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User currently offlineANITIX87 From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 3308 posts, RR: 13
Posted (8 years 10 months 1 week 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 2997 times:
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Hey guys. I'm still looking for the right DSLR. My budget is $850 dollars, since my parents agreed to pay for some of it for Christmas. I've got several options and have to tell my mom what I want. There's always the chance she'll think it's much to expensive and will buy me a point-and-shoot which I hope doesn't happen. But anyway...

I looked at the Rebel XT (Canon 350D) and the Nikon 50 and 70D. They are both, obviously top of the line, but are SO expensive. I went to a camera store yesterday and saw that Olympus sells their newest DSLR, the E-500, in a kit with two lenses. The lenses are 14-45mm and 40-150mm, but the camera has a 2x crop factor so it's like having 28-90mm and 80-300mm respectively, which is what I was looking for. And this kit is $745 online. So here's my question.

Has anyone used Olympus in general or this specific camera and lenses? You can't beat the price and while Olympus may not be up to par with Canon and Nikon, it looks like a good camera. And I'd much rather spend $745 on this than $850 on the Canon or Nikon kit and then STILL have to buy a telephoto lens. Would you guys go for it? Or, it not, can you give me a reason to justify spending all the extra money on Canon or Nikon? Thanks a million.

TIS, the hopeful DSLR owner...

P.S. If any of you want to try and convince my mom that it's the way to go over a Point-and-Shoot, let me know and I give you an e-mail address, haha...j/k


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User currently offlineDLKAPA From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (8 years 10 months 1 week 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 2988 times:

Quoting ANITIX87 (Thread starter):
I looked at the Rebel XT (Canon 350D) and the Nikon 50 and 70D. They are both, obviously top of the line, but are SO expensive.

Never describe the Rebel XT or the Nikon D50 (or D70) as top of the line  Wink Top of the line = price of a good used car.

Anyhoo, what kind of photography experience do you have? Your choice of camera's should really depend more on what you know and what you want to do, then focus on budget. For me, the 2x crop factor would put me off right away. I like the APS-C sensors (1.6x crop for Canon, 1.5 for Nikon) because they do get you a bit closer to your subject, the only downside is that with a smaller sensor, the more apparant a lenses imperfections will be. A sensor with a 2x crop factor will probably render anything other than professional glass completely useless.


User currently offlineANITIX87 From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 3308 posts, RR: 13
Reply 2, posted (8 years 10 months 1 week 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 2985 times:
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I've been into photography for a long time, but I've never had any good equipment to work with because nobody in my family is into photography. The only decent camera we ever had was an old Minolta 7000, the first autofocus SLR. I was young when we had it, maybe 11, so I didn't really know what it was all about. I've been serious about photography for about 2 years and want to go to the next step of having a real camera instead of the little Point-and-Shoots my mom buys to simply take pictures of family in Europe. I don't know anything about night photography, shutter speeds, ISO, f-stops (except that smaller number is better and faster).

I don't have much money to spend (especially since I'm in college now) and this restricts me a lot. My main goal is aviation photography, though not specifically for this website, since it's so strict even people with 50,000 cameras get shots rejected once in a while. I love taking pictures of nature, too, though, and my college campus is absolutely beautiful so it's not like the camera would go unused here.

As for the 2x crop factor (the small sensor). I know this may cause a problem (my roommate has a Rebel XT and told me about the potential flaws) but my thoughts are that buying a new camera with new lenses will almost guarantee there are no flaws to begin with and I plan on putting a UV filter on the lens the moment it comes out of the box to protect it. Or did you mean other flaws, haha?

I was thinking of going film at first since it's so much cheaper to get a camera, but the film is so expensive and with film you need to wait for the perfect shot instead of taking 300 pictures and finding 4 good ones like with digital cameras. I also want a light-weight camera and one that's not too bulky. I saw the Olympus and it immediately caught my eye because it looks cool and isn't too expensive.

As you can tell I don't have much experience but I really want a good DSLR. Haha. And right now the Olympus is at the top of my list (because of price and the kit lenses) unless someone can convince me otherwise.

