I really don't know what to do with it! Has it been rejected because the fuselage is too low in the frame or because there is more space to the left of the fuselage than to the right?
If a screener would please explain!
I'm willing to change the image for a.net, however I feel like this is a rather harsh rejection as there are numerous shots on here that are in now way centered! The quality is also definitely there what makes it even harsher for me as usually I'm rejected for quality reasons!
If there is one rule a.net has that I really don't agree with in any way it is this one! This website really isn't just a database and it has never been! A.net is about beautiful and sometimes breathtaking images about aviation! Why restrict that! Is anyone interested in trying to make every photo (in a way)look the same?
Aviation photography in the end is photography...that should explain what I mean...
WakeTurbulence From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 1288 posts, RR: 18 Reply 1, posted (7 years 4 months 3 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 1770 times:
Why does a screener need to explain it? It is poorly centered from right to left. Crop evenly between the engines. I'd have also put it a bit higher in the frame. Overall the image is nice but it does need to be centered, I am a novice and I can clearly see that.
-Matt
Gismoswiss From Switzerland, joined Jul 2005, 12 posts, RR: 0 Reply 3, posted (7 years 4 months 3 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 1685 times:
Why does a screener need to explain? Because they are the ones who make the decisions around here probably and I value their opinion more than just anyone's opinion!
The reason why i cropped the engine to the right is that there is a stupid orange post hiding a bit of the engine. It really bothers me and I thought this could get the shot (cropped in the way you both suggested) rejected. What do you guys think about that? Should I even bother?
Thanks for the reply Tim. Does it really seem oversharpened? Looks really good on my screen at least.
3DoorsDown From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 368 posts, RR: 0 Reply 4, posted (7 years 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 1651 times:
Quoting Gismoswiss (Reply 3): and I value their opinion more than just anyone's opinion!
If you value their opinion so much more than "just anyone's opinion" why not send an e-mail to screeners@airliners.net and not bring it into a forum where you are guaranteed to get "just anyone's opinion"? Jeez!!!
JeffM From United States of America, joined May 2005, 3266 posts, RR: 53 Reply 5, posted (7 years 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 1624 times:
Quoting Gismoswiss (Reply 3): Because they are the ones who make the decisions around here
Gee, I always thought the person behind the lens made all the decicions....
Quoting Gismoswiss (Reply 3): and I value their opinion more than just anyone's opinion!
Don't post here, just email them. We only value those that want honest opinions.
Gismoswiss From Switzerland, joined Jul 2005, 12 posts, RR: 0 Reply 6, posted (7 years 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 1580 times:
You are kidding right? the photographer is the one making the decisions around here? You are funny! If you want to get a shot uploaded here, you really can't decide how to crop your shot how you really want it because that would get it rejected...I could have just written an email, your right about that.
IL76 From Netherlands, joined Jan 2004, 2235 posts, RR: 51 Reply 7, posted (7 years 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 1572 times:
Quoting Gismoswiss (Reply 6): You are kidding right? the photographer is the one making the decisions around here?
Quoting Gismoswiss (Reply 3): The reason why i cropped the engine to the right is that there is a stupid orange post hiding a bit of the engine
If you (the photographer) would have waited a second for the plane to taxi one meter further, or if you (the photographer) moved 3 meters to the left, that pole would not have forced you to crop off half the engine. All photographers decisions.
Dendrobatid From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2004, 1605 posts, RR: 64 Reply 8, posted (7 years 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 1562 times:
It is not well centred and as Tim says, the composition is not that good. That is not to say that it is not a good shot, just that it could be better.
It is an old photographic compositional cliche that it is a good thing to have something running in from a corner to 'lead the eye into the picture' (or as here, out)
It is a cliche because it does work. If there is enough to the right to have the fin coming into the frame precisely on the top right corner, the composition would work much better.
