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Professional Photog Is Selling My Photos!  
User currently offlineAndrewUber From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 2528 posts, RR: 40
Posted (8 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 5901 times:

OK I need some serious help on this one. My blood is BOILING. WOOO-saaaah.  banghead 

While at one of my client's flight operations desks the other night, I notice a sign on a wall from a photography company based out of Lubbock, Texas. They are selling a canvas print that consists of two of my images super-imposed on top of each other.

Here are the two photos in question, right off of airliners.net:

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Click here for bigger photo!

Photo © Freight-Dawg - Airside Photography
View Large View Medium
Click here for bigger photo!

Photo © Freight-Dawg - Airside Photography


Here are their prices:

8x10 - $80.00
11x14 - $100.00
16x20 - $145.00
20x24 - $185.00
24x30 - $225.00

This lady is a professional photographer, and does wedding and portrait packages. She knows damn well what she is doing is illegal. She's offering these photos to the crews and general public.

I have never been contacted by her, and I have not given permission for such prints to be created, manipulated or sold. God only knows how many she's already sold and profited from.

Not only am I not getting any money from the deal - she even cropped off my name on the images. I guess my time, effort, knowledge, skill and $3,000.00 in equipment isn't worth anything to her.

For all of you who hate seeing watermarks - this is precisely why the watermarks exists. I wish I had watermarked every image I've uploaded. Recently I started adding them, and believe me - I will be putting BOLD watermarks all over my images from this day forward.

I'm thinking about sending her a decease and decist letter (yes, the pun was intended), and I'm considering legal action for damages and recovering some kind of money from her sales of my images.  biting 

I need help with this, I don't know where to start. Do I send her the letter myself? Or should I call Johnny Cochrane and have HIM do it for me???

Thank you all for your help.

Andrew


I'd rather shoot BAD_MOTIVE
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User currently offlineSyncmaster From United States of America, joined Jul 2002, 2032 posts, RR: 10
Reply 1, posted (8 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 5889 times:
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I was with Andrew when he saw this, lets just say that I don't think I've ever seen his face that red before. Anyone seen the red on the Christmas Starbucks cups?

-Charlie


User currently offlineDLKAPA From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (8 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 5875 times:

His face was that red? Wow that would piss me off, especially since this almost seems like an "inside job." This is definetly something you need to fight hard.

User currently offlineClickhappy From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 9633 posts, RR: 68
Reply 3, posted (8 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 5847 times:
AIRLINERS.NET CREW
PHOTO SCREENER

First thing you should stop doing is uploading at large file sizes (bigger than 1024 x) as this just increases the chances of getting ripped off. You should also get a copy or two of the sign you saw, as proof of what is going on.

I wouldn't waste my time sending her a letter and/or calling, you are past that. Retain a lawyer who is willing to do the work for a cut of the take, and send them in.

Whatever you do, do it right. Take a deep breath and calm down, getting mad won't help or even fix the situation. It is what it is.

Good luck, lots of us have been there before.


User currently offlineClickhappy From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 9633 posts, RR: 68
Reply 4, posted (8 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 5836 times:
AIRLINERS.NET CREW
PHOTO SCREENER

PS - Johnny Cochrane died. But a Google search for Copyright Lawyers might help you along

User currently offlineINNflight From Switzerland, joined Apr 2004, 3766 posts, RR: 59
Reply 5, posted (8 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 5822 times:

Quoting Clickhappy (Reply 3):
wouldn't waste my time sending her a letter and/or calling, you are past that.

Agreed!

Looks like huge $$$'s for you Andrew. Go and get this lady.



Jet Visuals
User currently offlineNirmalmakadia From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 223 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (8 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 5813 times:

Andrew……

I think you deserve a payment. If I where you, I would take a picture of the sign that is advertising the Picture as a proof. Then I would send them a letter through registered post asking for the payment and attach the picture of the sign with the letter. I would ask for a handsome amount because using a Copyrighted material for commercial benefits is offence. If they won’t give a budge with that, than I would go through a lawyer.

