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User currently offlinePaulianer From Germany, joined Jul 2002, 875 posts, RR: 13
Posted (8 years 7 months 3 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 6377 times:

Hi guys,

just got a call from an agency, they want to use one of my photos for a major commercial campaign for a major european airline.

The want it on an exclusive basis with all usage right... the want to print adds in magazines, newspapers and even some "blow ups" or something like.

Any idea what to ask for?

Your help is really appreciated on this, they want a feedback till tomorrrow.

Thank you
Tobi


Tobias Rose - Hamburg (HAM/EDDH) & (XFW/EDHI) - Canon EOS D60 - ICQ: 235621277 - MSN: Tobias.Rose@gmx.de
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User currently offlineClickhappy From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 9603 posts, RR: 69
Reply 1, posted (8 years 7 months 3 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 6344 times:
AIRLINERS.NET CREW
PHOTO SCREENER

If you are giving up all rights, and it is a major campaign, I would be looking for something in the 500-1000 Euro range, depending on how unique the shot is (IE can they get the same thing from someone else cheaper).

User currently offlineINNflight From Austria, joined Apr 2004, 3765 posts, RR: 60
Reply 2, posted (8 years 7 months 3 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 6337 times:

Quoting Paulianer (Thread starter):
major european airline.

Any chance we're talking about Swiss Air Lines (respectively Swiss World Cargo) here?

cheers,
Florian



Jet Visuals
User currently offlinePaulianer From Germany, joined Jul 2002, 875 posts, RR: 13
Reply 3, posted (8 years 7 months 3 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 6330 times:

yes Florian, you're right

Seems that the agency is bases in Hamburg, so its local business for me  Wink



Tobias Rose - Hamburg (HAM/EDDH) & (XFW/EDHI) - Canon EOS D60 - ICQ: 235621277 - MSN: Tobias.Rose@gmx.de
User currently offlineINNflight From Austria, joined Apr 2004, 3765 posts, RR: 60
Reply 4, posted (8 years 7 months 3 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 6326 times:

Quoting Paulianer (Reply 3):
yes Florian, you're right

Seems that the agency is bases in Hamburg, so its local business for me

Seems that they contact Austrian photographers too, so we'll see if the local gets it.  Wink

Check your mailbox!



Jet Visuals
User currently offlineClickhappy From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 9603 posts, RR: 69
Reply 5, posted (8 years 7 months 3 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 6318 times:
AIRLINERS.NET CREW
PHOTO SCREENER

Well if they are contacting several photogs your chances of getting a decent pay day are slim. Seems some people like to give their shots away, all for the thrill of "seeing their name in print."

Makes me want to throw up.


User currently offlineINNflight From Austria, joined Apr 2004, 3765 posts, RR: 60
Reply 6, posted (8 years 7 months 3 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 6311 times:

Quoting Clickhappy (Reply 5):
Makes me want to throw up.

My thoughts exactly... We'll see what happens. No way this is the big opportunety to make some good money.
Ah how I love bizjet companies, they know how to pay exclusevly.  blush 



Jet Visuals
User currently offlineStealthZ From Australia, joined Feb 2005, 5678 posts, RR: 45
Reply 7, posted (8 years 7 months 3 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 6309 times:
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Hey Royal,

A little advice, I have been contacted by a US software/services company that want to use a photo of mine in a 5000 print run brochure targeting the aviation industry, what do you think makes sense for that kind of sale?

I certainly don't want to make you throw up Big grin

Cheers

Chris



If your camera sends text messages, that could explain why your photos are rubbish!
User currently offlineAndrewUber From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 2528 posts, RR: 41
Reply 8, posted (8 years 7 months 3 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 6293 times:

Hey guys -

I received this e-mail as well! I'm probing them for info - but they are NOT using my image for free!

Let's stay in touch on this...

Drew



I'd rather shoot BAD_MOTIVE
User currently offlinePaulianer From Germany, joined Jul 2002, 875 posts, RR: 13
Reply 9, posted (8 years 7 months 3 weeks 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 6275 times:

Hi guys,

I just sent them an offer, based on the infos I've got here  Wink

And its not for free Big grin

thanks

Cheers
Tobi



Tobias Rose - Hamburg (HAM/EDDH) & (XFW/EDHI) - Canon EOS D60 - ICQ: 235621277 - MSN: Tobias.Rose@gmx.de
User currently offlineLXLucien From Switzerland, joined Mar 2005, 259 posts, RR: 4
Reply 10, posted (8 years 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 6181 times:

Hi

I received it as well. I've answered yesterday, but still no reply...

so long
LXLucien



Quote "Syriana": "Beirut, it's like Paris in the Mid-East"
User currently offlineDiezel From Netherlands, joined Oct 2002, 646 posts, RR: 11
Reply 11, posted (8 years 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 6138 times:

Quoting Clickhappy (Reply 5):
Well if they are contacting several photogs your chances of getting a decent pay day are slim. Seems some people like to give their shots away, all for the thrill of "seeing their name in print."

