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User currently offlineTappan From United States of America, joined Oct 1999, 1538 posts, RR: 41
Posted (8 years 11 months 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 5318 times:

GREAT photo! important photo, artsy photo, beautiful photo, difficullt photo, VERY unique photo (has there been one quite like this)
VALUABLE photo....
SELL it!!

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Photo © Ruben Hofs




Great job by the photographer....


Mark Garfinkel

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User currently offlineWakeTurbulence From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 1295 posts, RR: 16
Reply 1, posted (8 years 11 months 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 5279 times:

I just love that it is in the new colors. Makes it kind of ironic to me. Very nice shot though, probably once in a lifetime.
-Matt



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User currently offlineNewark777 From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 9348 posts, RR: 29
Reply 2, posted (8 years 11 months 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 5270 times:

Very cool indeed. Glad to hear everyone made it out okay.  Smile

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Harry



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User currently offlineEadster From Australia, joined Jan 2005, 2216 posts, RR: 14
Reply 3, posted (8 years 11 months 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 5262 times:

Ruben surely was in the right place at the right time with that snap!

Good to see it all worked out safely in the end.


User currently offlinePW100 From Netherlands, joined Jan 2002, 2498 posts, RR: 12
Reply 4, posted (8 years 11 months 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 4982 times:

Photo has appeared in Dutch newspaper:

http://www.telegraaf.nl/binnenland/2...tuig_keert_terug_na_steekvlam.html


Kind Regards,
PW100



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User currently offlineTappan From United States of America, joined Oct 1999, 1538 posts, RR: 41
Reply 5, posted (8 years 11 months 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 4908 times:

The newspaper did'nt even give the kid any credit Sad...
They better not give it to the wire services for free or the kid will lose out on thousands of US $....
Once again, GREAT SHOT RUBEN......
and why shouldn't he make big bucks.....nobody died , nobody injured....I am quite sure that officials would love an enlargement of this photo for training purposes or whatever....

Mark G


User currently offlineTappan From United States of America, joined Oct 1999, 1538 posts, RR: 41
Reply 6, posted (8 years 11 months 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 4904 times:

HEY ALL.......

Are we sure that they bought the photo or is it possible that they took it off a.net

Mark G


User currently offlineLGW From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (8 years 11 months 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 4892 times:

Mark,

Why no simply email the photographer direct as you would then get answers from the horses mouth and Ruben may not read the forums/be a member anyway

Cheers

Ben Pritchard


User currently offlineTappan From United States of America, joined Oct 1999, 1538 posts, RR: 41
Reply 8, posted (8 years 11 months 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 4861 times:

Hi Ben,
I have been emailing the young Ruben......
No answer...
Mark G


User currently offlineChris78cpr From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2004, 2822 posts, RR: 50
Reply 9, posted (8 years 11 months 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 4848 times:

Great shot,

And yes there has been another like it, how could you forget this shot...


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Photo © M.Oertle



Chris



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User currently offlineDRAIGONAIR From Netherlands, joined Oct 2000, 708 posts, RR: 5
Reply 10, posted (8 years 11 months 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 4785 times:

I have contact with ruben, and yes the 'telegraaf' (dutch newspaper) stole the photo...he is asking money for it i believe..

cheers!

Nick
p.s
He told me he got about 40emails in about 2 hours for this shot...Think you can imagine why some people dint get a response!!

[Edited 2005-11-23 18:49:15]


cheers
User currently offlineINNflight From Switzerland, joined Apr 2004, 3767 posts, RR: 60
Reply 11, posted (8 years 11 months 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 4772 times:

Quoting DRAIGONAIR (Reply 10):
He told me he got about 40emails in about 2 hours for this shot...

I would for sure be answering ( and charging ) all 40 of them, even if they come in half an hour.  bouncy 

What an unique photo, lucky opportunety to make some money with the exclusive photo.



Jet Visuals
User currently offlineJan Mogren From Sweden, joined Dec 2000, 2043 posts, RR: 50
Reply 12, posted (8 years 11 months 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 4763 times:

Quoting INNflight (Reply 11):
I would for sure be answering ( and charging ) all 40 of them

Hmm, pretty straight forward business idea!

/JM



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User currently offlineIL76 From Netherlands, joined Jan 2004, 2237 posts, RR: 48
Reply 13, posted (8 years 11 months 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 4757 times:

Quoting DRAIGONAIR (Reply 10):
and yes the 'telegraaf' (dutch newspaper) stole the photo

They did???  Wow! I'm going to email them now! %@^%$$*&!!!

Ed


User currently offlineJwenting From Netherlands, joined Apr 2001, 10213 posts, RR: 19
Reply 14, posted (8 years 11 months 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 4735 times:

Quoting INNflight (Reply 11):
would for sure be answering ( and charging ) all 40 of them, even if they come in half an hour.

If you were able to... Some of us have day jobs or go to school, cutting us off from their email for 10 hours or more a day.



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User currently offlineDRAIGONAIR From Netherlands, joined Oct 2000, 708 posts, RR: 5
Reply 15, posted (8 years 11 months 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 4721 times:

Ed did you get any response yet?


cheers
User currently offlineIL76 From Netherlands, joined Jan 2004, 2237 posts, RR: 48
Reply 16, posted (8 years 11 months 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 4718 times:

Quoting DRAIGONAIR (Reply 15):
Ed did you get any response yet?

No, I don't think I will until tomorrow, or I will probably not get a reply from them at all. I'm very disappointed in "De Telegraaf", unless I know only half of the story. Are you sure Ruben was not contacted for the use of the photo?