I don’t know if this is right…

Regards

Nirmal


User currently offlineTimdeGroot From Netherlands, joined Apr 2002, 3674 posts, RR: 64
Reply 7, posted (8 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 5796 times:
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Quoting Clickhappy (Reply 3):
First thing you should stop doing is uploading at large file sizes (bigger than 1024 x)

Good point Royal. This will also dramatically decrease the rejections here on A.net.

Tim



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User currently offlineMexicana757 From United States of America, joined Apr 2001, 3042 posts, RR: 28
Reply 8, posted (8 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 5787 times:

Hey Drew

Sorry that this has happened to you. I suggest you get a lawyer and send this woman a letter of your intentions to sue for stealing copyright material. She broke the law and is selling copyright work as her own. She is also selling it for profit and has altered your pictures. Make sure you lawyer outlines everything that she has done wrong and what the consequences will be. And the money she has made off those photos is yours not hers.

I hate it when people take others hard work and claim as their own.


User currently offlineNirmalmakadia From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 223 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (8 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 5776 times:

Quoting Mexicana757 (Reply 8):
hate it when people take others hard work and claim as their own.

Absolutely


User currently offlineMygind66 From Spain, joined May 2004, 1058 posts, RR: 11
Reply 10, posted (8 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 5749 times:

Quoting AndrewUber (Thread starter):
and I'm considering legal action for damages and recovering some kind of money from her sales of my images

Hi Andrew...

Start and end with this. Do not contact her. Leave this to your lawyer.
Good luck

Enrique


User currently offlineJeffM From United States of America, joined May 2005, 3266 posts, RR: 51
Reply 11, posted (8 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 5708 times:

Quoting Nirmalmakadia (Reply 6):
I would ask for a handsome amount because using a Copyrighted material for commercial benefits is offence.

He can ask for all he wants, they will laugh, and say "Let's go to court". Copyright infringement first must be proven. Proof that the photo is his, and not just similar. Let's say it is. Then, he has to prove what income he is loosing by the sale of "his" image. This will be done partially by looking at the tax he is paying to the IRS on the sale of his previous works. Hopefully he is reporting and paying tax on ALL his photo sales. If not, he may be in for a surprise. So, the IRS amounts are checked and if the judge finds sufficient evidence of infringement, he will only award the loss amount and possibly court fees, no guarantee on them.

I use a lawyer and a CPA for two businesses, the lawyer's fee's start at $300 per hour, that is just to sit in front of his desk, the CPA is a bit cheaper at $200-$250 per, but that is not for consultation.

She may even claim the photo was taken from the public domain, or even purchased them from one of those "Ebay" CD's or DVD's....

Good luck with it. Your best hope is that a letter will scare them into payment.


User currently offlineAndrewUber From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 2528 posts, RR: 40
Reply 12, posted (8 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 5698 times:

Quoting JeffM (Reply 11):
Copyright infringement first must be proven. Proof that the photo is his, and not just similar.

There is a sample canvas with my photos on it in Flight Ops. I will go get a picture of it tonight. And I already have a copy of their advertisement and price list associated with the photo.

I called their office today, but got voicemail. I will not answer their call when (or if) they call me back. All I said in my message is that I saw the flyer, and wanted more information. I did not lead on that I was upset or that there was any problem whatsoever. I didn't leave my name, either.

I'll keep you all posted. If anyone knows any kick-ass copyright lawyers - please let me know. Thank you all for your help.

Drew



I'd rather shoot BAD_MOTIVE
User currently offlineVasanthd From India, joined May 2005, 450 posts, RR: 9
Reply 13, posted (8 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 5664 times:

Quoting AndrewUber (Reply 12):
All I said in my message is that I saw the flyer, and wanted more information.

I hope she doesn't read this post....Hope everything turns good and $$. Good luck.
--Vas



One Lucky shot deserves another!
User currently offlineDB777 From United States of America, joined Apr 2001, 885 posts, RR: 43
Reply 14, posted (8 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 5636 times:
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Andrew, I would gather some information about copyrights from
http://www.copyright.gov/
and then register the two works with the Copyright Office for $30 each.

Contrary to what Jeff said above, you are entitled to statutory damages and your attorney's fees if you register your images. If you don't register them then you are only entitled to actual loss of damages and profits. I don't think the copyright violator will laugh and say "Let's go to court" when they find out that you will receive statutory damages, your legal fees plus your damages and loss of profits when they lose the case. You have the violator by the short hairs at this point so to speak so keep that in mind in determining how much to ask for.

