Cosec59 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Posted (7 years 5 months 3 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 1215 times:
Seems to me that sometimes having a photo rejected is seen as a personal thing. I see rejection as positive. It makes me think harder about my up loads and what I am trying to acheive and aspire to.
Willo From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2003, 1352 posts, RR: 14 Reply 4, posted (7 years 5 months 3 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 1188 times:
Quoting Cosec59 (Reply 3): and change your approach to the pics you upload?
No, I use the same approach for all my pictures because I am taking them for myself. If they happen to be good enough for anet, fine. What submitting to anet has done is help me improve my editing skills (although my recent plummet in acceptance ratio doesn't bear this out! )
Gary2880 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 5, posted (7 years 5 months 3 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 1175 times:
Quoting Cosec59 (Reply 3): But do you accept it a positive and change your approach to the pics you upload?
to the pictures I upload yes, not the pictures I take. I now only upload my boring ones to a.net.
I may try a border line one now and again but not very often.. If a few are rejected for, e.g. dust, fair enough... I cant see it, you don't want them I'm happy with them on my pbase.. Wouldn't spend god knows how long attempting to clone out every spot now.. (and there's a lot!) I'll just attempt the more blindingly obvious ones. Plenty of other photographers to take my place
This is why I think it is sad; I am under the impression a lot of people do as you do, submit only boring shots to A.net. And of course I do not like that.
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j
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NIKV69 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 10, posted (7 years 5 months 3 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 1078 times:
Quoting Cosec59 (Thread starter): Seems to me that sometimes having a photo rejected is seen as a personal thing. I see rejection as positive. It makes me think harder about my up loads and what I am trying to achieve and aspire to.
YES! Finally someone with the right attitude! It has also amazed me how many here take their rejections like it's a personal vendetta against them from the screeners. You should do exactly the opposite and use the rejection as a positive and improve your photos.
It is great to see a thread like this instead of the same "why did my pic get rejected when these are in the DB" crap!
NIKV69 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 12, posted (7 years 5 months 3 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 1023 times:
Quoting Pilot kaz (Reply 11): Most of the time that "crap" is people asking for help or asking how can their shots be improved..
Actually Kaz it is not. You have been spending too much time in Non-av. People that post those whining threads which include pictures from other photogs that are already in the DB for comparison are basically saying the screeners rejected their pics wrongfully. With reasons ranging from stupidity, bias, impossible standards etc. If someone wanted an opinion they would ask for it and not include the drama.
Pilot kaz From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 13, posted (7 years 5 months 3 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 1006 times:
Quoting NIKV69 (Reply 12): Actually Kaz it is not. You have been spending too much time in Non-av. People that post those whining threads which include pictures from other photogs that are already in the DB for comparison are basically saying the screeners rejected their pics wrongfully. With reasons ranging from stupidity, bias, impossible standards etc. If someone wanted an opinion they would ask for it and not include the drama.
So because I post in another forum that reflects on my posts here?
Everyone is entitled to ask up front why their pics are rejected, Maybe they was rejected for the right reason and maybe for the wrong. If they want other members opinions then where is the problem in that?
Not everyone is perfect and have to learn somewhere and somehow.
NIKV69 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 16, posted (7 years 5 months 3 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 998 times:
Quoting Pilot kaz (Reply 13): So because I post in another forum that reflects on my posts here?
No, not at all. Just merely pointing out the inaccuracy of this statement.
Quoting Pilot kaz (Reply 11): Most of the time that "crap" is people asking for help or asking how can their shots be improved..
The "crap" I was referring to was posts that are meant to be standoffish to the screeners and to imply that their pictures were wrongly rejected. They are not meant to ask for advice as to how to improve them as you suggested. If you were in this forum more and actually read the posts you would understand this.
Cosec59 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 17, posted (7 years 5 months 3 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 994 times:
Quoting Pilot kaz (Reply 15): Oh so this rules out a second opinion?
