 16 hours ago) and read 1747 times:
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Quoting Gmonney (Reply 6):

Thanks, I'll try again then...



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User currently offlinePipoA380 From Switzerland, joined May 2005, 1594 posts, RR: 51
Reply 8, posted (8 years 8 months 1 week 5 hours ago) and read 1688 times:
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And another rejection!!

This time on this picture http://www.airliners.net/addphotos/rejections/big/21-ja8171-ams-1105-2.jpg
Previously rejected for NOAcenter, now for NOAquality!



[Edited 2005-11-20 11:09:41]


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User currently offlineG-CIVP From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2001, 1314 posts, RR: 10
Reply 9, posted (8 years 8 months 1 week 3 hours ago) and read 1654 times:

Phil - with the JAL B747F, it is a slightly dull (as in lacking in contrast, good light) photo. The other photos you had on your site were much better. T.

User currently offlineSpotterke From Belgium, joined Aug 2005, 62 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (8 years 8 months 1 week 2 hours ago) and read 1633 times:
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Why do screeners look at a picture if it is level or not???Who care's !!!!!!!I look at the pictures for the planes,not for some buildings in the background.


Marc
User currently offlineIL76 From Netherlands, joined Jan 2004, 2237 posts, RR: 49
Reply 11, posted (8 years 8 months 1 week 2 hours ago) and read 1631 times:

Quoting Spotterke (Reply 10):
Who care's !!!!!!!

We care...

It's about the whole package. The picture shows an airplane and its surroundings and it should represent what it looked like when the photo was taken. For example, a control tower is not built like the tower of Pisa.

We care...

E

[Edited 2005-11-20 14:15:01]

User currently offlinePipoA380 From Switzerland, joined May 2005, 1594 posts, RR: 51
Reply 12, posted (8 years 8 months 1 week 1 hour ago) and read 1621 times:
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Quoting IL76 (Reply 11):

Agreed, but for a 0.004° error, I think it's a bit much... The left part looks level, and the right one not. I reuploaded it now with leveled to the right part. Will I get it rejected because the left part is not perfectly leveled?

There are tons of pictures on a.net that are completely unleveled. OK, the standards have improved but it's the first time I disargee with a rejection of one of my pics...



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User currently offlineIL76 From Netherlands, joined Jan 2004, 2237 posts, RR: 49
Reply 13, posted (8 years 8 months 1 week 1 hour ago) and read 1615 times:

You're still talking about the Sky shot, right?

Quoting PipoA380 (Reply 12):
but for a 0.004° error

...mmkay... Who's talking about 0.004 degrees? Read Florians post again, would you please? I'm a local AMS photographer and it's quite obvious that the picture is not level. It needs CW rotation, 0.5 I think. It actually became more clear when you drew the red lines in.
Have you tried it yet?

Eduard


User currently offlinePipoA380 From Switzerland, joined May 2005, 1594 posts, RR: 51
Reply 14, posted (8 years 8 months 1 week 1 hour ago) and read 1607 times:
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Quoting IL76 (Reply 13):
You're still talking about the Sky shot, right?

Yes

Quoting IL76 (Reply 13):
Who's talking about 0.004 degrees?

I am. 0.4° according to Florian. It's just a bit of Irony

Quoting IL76 (Reply 13):
Have you tried it yet?

Yes. Here it is.
http://www.airliners.net/addphotos/big/ready/41-tcska-ams-1105-3.jpg
Now the light poles seem to be a bit... unleveled...

Thx for your help

[Edited 2005-11-20 14:54:07]


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User currently offlineIL76 From Netherlands, joined Jan 2004, 2237 posts, RR: 49
Reply 15, posted (8 years 8 months 1 week 1 hour ago) and read 1598 times:

Lightpoles are a last resort when it comes to levelling, but don't use them if you have other references. A building is built with care, a lightpost is not. Very few poles are actually straight up. They don't need to be anyway, as long as the light is 'up there'.  

Eduard

[Edited 2005-11-20 15:27:11]

User currently offlinePipoA380 From Switzerland, joined May 2005, 1594 posts, RR: 51
Reply 16, posted (8 years 8 months 1 week ago) and read 1592 times:
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Quoting IL76 (Reply 15):
Lightpoles are a last resort when it comes to levelling,

Good thing to know isn't it  Wink

All right now? Thx Eduard

Philippe



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