Here's some information from the copyright site for those too laid back to check it out: (I bold printed the pertinent part about statutory damages and your attorney fees)

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

COPYRIGHT REGISTRATION

In general, copyright registration is a legal formality intended to make a public record of the basic facts of a particular copyright. However, registration is not a condition of copyright protection. Even though registration is not a requirement for protection, the copyright law provides several inducements or advantages to encourage copyright owners to make registration. Among these advantages are the following:

Registration establishes a public record of the copyright claim.

Before an infringement suit may be filed in court, registration is necessary for works of U. S. origin.

If made before or within 5 years of publication, registration will establish prima facie evidence in court of the validity of the copyright and of the facts stated in the certificate.

If registration is made within 3 months after publication of the work or prior to an infringement of the work, statutory damages and attorney's fees will be available to the copyright owner in court actions. Otherwise, only an award of actual damages and profits is available to the copyright owner.

Registration allows the owner of the copyright to record the registration with the U. S. Customs Service for protection against the importation of infringing copies. For additional information, request Publication No. 563 "How to Protect Your Intellectual Property Right," from: U.S. Customs Service, P.O. Box 7404, Washington, D.C. 20044. See the U.S. Customs Service Website at www.customs.gov for online publications.

Registration may be made at any time within the life of the copyright. Unlike the law before 1978, when a work has been registered in unpublished form, it is not necessary to make another registration when the work becomes published, although the copyright owner may register the published edition, if desired.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~



Photographing aircraft since the Earth was flat and on Airliners.net since #338
User currently offlineF9Widebody From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 1604 posts, RR: 10
Reply 15, posted (8 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 5589 times:

Quoting DB777 (Reply 14):
If registration is made within 3 months after publication of the work or prior to an infringement of the work, statutory damages and attorney's fees will be available to the copyright owner in court actions.

Unfortunately, these images wouldn't apply to either of those circumstances.

Regards



YES URLS in signature!!!
User currently offlineJeffM From United States of America, joined May 2005, 3266 posts, RR: 51
Reply 16, posted (8 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 5582 times:

Seems Don didn't do his homework.

Quoting F9Widebody (Reply 15):
Unfortunately, these images wouldn't apply to either of those circumstances.

Unfortunate.


User currently offlineDB777 From United States of America, joined Apr 2001, 885 posts, RR: 43
Reply 17, posted (8 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 5581 times:
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The 3-month after publication is ambiguous and a copyright attorney should be consulted for clarification. Based on other articles I've read, I'm interpreting it to mean published by the copyright violator. Andrew just discovered the infringement. I don't think a court would penalize a copyright owner if it took a while for him/her to discover the infringement. Otherwise everyone and his uncle would be violating copyrights hoping that the copyright owner wouldn't discover the misdeeds within 3 months of publishing date.


Photographing aircraft since the Earth was flat and on Airliners.net since #338
User currently offlineJeffM From United States of America, joined May 2005, 3266 posts, RR: 51
Reply 18, posted (8 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 5561 times:

Quoting DB777 (Reply 17):
The 3-month after publication is ambiguous

?? There is already precedent on cases like these, what makes you say ambiguous?

Quoting DB777 (Reply 17):
and a copyright attorney should be consulted for clarification

I already have, did you think I made the stuff up I posted? Or just copied it from some website?

This is a pretty cut and dried statement...

Quoting DB777 (Reply 14):
If registration is made within 3 months after publication of the work or prior to an infringement of the work,


User currently offlineAndrewUber From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 2528 posts, RR: 40
Reply 19, posted (8 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 5556 times:

Update -

My lovely wife found out about this - and she's megapissed. She had a good idea though - she's ordering me one tomorrow. She plans to buy one and get a receipt so we'll have some hard evidence in the case.

I also am on my way to flight operations right now to shoot a pic of the offending canvas - I'll post it here in an hour or two (with full copyright information, of course).

I think this "professional" is going to wind up financing my new Canon 5D. Maybe some L glass too.