Try it and see. If your orange post gets in the way the answer is simple....a nice one for your personal collection
Quoting Gismoswiss (Reply 6): You are funny! If you want to get a shot uploaded here, you really can't decide how to crop your shot how you really want it because that would get it rejected
Not necessarily the case and there are masses on here that are not well centred, and when that is for a reason it can be acceptable (one of mine accepted a couple of days ago is but I told the screeners why). Composition is a totally subjective matter and when anything is subjective there are going to be differences of opinion. Your opinion and mine happen to disagree on this one. Far more importantly your opinion differs from that of the screeners, the arbiters of this site.
Gismoswiss From Switzerland, joined Jul 2005, 12 posts, RR: 0 Reply 9, posted (7 years 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 1537 times:
Hi guys,
I definitely should have waited three seconds longer and then take the shot. Through my tiny view finder I often cannot even see these orange posts all over ZRH...I didn't even realise it was there. If you don't bring a ladder in ZRH at the heliport, you are shooting through photo holes and you really can't just move some meters to the side. AMS would be better there...! I of course have more shots from that moment, but this one uploaded just happens to be the sharpest...
The composition is not that good. I knew it might be flawed for a.net. I always try not to cut objects in the background as well, though. For me the mood to this shot is just ruined once I cut out that tree on the left and roof of the house in the back. It's all also a matter of taste, of course, and I know that.
Once you've taken a particular shot, and once you're only gona work with that one, you really can't just make any decision I'd say. The centering thing is just a limitation to the possibilities you have here on a.net. Centering objects to me is just almost always the less interesting choice. It's not as bad as say having the horizon in the middle of the shot, but still... That's all I'm saying.
I just uploaded another one from that series. It's all little too tight a crop for my taste. The reason for that one being a stupid little building hiding some of the engine on the left this time... Do you think this could cut it? Could the sharpness be an issue?
JeffM From United States of America, joined May 2005, 3266 posts, RR: 53 Reply 11, posted (7 years 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 1467 times:
Quoting Gismoswiss (Reply 6): You are funny! If you want to get a shot uploaded here, you really can't decide how to crop your shot how you really want it because that would get it rejected...
You've got a lot to learn. But thanks for the advice on how to get a shot accepted. Just what I needed.
DC10Tim From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2005, 1405 posts, RR: 16 Reply 12, posted (7 years 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 1459 times:
Crikey I now know that the best way to get rejection advice is to attack the screeners
In addition to what has already been said, the left wing and engine pylon look quite blurred on my screen on the first edit, not included on the second.
Also, I wouldn't have clipped the engine on the right, as in the second edit.
Gismoswiss From Switzerland, joined Jul 2005, 12 posts, RR: 0 Reply 13, posted (7 years 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 1448 times:
Sometimes I really wonder why some people stick to a.net rules as if they were just out of the Holy Bible itself, the Ten Commandments or something! the first guy answering to my thread told me right away that it's a bad composition as if it was the clearest thing on earth! If you look at an Airlife book or aviation magazines, the shots in there don't all look like the ones to be found on this site. Are they bad shots because of that? Take a look at for example the wonderful calendars both Boeing and Airbus produce each year. Centered aircraft...I don't think so!
I knew a lot of people are gona shoot me down for this little thread...all I wanted was to get an answer. I wasn't attacking any screeners personally. They just stick to the rules, I know that.
Rules are rules. The law is the law. What if the rules or the law are bad though? Think about it.
I for sure have a lot to learn...you don't? Good for you! I could shoot sideons of planes on final all day long if I wanted to get all my shots on a.net., but then I might as well collect stamps...
Rotate From Switzerland, joined Feb 2003, 1479 posts, RR: 18 Reply 14, posted (7 years 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 1429 times:
Quoting Gismoswiss (Reply 13): I could shoot sideons of planes on final all day long if I wanted to get all my shots on a.net., but then I might as well collect stamps...
GVerbeeck From Belgium, joined Mar 2005, 245 posts, RR: 26 Reply 15, posted (7 years 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 1400 times:
Quoting Gismoswiss (Reply 13): I could shoot sideons of planes on final all day long if I wanted to get all my shots on a.net., but then I might as well collect stamps...