I am sorry that that makes you want to throw up. Because what's wrong with that?

For most photogs on this site this is still a hobby and we are living in a free world, so I guess if one wants to give his/her photos away for free, so what? We do advertise our photos on this site for free.

Hmmm, on the other hand, if you are a good seller I can imagine why you want to throw up. Looking at the number of threads about this subject, isn't it time for a.net to think about some guidelines about this? For example: publishing example prices for magazines, tv and the lot. This could even be done by photographers who actually sell pictures to other parties. This would really help inexperienced photogs.

I'm even thinking aout a.net setting up a fund we could join for legal costs (i.e. if somebody uses a photo which was not authorized by the photog.)

Roel.



Never be afraid of what you like. (Miles Davis)
User currently offlineAndrewUber From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 2528 posts, RR: 41
Reply 12, posted (8 years 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 6118 times:

Quoting Diezel (Reply 11):
I'm even thinking aout a.net setting up a fund we could join for legal costs (i.e. if somebody uses a photo which was not authorized by the photog.)

I'd contribute to it. I own a business in the aviation industry, and one day I got a brochure from a fuel cells company trying to pitch their services to me - and in it were four of MY OWN photos from airliners.net! When I did meet the owner of that company, I informed him that his people had been violating copyright laws (God only knows how many times they have done it before). He sounded like he didn't believe me so I pulled up a.net on my laptop, and showed him a photo from that proposal. He said "Well who is this Freight-Dawg???" and I replied "YOU'RE LOOKIN AT HIM".  box 

Awkward to say the least - but he says he stopped stealing images.

Incidentally, he lost the deal to do the fuel cell services. Instant karma is a mother#&*%er.  yes 

Drew



I'd rather shoot BAD_MOTIVE
User currently offlineINNflight From Austria, joined Apr 2004, 3765 posts, RR: 60
Reply 13, posted (8 years 7 months 3 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 6083 times:

Did anybody get a reply from that lady so far?
I'm afraid they got a free-ride...



Jet Visuals
User currently offlinePaulianer From Germany, joined Jul 2002, 875 posts, RR: 13
Reply 14, posted (8 years 7 months 3 weeks 4 days ago) and read 6040 times:

Hi guys,

well they replied to me, I'm now in further discussions... but its not safe yet...

I'll keep you informed

Cheers from HAM
Tobi



Tobias Rose - Hamburg (HAM/EDDH) & (XFW/EDHI) - Canon EOS D60 - ICQ: 235621277 - MSN: Tobias.Rose@gmx.de
User currently offlineChrisair From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 2065 posts, RR: 3
Reply 15, posted (8 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 6006 times:

Quoting Diezel (Reply 11):
I am sorry that that makes you want to throw up. Because what's wrong with that?

For most photogs on this site this is still a hobby and we are living in a free world, so I guess if one wants to give his/her photos away for free, so what? We do advertise our photos on this site for free.

Well, let's look at this hobby from a business standpoint.

Let's say that you buy a 20D ($1200 USD) a nice lens or two ($3500 USD), some cards ($250 USD) a card reader ($50 USD). For camera gear you've now spent around $5,000 USD. I'm assuming that a person has a decent computer and an existing internet/cable connection.

Then you have to factor in the trip to the local airport. Depending on distance it can cost you between $15 and $50 USD in gas (or more). Plus your wear and tear on the car, the mileage etc. Not to mention food. So a one day trip to the local airport is, for our purposes here $30. We'll say you do a trip to the airport twice a month ($60 USD/month, $720/year).

So for a year, we'll say the hobby costs a person about $6,000/year. This isn't including trips out of state/country etc.

So, if you give your photos away for free, you're out $6,000 USD (probably much more).

Now, I'm not sure about anyone else, but I don't like losing $6,000.