TIS



www.stellaryear.com: Canon EOS 50D, Canon EOS 5DMkII, Sigma 50mm 1.4, Canon 24-70 2.8L II, Canon 100mm 2.8L, Canon 100-4
User currently offlineDLKAPA From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (8 years 10 months 1 week 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 2980 times:

Quoting ANITIX87 (Reply 2):
but my thoughts are that buying a new camera with new lenses will almost guarantee there are no flaws to begin with and I plan on putting a UV filter on the lens the moment it comes out of the box to protect it. Or did you mean other flaws, haha?

Common misconception. Actually, alot of first-run cameras of any series, and first-run lenses of any series will show defects. Nikon's first-run D70 cameras had a very bad bacfocusing problem, alot of Sigma's first-run lenses run into problems, that's not to say that these 2 mfr's can't produce top-notch photos, or that if you buy one that has a defect you'll be hosed, they just have slight teething issues and mfr's will fix them for free.

If I were in your shoes, since you say you have experience in photography, I would go for the Nikon D50. Cheap, has the basic SLR functions so it will help you learn how to get good photographs, yet you can mount very high quality glass to it (Nikon's top line [Nikkor], Sigma's top line [EX], plus several other third-party brands).


User currently offlineKukkudrill From Malta, joined Dec 2004, 1123 posts, RR: 4
Reply 4, posted (8 years 10 months 1 week 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 2941 times:

Here's a review of the E500, in case you haven't seen it:

http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/olympuse500/

Basically it seems to be a decent camera, but the Canon 350D delivers better image quality particularly (but not only) at higher ISO levels. The extra quality you'll get with Canon or Nikon is well worth it in my opinion and either is a better long-run choice than the Olympus. If I were you I would go with either Canon or Nikon, even if it means waiting a while before you get a long zoom to go with it.



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User currently offlineTowerEye From Serbia, joined Jun 2005, 64 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (8 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 2895 times:

Since you are relatively new to photography, and your knowledge and experience is relatively modest, you can't make mistake if you buy ANY DSLR made in the last 3 years or so. Nikon/Canon owners are so loud on this forum (and on all others on web) that when anybody even mention anything other the avalanche will succeed.
E-500 is a very decent camera. 2xcrop factor is very convenient for aviation photography, Olympus lenses will probably satisfy you and when using e.g.. Sigma lens ( I have 55-200, 110-400eqiv.) you will actually get more quality from the lens itself (providing the lens is good enough) then when using with larger sensor camera (say 350D).
You asked if anybody have used Olympus camera? I've asked same question few weeks ago for Olympus E-1 and it seems that I am the only E-1 user on the A.net.
Buy whichever of the >3Mpix DSLR and go to the airport. Satisfaction guarantied.  Smile



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User currently offlineANITIX87 From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 3308 posts, RR: 13
Reply 6, posted (8 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 2880 times:
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Yeah. Hey guys, thanks for the replies, but my parents are not budging. My mom took me to the camera store and she said to the manager, "My son wants a digital camera with decent zoom. It's his first camera and he wants an SLR-like body, though not necessarily a real SLR." The manager looked at her and said, up front, "Ma'am, I'd skip SLR-style Point-and-Shoots and get him either the Olympus E-500 or the Nikon D50." My mom took a half-second look at the price tag and said, "Out of the question! It's like buying a Ferarri for an 18-year old driver!" And the BEST she's willing to do is the Konico Minolta Z6 Point-and-Shoot with 12x optical zoom and an SLR-style viewfinder. I don't know. Maybe she does have a point, but I was so set on the Olympus, especially after finding it for $745 with two lenses online! My mom won't listen to a word I tell her, so it's useless.

TIS

(P.S. Don't you sometimes wish the people you ask for advice online had kind hearts and would just throw a used camera at your feet for free?! Haha...just kidding. I'll just have to show my mom how good I can be with the Z6 and maybe she'll see that I'll be ready for a real SLR rather quickly. I don't know.)



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User currently offlineStealthZ From Australia, joined Feb 2005, 5714 posts, RR: 44
Reply 7, posted (8 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 2878 times:
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Quoting ANITIX87 (Reply 6):
I'll just have to show my mom how good I can be with the Z6 and maybe she'll see that I'll be ready for a real SLR rather quickly. I don't know

That would be a great plan!! Best of luck with it!!