It's really all too easy to blame rejections on other people, isn't it? Take it or leave it, but side-on slides have always been the preferred type of shots by aviation enthusiasts (before the advent of digital photography). If you are in doubt, just have a look at all the online auctions of exotic and rare slides and at the huge crowd slideshooter conventions draw, even up to today. Have they all been obeying "bad" laws? I've seen people paying tens of euros just for one "bad" slide...
Yet that doesn't mean that A.net is not encouraging uploaders to share different types of shots. On the contrary, you'll probably find most of the high-hitters to be unconventional types of shots; they are highly appealing to most visitors because they offer a totally different sight on aviation. People who are familiar with my work know that 95% of my shots on A.net are "boring" conventional shots; that doesn't mean though that I (or any A.net screener) think of these "different" shots as inferior. They are just bound to the same rules as regular shots. You've cut up the left engine and your shot got rejected. If you would have taken an approach shot and you would have cut off the nose, it would have been rejected as well. There is no excuse in blaming other people or "the law" for the fact that you tripped the shutter too early or too late. These things happen to anyone and only practice makes perfect.
And if you really think shooting side-ons is a guarantee to have all your shots accepted, I would say: why don't you give it a try? You will see that shooting side-ons - in the sense of full-frame non-croppable slides that are fit for collecting/trading/selling - isn't actually as easy as collecting stamps and that it can be a rewarding kind of photography as well.
Gismoswiss From Switzerland, joined Jul 2005, 12 posts, RR: 0 Reply 16, posted (7 years 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 1351 times:
Did I ever say that side-on slideshooters are obeying bad laws? that's why I never say anything on any of the threads here on a.net.! Whatever you say someone misinterprets it.
I shoot slides myself and I perfectly well know how hard it is to get the plane just where you want it. I meant shooting side-ons with a DSLR, which, I hope you agree on that one, is rather easy. To just shoot planes from the same angle is just not my style. I miss the creative process in terms of making up a shot in your mind there. If you felt offended there, well I'm sorry.
I can live with that rejection, of course, I'm not a nut. I have a life! When reading all of the answers on here to my thread and I come out as a total idiot who just randomly blames everyone. I don't like that as that's really not what I am about. I fight for my point of view and everyone else for theirs...such is life.
JumboJim747 From Australia, joined Oct 2004, 2462 posts, RR: 50 Reply 17, posted (7 years 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 1342 times:
Giovanni
Great to see someone defending the humble Side on shot.
There has been a lot of mockers of late for this motive that they conceder boring but at the end of the day if you produce hundreds of different shots of what ever motive you prefer a Side on shot is the one that truly portrays the look of an airliner.
Cheers
JeffM From United States of America, joined May 2005, 3266 posts, RR: 53 Reply 19, posted (7 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 1239 times:
Newark777 From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 9348 posts, RR: 33 Reply 20, posted (7 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 1231 times:
Quoting JeffM (Reply 19): with your RR of 1, you don't do anyone any favors when you add them to yours. You just drag people down!
Wrong. You can't be dragged down by having low RR people respect you.
JeffM From United States of America, joined May 2005, 3266 posts, RR: 53 Reply 22, posted (7 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 1191 times:
Newark777 From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 9348 posts, RR: 33 Reply 23, posted (7 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 1190 times:
Quoting JeffM (Reply 22): LOL....do the math Harry....do the math.
I don't have to do the math, I read the site related forum. Add it's kind of hard to do the math of you don't have a formula to work with. Think a little bit, Jeff.
JeffM From United States of America, joined May 2005, 3266 posts, RR: 53 Reply 24, posted (7 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 1182 times:
Quoting Newark777 (Reply 23): don't have to do the math, I read the site related forum. Add it's kind of hard to do the math of you don't have a formula to work with. Think a little bit, Jeff.
Good for you Harry! Now work on your comprehension.
Think a little? LOL....About what? I'll say it again. Do the math. It's not that hard to figure out, should be easy for an "Engineering Student".
ROFLMAO...
25 INNflight: No, for sure not. I guess most of us take discussions on this forum too personal. Guys it's just a hobby, sharing our work on a homepage with the peo
26 CHabu: That's the whole point i guess. In the 'early' days i took rejections very hard, but at some point i realized it's not my loss if the photo's don't g
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