It's good to see more people are asking for some payment. A few years ago, most people wouldn't have done this. It seems the word is getting out. Unfortunately though, for every one who quotes a fair price, 10 others will offer it for free just to see their name appear in size four font under a picture.


User currently offlineDLKAPA From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (8 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 6004 times:

Quoting Clickhappy (Reply 5):
Makes me want to throw up.

I agree. The sad thing is, that there's probably somebody not reading this board that will give it up for free.


User currently offlineLxLucien From Switzerland, joined Mar 2005, 259 posts, RR: 4
Reply 17, posted (8 years 7 months 3 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 5919 times:

Also did not get an answer. I'll write her again today if she is still interested ... But it'll be like the other times: no answer  Smile  Sad


Quote "Syriana": "Beirut, it's like Paris in the Mid-East"
User currently offlinePaulianer From Germany, joined Jul 2002, 875 posts, RR: 13
Reply 18, posted (8 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 5869 times:

Hi guys,

well, just want to let you know that they didn't got a free ride Big grin

Cheers from HAM
Tobi



Tobias Rose - Hamburg (HAM/EDDH) & (XFW/EDHI) - Canon EOS D60 - ICQ: 235621277 - MSN: Tobias.Rose@gmx.de
User currently offlineJamesbuk From United Kingdom, joined May 2005, 3968 posts, RR: 4
Reply 19, posted (8 years 7 months 2 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 5814 times:

Quoting Chrisair (Reply 15):
Let's say that you buy a 20D ($1200 USD) a nice lens or two ($3500 USD), some cards ($250 USD) a card reader ($50 USD). For camera gear you've now spent around $5,000 USD.

i dont know many people that buy a brand spanking new camera and everything to go with it a year but i get your drift



You cant have your cake and eat it... What the hells the point in having it then!!!
User currently offlineChrisair From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 2065 posts, RR: 3
Reply 20, posted (8 years 7 months 2 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 5801 times:

Quoting Jamesbuk (Reply 19):

i dont know many people that buy a brand spanking new camera and everything to go with it a year but i get your drift

I assume you're talking about buying a new camera every year. Even if you don't buy a new camera yearly, you're still out money. You still have to pay that $5,000...and last I checked money doesn't grow on plants. So, why go into debt just to show mommy a photo credit?

My bank doesn't take photo credits and deposit them in my account. (If they did, I'd be a millionaire).


User currently offlineMaiznblu_757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2002, 5112 posts, RR: 50
Reply 21, posted (8 years 7 months 2 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 5790 times:

Quoting Chrisair (Reply 20):
So, why go into debt just to show mommy a photo credit?

My bank doesn't take photo credits and deposit them in my account.

 thumbsup 


User currently offlineJwenting From Netherlands, joined Apr 2001, 10213 posts, RR: 19
Reply 22, posted (8 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day ago) and read 5752 times:

Quoting Jamesbuk (Reply 19):
i dont know many people that buy a brand spanking new camera and everything to go with it a year but i get your drift

You'd be surprised...
One example I know is a guy who bought a D30, D60, 1d, 10D, 300D, 20D, and now I think has a 5d in that order, all as soon as released.
Another bought a D100, F5, S2, S3, and now has a D2x. And that's just the Nikon gear. Before that he had a line of Canon gear of similar length.
Third had F3, F4, F5, DSC14n, and now D2x. In his case at least 2 of each.

They don't replace their lenses every year AFAIK, but do regularly buy new ones in ranges they already own other lenses.



I wish I were flying
User currently offlineUnited_fan From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 7447 posts, RR: 7
Reply 23, posted (8 years 7 months 2 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 5699 times:

While we're on the subject of photo sales,what is the going rate for magazine requests ? I got a request for one of my FF scrap-shots in VCV .


'Empathy was yesterday...Today, you're wasting my Mother-F'ing time' - Heat.
User currently offlineJFK From Australia, joined Jan 2005, 20 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (8 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 5696 times:

I got an email from a Chinese aviation magazine requesting the use of one of my photos in return for a free copy of the magazine. I told them I can't read Chinese so the free magazine is no good to me and it would cost them $30USD if they wanted the photo. In the end they didn't cough up with the money and I don't care.

25 Post contains links Chrisair : You (and everyone else) might be interested with this site: http://www.nppa.org/professional_dev.../business_practices/cdb/index.html
26 YukonTrader : Just a tipp for those among you who didn't seel a deal, or keep getting requests with no further answer: In the print media business, it is under some
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