E

PS, I suggest more people should email De Telegraaf at "redactie-i@telegraaf.nl", and/or "foto@telegraaf.nl".
They seem to have a reputation of ripping people off...

[Edited 2005-11-23 20:29:09]

User currently offlineTimdeGroot From Netherlands, joined Apr 2002, 3674 posts, RR: 64
Reply 17, posted (8 years 11 months 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 4705 times:
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De telegraaf is always stealing photos, their business practices are as bad as the newspaper they put out.

Tim



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User currently offlineDRAIGONAIR From Netherlands, joined Oct 2000, 708 posts, RR: 5
Reply 18, posted (8 years 11 months 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 4680 times:

Ed,

yes im sure he didnt give permission. He is taking action but they are not responding.



cheers
User currently offlineLGW From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (8 years 11 months 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 4664 times:

Mark,

I wasn't aware you had contacted him, my apologies

Regards

Ben Pritchard


User currently offlineIL76 From Netherlands, joined Jan 2004, 2237 posts, RR: 48
Reply 20, posted (8 years 11 months 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 4647 times:

Quoting DRAIGONAIR (Reply 18):
He is taking action but they are not responding.

Hmm... I'm not surprised. I read on the forum at scramble.nl that somebody else has been trying to get money out of them for a while now about a stolen photo.
This is rediculous. I bet they think nobody will go through all the trouble to sue them, so they just don't reply. Ruben could sue their asses. But check where you stand first with a lawyer. If you win a case, doesn't the guilty party pay for the case?
Anyway, it was a headline topic. They should pay a lot for it.

E


User currently offlineTappan From United States of America, joined Oct 1999, 1538 posts, RR: 41
Reply 21, posted (8 years 11 months 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 4607 times:

I know some don't like to talk about money but......
I am in this business and it is not the money but the fact that somebody did this to this kid. That somebody is home now having a glass of wine with his wife NOT REALIZING THE PAIN he has done to Ruben. This photo needs to get the attention of magazines. The way magazines find out is by the photo in a paper. The way magazines find out about where to buy the photo is by a photo credit. He got NO photo credit.
This photo should make between 7 and $10,000.00 USD.....
This WAS NOT AN easy photo to make. I would have been STUNNED and shocked to see this. Ruben was stunned and shocked BUT still has the photo tach sharp in focus and done VERY well!!!
Shame on that newspaper!!

Mark Garfinkel


User currently offlineDehowie From Australia, joined Feb 2004, 1060 posts, RR: 33
Reply 22, posted (8 years 11 months 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 4586 times:

Maybe ANET management should get a little involved in this to help Ruben out.
Something needs to be done and soon before the dust settles on this shot and any income Ruben could have made from it.
Darren



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User currently offlineKey From Netherlands, joined Feb 2005, 99 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (8 years 11 months 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 4516 times:

For those who read Dutch, here is the part on Scramble about this matter and this is a previous story. In short:
- When phoned with questions by the photographer De Telegraaf is very friendly, promises to correct matters and invites to email or write about it.
- When this is done, the photographer is ignored completely.
- When asked by third parties, replies are given like "We assumed this was stock material (and therefor could be taken??), correct us if we're wrong." Baloney of course...

Erik



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User currently offlineJan Mogren From Sweden, joined Dec 2000, 2043 posts, RR: 50
Reply 24, posted (8 years 11 months 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 4449 times:

Try to find out if there is some sort of Photographers Association in The Netherlands. They should have some form of legal help.

We have a Bildombudsman here in Sweden that for a small fee will push it thru till they pay.  Wink Great stuff!

/JM



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25 DRAIGONAIR : Wow allot of magazines etc have asked him for the picture. Anyways ill stay in contact with him to see what he is doing and i will tell him he should
26 Post contains links and images DRAIGONAIR : Also one more thing, Ruben has asked me to leave a little message to everyone here: ""Hello all, My name is Ruben Hofs And I made the 22e of november
27 1stspotter : De Telegraaf is indeed notorious for not asking permission for publishing. The rush for an exclusive scope is bigger than the will for asking permissi
28 Post contains images Key : You can't actually start that anymore, they got numerous mails today, partly not nice at all.
29 Post contains links and images Xiphias : Telegraaf suxx, they stole this image from me and posted it online on a variety of their sites and also in the printed paper. View Large View MediumPh
30 TimdeGroot : I would hire an attorney. They cannot mount any defense. Tim
31 1stspotter : After some email exchange with a journalist finally someone at the photodesk of the Telegraaf woke up. De Telegraaf states it is doing it's best to pa
32 DC10Tim : EUR 125 does seem a small amount for the usage in the first place, let alone for the stress and inconvenience caused. This is especially true when you
33 Post contains images Xiphias : Well, I finaly heard from the paper. I can send them a bill of €200 because it was used in multiple spots, in the printed paper and for my troubles.
34 TimdeGroot : 125 euros is a slap in the face! Tim
35 INNflight : EUR 1250 would be more appropriate for stealing a photo that unique. What a ripp-off. F.
36 Airlinelover : HAHAHAHAHAHAH!!! Thanks for a laugh, I needed it.. Kid's best bet is to file a lawsuit on it.. Chris
37 Martin21 : First of all, "the telegraaf" is the biggest news paper in Holland. So I am very disappointed that the steal pictures while they have money enough. Th
38 Tappan : TELL THEM that you will report them to World Press Photo and then see what they do.... Mark Garfinkel
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