Nope. But surely the only opinion that matters is that of the screener. If their comments are taken on board and used in a positive way, it will lead to all of us getting less rejections and reduce the workload of the screener
Pilot kaz From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 18, posted (7 years 5 months 3 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 991 times:
Quoting NIKV69 (Reply 16): They are not meant to ask for advice as to how to improve them as you suggested. If you were in this forum more and actually read the posts you would understand this.
I do read this forum, But I Don't post that much, why? Because I am no expert in photography but wanting to learn by reading more of the forum.
Maybe it would be better to ask here if it was rightly rejected rather than appeal it and waste screeners time.
Jkw777 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 19, posted (7 years 5 months 3 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 990 times:
Rejections have made me more "picky" about what I upload. Since changing my attitude my acceptance ratio has jumped up to 86%. So it works positively towards my technique.
But in the grand scheme of life, getting a shot rejected from Anet doesn't stop me from sleeping. As if I don't have enough to worry about in the real world!
Quoting NIKV69 (Reply 12): Actually Kaz it is not. You have been spending too much time in Non-av. People that post those whining threads which include pictures from other photogs that are already in the DB for comparison are basically saying the screeners rejected their pics wrongfully. With reasons ranging from stupidity, bias, impossible standards etc. If someone wanted an opinion they would ask for it and not include the drama.
Personally I'd be gutted to see another person comparing my uploaded shot to their rejected shot. But really I'd try and help them if I could. Who cares really?! However if they called my shot worthless I'd be asking them to show me something spectacular before I let them get away with it.
At the end of the day, the crux is... It's only a hobby, something that most of us do to relax.
Willo From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2003, 1352 posts, RR: 14 Reply 21, posted (7 years 5 months 3 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 985 times:
Quoting Cosec59 (Reply 14): That is explained in the E mail and on the rejected photos section
Actually I'm with Kaz on this. A bland "NOAquality" is often insufficient for the less experienced of us. Coming to the forum and possibly using other pictures for comparison can be necessary to get a better understanding of the rejection and what is required to rectify the problem.
Maybe how that question is posed shows the difference as to whether the poster is seen as genuinely wanting help or is merely being a "whiner".
NIKV69 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 23, posted (7 years 5 months 3 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 973 times:
Quoting Willo (Reply 21): Actually I'm with Kaz on this. A bland "NOAquality" is often insufficient for the less experienced of us. Coming to the forum and possibly using other pictures for comparison can be necessary to get a better understanding of the rejection and what is required to rectify the problem.
Maybe how that question is posed shows the difference as to whether the poster is seen as genuinely wanting help or is merely being a "whiner".
I agree with you a 100%. The way to do this is either email one of the screeners and ask their opinion. They ARE more than willing to help in this way. Months back I was helped by Justin Cedarholm who went as far as to edit for me too! Without me asking! Further proof that they are here to help and willing to sacrifice their time. OR, post a thread here asking for advice. At no point should you ever use another photogs pic in your thread or infer the pic was rejected wrongly. It is downright rude.
Willo From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2003, 1352 posts, RR: 14 Reply 24, posted (7 years 5 months 3 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 954 times:
Quoting 9VSPO (Reply 22): Not a whiner, Phil is one of the nicest guys you will ever meet and I think he was very sincere in his question to be honest.
I wasn't refering to this thread specifically, I'm sure Phil's a lovely bloke! , It was more a general observation of what's gone on in the past.
Quoting Jkw777 (Reply 19): Personally I'd be gutted to see another person comparing my uploaded shot to their rejected shot.
It depends on the context. If the question is put politely and there's no out and out critisism of your accepted shot, does it do any harm?
Jkw777 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 25, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 830 times:
Quoting Willo (Reply 24): It depends on the context. If the question is put politely and there's no out and out critisism of your accepted shot, does it do any harm?
I did follow on from there with:
"But really I'd try and help them if I could. Who cares really?!"
If they were polite about it then fine I'd have no issue but if it was done with a malice kind of approach I'd bite back a little.
Like I said Gentlemen, it's only a hobby. It's not supposed to be stressful in the slightest.
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Finally someone with the right attitude! It has also amazed me how many here take their rejections like it's a personal vendetta against them from the screeners. You should do exactly the opposite and use the rejection as a positive and improve your photos. 
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