I would also like to propose a "general legal" fund, that all a.net photographers can use to fight these types of cases. I will pledge a portion of any proceeds from this case to start it up.

Let's fight hard, and kick ass.  bigthumbsup 

Drew



I'd rather shoot BAD_MOTIVE
User currently offlineAviatorTJ From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 1838 posts, RR: 7
Reply 20, posted (8 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 5545 times:

 arrow   arrow 

Quoting JeffM (Reply 11):
Good luck with it. Your best hope is that a letter will scare them into payment.

I can say from experience that this is the way to go. Be persistent, and be firm. Chances are, if you prove your case, they will just pay up and be done with it. They want to pay for a lawyer as much as you do. Best of luck, and if I can help in any way, feel free to drop me a PM. -t


User currently offlineJeffM From United States of America, joined May 2005, 3266 posts, RR: 51
Reply 21, posted (8 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 5535 times:

Quoting AndrewUber (Reply 19):
I think this "professional" is going to wind up financing my new Canon 5D. Maybe some L glass too.

Did you even read any of the above posts? Don's specifically? How much do you sell your images for that one will finance a 5d?


User currently offlineDendrobatid From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2004, 1668 posts, RR: 61
Reply 22, posted (8 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 5512 times:
AIRLINERS.NET CREW
HEAD SCREENER

Quoting AndrewUber (Thread starter):
This lady is a professional photographer,

If she is a professional lady (that can have a different meaning over this side of the Pond) then she is probably a member of a professional photographers Association as that usually helps to get work. Found out now who they are.

Plagiarism is one of their most serious offences. When the time is right, make sure they know, perhaps by copying correspondence to them. The shame of getting found out might make her pay up

Good luck

Mick Bajcar


User currently offlineAndrewUber From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 2528 posts, RR: 40
Reply 23, posted (8 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 5510 times:

Quoting JeffM (Reply 21):
Did you even read any of the above posts?

Gosh, no, I only started this thread. Maybe that's a good idea???  sarcastic 

Quoting JeffM (Reply 21):
How much do you sell your images for that one will finance a 5d?

Perhaps I was exaggerating a bit? Perhaps I was being a bit dramatic? Perhaps I was kidding? Perhaps I was kidding when I said I would ask her to "decease and desist"???

In the future I will draw a picture for you. (By that I mean that when I say something, I will explain my comments more thoroughly).



I'd rather shoot BAD_MOTIVE
User currently offlineAndrewUber From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 2528 posts, RR: 40
Reply 24, posted (8 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 5505 times:

Here it is:
http://www.drew.charliej.net/albums/userpics/10002/some_bullshit.jpg

Both of my photos were very obviously used in this image. I did blur out the face and nameplate.

Drew

[Edited 2005-12-02 07:53:57]