Quoting ANITIX87 (Reply 6):
Don't you sometimes wish the people you ask for advice online had kind hearts and would just throw a used camera at your feet for free?!

Be grateful for the advice, it is the only thing given for free that has any real value. You will appreciate that fancy DSLR much more if you work up to it or earn it in some way!

Cheers



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User currently offlineANITIX87 From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 3308 posts, RR: 13
Reply 8, posted (8 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 2863 times:
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Quoting StealthZ (Reply 7):
Be grateful for the advice, it is the only thing given for free that has any real value. You will appreciate that fancy DSLR much more if you work up to it or earn it in some way!

That's definitely what I'm hoping for!

Thread concluded, camera decision made (albeit not by me)
Forum Moderators, feel free to lock and archive thread...

TIS



www.stellaryear.com: Canon EOS 50D, Canon EOS 5DMkII, Sigma 50mm 1.4, Canon 24-70 2.8L II, Canon 100mm 2.8L, Canon 100-4
User currently offlineRomeoKC10FE From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 219 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (8 years 10 months 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 2792 times:

Quoting ANITIX87 (Reply 8):

Hey, dont give up so quickly, first I'm a little confused, in your opening thread you said that your budget was $850, now is that your budget or your moms budget, because later you say that she wouldn't go for the Evolt 500 that you found for $745. I did some checking for you on ebay and I found some cheaper deals on Pentax cameras and if you really want to save money look a used Canon EOS D30/D60 or Nikon D100. Now don't be dismayed because the D30 only has 3.3 megapixels, I used to own one and you won't notice the difference, so don't get caught up in the whole megapxel thing. I agree with TowerEye, don't be afraid to get something other than a Canon or Nikon, I use a Canon digital and stayed with them because of course I already had Canon lenses from my four EOS film bodies. As my father used to say, and he was pro photographer, there is no such thing as a bad camera, so click on the links and see if you find something you like, I hope that I was helpful to you.


http://cgi.ebay.com/Pentax-iST-DL-6-...categoryZ30020QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem


http://cgi.ebay.com/Pentax-ist-DL-6-...categoryZ30020QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem


http://cgi.ebay.com/Pentax-ist-DL-6-...categoryZ30020QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem


http://cgi.ebay.com/CANON-D30-Digita...sPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem


http://cgi.ebay.com/Canon-EOS-D30-Bo...sPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem


User currently offlineJeffM From United States of America, joined May 2005, 3266 posts, RR: 51
Reply 10, posted (8 years 10 months 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 2789 times:

Quoting ANITIX87 (Reply 8):
Thread concluded,

Evidently not....  Smile

Quoting ANITIX87 (Reply 8):
Forum Moderators, feel free to lock and archive thread...

LOL....I'm sure they were waiting for your permission...  Wink

Quoting ANITIX87 (Reply 6):
I'll just have to show my mom how good I can be with the Z6 and maybe she'll see that I'll be ready for a real SLR rather quickly.

Ever thought of getting a job and buying your own? Seems logical...


User currently offlineANITIX87 From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 3308 posts, RR: 13
Reply 11, posted (8 years 10 months 6 days ago) and read 2759 times:
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Thanks for all the advice guys. My mom's not budging. As for getting a job, yes, it's always a possiblity but I'll probably have to wait till the summer for that since I'm a full-time student at school and Bethlehem, PA isn't exactly teeming with Job Opportunities. We'll see. For now I'll have to settle for the Z6 because I really don't want to wait, since I have a couple trips abroad planned for May and June.

I hope I'll graduate to SLR's soon. The way my mom puts it is that buying an SLR for a beginning photographer is like buying a Ferarri for a novice driver. Guess I'll have to master the BMW first then and trade it in quickly.

TIS



www.stellaryear.com: Canon EOS 50D, Canon EOS 5DMkII, Sigma 50mm 1.4, Canon 24-70 2.8L II, Canon 100mm 2.8L, Canon 100-4
User currently offlineRomeokc10fe From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 219 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (8 years 10 months 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 2738 times:

So tell us, what is your mom's spending limit?

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