I'd rather shoot BAD_MOTIVE
25 DLKAPA : Holy crap she calls herself a professional? That's got to be one of the worst copy/paste jobs I've ever seen. I wonder if she's made anything off it.
26 AndrewUber : I agree. You should see this horror in person. It really makes my photos look terrible. I think a four year old with a pair of scissors and some Elmer
27 Dendrobatid : Pretty grim isn't it ? I think your first problem will be when she says prove they're your photos (which she will). They are so adulterated that that
28 AndrewUber : It's extremely easy. There are plenty of shadows and other things that are very easily identifiable on the photos. Look at the wing on the 727. Half
29 Viv : Recourse to lawyers, as others have said, is very expensive - hardly justifiable unless you earn a lot of money from aviation photography. I think you
30 Gary2880 : After all the amount u've lost amount you pay the IRS the amount this that and the other. Should it not come down that someone has stolen copyrighted
31 Post contains images Bo__einG : Man Jeff, lighten up. The guy has had two great pictures stolen by some dumb bitch claiming to be a "professional" photographer. I sure as hell would
32 Viv : Perhaps the death penalty would be appropriate ... I'm glad to see you are not over-reacting and taking this calmly ... Caps lock would make anyone s
33 Pepef : A. So did you ask permission to post a photo of the painting? B. How much has the income from the sale of those two photos declined since you found ou
34 JeffM : I will bet after seeing that canvas you will have a hard time getting a lawyer to represent you. While the resemblance is there, the canvas is a comp
35 DC10Tim : Why would it be really difficult to show that these two photos are Andrew's? What is the probability that she has managed to either take or source fro
36 Jan Mogren : Andrew, check your email. /JM
37 Gary2880 : I would like to make a disclaimer at this point for anyone interested in stealing photographs from airliners.net or any other source Use Jeff's, he do
38 AndrewUber : Bullshit. Go to Kinko's. Look at what they offer. You can have any image (JPEG, TIFF, GIF, BMP etc) printed onto a canvas. This lady did not sit down
39 Post contains images Avro85 : Incredible story Good Luck Drew. I hope for you that you'll win the battle. Chris
40 Bruce : I looked at the two, and I do think she stole them. They are identical. that's a very brazen act by someone who claims to be a "professional photograp
41 Post contains images BO__einG : Alright Jeff, since you seem to think your so cocky. Lets take a look at these two pictures of yours. Both are nice pictures I guess. Say this same sl
42 Post contains images Fergulmcc : Drew mate, sorry I haven't seen your thread earlier, just been taking a break from A.net for a while. Nearly time to go on holiday, off to CPT via FRA
43 Viv : Hey Fergul, have a great time in South Aftica!
44 Post contains images Fergulmcc : Thanks Viv I really am looking forward to it, have a helicopter ride around Cape Town planed so hope to get a few good shots in. They are based in CP
45 Post contains images Clickhappy : Both are nice pictures I guess. Say this same slut steals those two pictures and puts them into that canvas thing of hers and sells it to corporate cl
46 AndrewUber : Now now now, be nice - these were obviously added BEFORE "NOA_centered" became standard.
47 Psych : Hi Drew. Good luck with this - I can fully imagine the fury you must have felt. I've not been in such a position myself (to my knowledge) but I fully
48 Tommy Mogren : Andrew, I know how it feels to have your photos stolen. It sucks big time. Make sure you nail her for this! Keep us posted and I hope you get a lot of
49 Post contains images JeffM : I'll bet he never thought of that....She does own a copyright to that image, regardless of the current situation. Wonderful Gary, Thanks, you're a cl
50 JeffM : Funny, I don't see your name on either one of those pictures Andrew. I only see "Freight-Dawg - Airside Photography". Hopefully you have a legally re
51 Eksath : This certainly sucks....Good luck and I hope you get some $ and make it a pain to this woman. This happens alot unfortunately we dont know all instanc
52 F9Widebody : That would be proveable, as Drew's Username is linked to his credit card and IP adresses are logged. The username is also linked to his photo name, w
53 Post contains links and images AndrewUber : Jeff, please do us all a favor and read the full thread before posting your arrogant fellow-photographer bashing lines in here. This was covered in r
54 AndrewUber : Perhaps even Johan could get involved, as this lady has also violated the airliners.net terms of use: All photos on Airliners.net are copyright protec
55 JeffM : You're assuming that anything from here would be admissable in a U.S. court. And that Johan would even furnish that info. And if Andrew's ISP uses dy
56 AndrewUber : I'm not doing business as "Freight-Dawg". I'm doing business as "Airside Photography". Furthermore, my EXIF data links the image to my camera serial
57 Post contains images Syncmaster : 1.) For an electrician you seem to think you know all about this , remind me to hire you next time I need a lawyer. 2.) Thats a standard disclaimer o
58 JeffM : Then why in the world don't you use it for your photos? Seems like a no-brainer. That's where your wrong. As mentioned above, this did happen to me.
59 JeffM : LOL....and you do? Read Charlie read.... That info was from the firm I used. Maybe they were wrong? Who knows? But, as mentioned, for a silly aircraf
60 Mexicana757 : As long as Andrew holds the original copies of the photos, he holds the copyrights. His name doesn't need to be placed all over the pictures. Once yo
61 Sllevin : I certainly believe you've got a legitmate case of infringement. Having been down this road (being the infringed upon), the big question is: How much
62 AndrewUber : I seriously doubt it, but you never know. Unfortunately I'm certain I would be unable to acquire accurate sales data from her.
63 Pepef : I still stand by my original statement. I don't think it's necessary to post a new thread everytime one of the 800.000 images displayed on this site
64 DLKAPA : If you take it to court wouldn't they use a subpoena for that kind of thing? And if they did, and she still didn't give the right data, would that no
65 Post contains links Gary2880 : don't think I was whining, just countering your BS so why do you bother to constantly pi$$ me and others off by being arrogant and stuck up if you th
66 Tommy Mogren : AMEN! Tommy Mogren
67 Viv : I don't always agree with Jeff, but on this occasion he is right. Certainly your photos have been ILLEGALLY used, there is no question about that. Cer
68 Bo__einG : If a similar thing like this has happened to Jeff in the past which he finally stated, why didn't he mention this earlier on the thread? Then we would
69 Fallingeese : I'm not sure if it is the same in the U.S. but in Canada you can go through small claims court or something similar. You do not need a lawyer and can
70 D L X : Oh MAN would I love to represent you. Unfortunately, I won't be a lawyer until this summer. (Copyright's kinda my thing.) This is such an easy open an
71 CallMeCapt : Jeff, you're a very strange individual. No matter what someone says in these forums, you go out of your way to contradict every word they say. I've ne
72 ChrisH : ^ | | | | Post of the year. And of course you should nail this #¤"% who stole your pics. However, looking at her "artwork" I suspect she may be a ret
73 D L X : Oh, one thing to be aware of. I don't know if it will necessarily affect you, but if you *don't* enforce your copyright now that you know about its in
74 Post contains links D L X : Just a little more encouragement: what she has done is a derivative work. Believe it or not, the second "artist" can not even take the photo and make
75 Post contains images JeffM : We have the same thing here Mark, I mentioned it above. But it still carries the risk of having to pay the other party if you loose. To all the other
76 Joness0154 : Andrew, Don't listen to Jeff, as he is not currently in the same situation you are. When someone is making a dime off of your hard work, it is unfair
77 Edoca : What a thread... Andrew, good luck with the battle, I hope you get some compensation out-of-court. One good letter could do it (without knowing the de
78 AndrewUber : Thank you all for your help and support. This thread shows that all of us are passionate about our photos - one way or another - and we all do share o
79 Post contains links Javibi : It might seem unbelievable but that is not 100% true; one of the most helpful posts of the year was written by him: http://www.airliners.net/discussi
80 CallMeCapt : I'd rather not comment on Jeff any further. I don't want to turn this thread into a slanging match. I've said my piece and my opinion stands. I apprec
81 Gary2880 : seconded. Jeff does sometimes have some valid points as J has said, however he tends to air towards the bull in a china shop approach, for example. v
82 CallMeCapt : I'd say it leans more to the Sea urchin has shot up his backside and died. Not the ferret.
83 Post contains images JeffM : Thanks Javi, glad you enjoyed that post on the layer masks... But on your second point above...... I've tried to keep it to every third post.. Funny
84 Post contains images AndrewUber : . . . . So How 'bout those Colts!?! Letters go out tomorrow via certified mail, I will keep updating. Drew
85 Syncmaster : I hear they are doing pretty good this year, the Lions on the other hand...
86 Post contains images AndrewUber : LOL do the Lions EVER do well??? This is why I don't tell anyone I'm actually from Detroit!
87 Post contains images Syncmaster : Even if the Lions weren't from Detroit I wouldn't tell anyone that I'm from Detroit...
88 CallMeCapt : Sent you a private message Jeff. Check your inbox
89 AndrewUber : Still no calls back from this lady, we are getting the letters ready now. Any final advice on how much I should ask for? Drew
90 Joness0154 : No idea on what to ask, probably a few hundred or so. Send the letter certified mail!
91 JeffM : Drew, did you put a deadline for action on your letter? If not, she may very well be having her lawyer look at your letter before replying, and those
92 Tappan : Let her off easy with $500.00...... Tell her that if you have to litigate then it will "most certainly be quadruple damages.... Mark Garfinkel
93 Fallingeese : Be sure to get an injunction against her should it proceed to court. It is something small that you may not think of at the time. From my experience,
94 AndrewUber : We're still working on this, now the lady has said she "has more pics of Kitty Hawk aircraft for sale." We are trying to find out how many more she ha
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