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User currently offlineAdamWright From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (8 years 8 months 2 weeks 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 2240 times:

Just wondering if anyone is going to be out at Dulles on Thursday to witness and document the end of Independence?

-Adam

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User currently offlineD L X From United States of America, joined May 1999, 11336 posts, RR: 52
Reply 1, posted (8 years 8 months 2 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 2227 times:

I'm going to try, but I really have no idea where it's good to spot there.


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User currently offlineSunilgupta From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 782 posts, RR: 13
Reply 2, posted (8 years 8 months 2 weeks 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 2202 times:

For the morning: Go to Parking Garage 2. Top level may be closed but you can park on level four and walk up.

For the afternoon (assuming winds from the north): Go to the Smithsonian Udvar-Hazy museum parking lot. We usually go all the way to the south end of the lot where there are less cars and its easier to shoot over the trees.

At the moment the weather looks good for the afternoon (no doubt it will change between now and then) so I will probably try for the afternoon (if my job lets me).

Hope to see some people out there.

Sunil


User currently offlineD L X From United States of America, joined May 1999, 11336 posts, RR: 52
Reply 3, posted (8 years 8 months 2 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 2159 times:

Sunil, Udvar-Hazy parking lot is $12!!! Holy crap! So, I parked on the access road and shot from the field.

Adam, it was fun running from the cops with you today.

-Damon



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User currently offlineAdamWright From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (8 years 8 months 2 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 2147 times:

Damon,

It was great meeting you! I don't know hardly any of the Washington/Baltimore photographers and its the closest major airport to my hometown.. So, meeting you was a real treat!

Yeah, those MWAA cops have attitude. Probably would have been best to call ahead and advise them that we would be taking photographs from the southside near the museum, but then you're taking a chance at them saying No and not being able to shoot at all from that spot.

The Udvar Hazy Museum parking lot cost 12 dollars up until 4pm, btw. I talked to the lady in the booth today before you arrived, and she told me that after 4pm, you can come in and park for free. And, it would be totally absurd if they tried to stop us from taking photos from the Museum Parking lot. After all, its a Museum designed to attract Aviation Enthusiasts that has been built right next to an approach path. If they tried to shoo us from that parking lot, (LIke the officer today said might happen in the future) It would be ludacris. AIrport - Aviation Museum.. people are going to take pictures of the traffic goingby the museum. If they didnt want us taking photos and experienceing the Dulles Airport Traffic, they should have built that museum off in the hollars around Manassas or something.

Okay.. i've ranted enough. Good to meet you today and Hope we can do it again sometime in the future.. (without all the mungo jungo from the police!)

-Adam


User currently offlineGOCAPS16 From Japan, joined Jan 2000, 4346 posts, RR: 20
Reply 5, posted (8 years 8 months 2 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 2142 times:

Quoting AdamWright (Reply 4):
It was great meeting you! I don't know hardly any of the Washington/Baltimore photographers and its the closest major airport to my hometown.. So, meeting you was a real treat!

Your not the only one, Adam. I've lived in Northern Virginia since 1993 and probably since I joined airliners.net, I've only met like 1 or 2 local DC photographer. Ever since after 9/11, they shut down that access road for spotting. Before 9/11, used to be a great place to make pictures and the gate guard usually doesn't have a problem if you ask.

Kevin


User currently offlineDLKAPA From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (8 years 8 months 2 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 2142 times:

Quoting AdamWright (Reply 4):
off in the hollars around Manassas or something.

He said "hollars" haha... spoken like a true hillbilly  Wink


User currently offlineD L X From United States of America, joined May 1999, 11336 posts, RR: 52
Reply 7, posted (8 years 8 months 2 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 2133 times:

Quoting AdamWright (Reply 4):
The Udvar Hazy Museum parking lot cost 12 dollars up until 4pm, btw.

Really? Well, now I know where I'm spotting IAD from now on. And more importantly, at what time.

Now the big question is, where will those rows and rows of Indy planes be?

So sad to see them go. Also sad that the only shot I got of one was from behind a fence with a hill in the way.  Sad

As for permission, you can always call ahead and ask for permission before giving your name...  Wink



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User currently offlineSunilgupta From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 782 posts, RR: 13
Reply 8, posted (8 years 8 months 1 week 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 2108 times:

Sorry guys, I neglected to mention the parking fee because most of us have the yearly membership to the museum which gets us in for free. You can get the parking pass by becoming a member... I think the cost is $100/yr.

http://www.nasm.si.edu/getinvolved/membership/annual_parking.cfm

A couple of us where there and we saw you, but you were gone by the time we came out.

Sunil


User currently offlineGOCAPS16 From Japan, joined Jan 2000, 4346 posts, RR: 20
Reply 9, posted (8 years 8 months 1 week 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 2091 times:

Sunil pointed out some good information. I haven't heard about this until now. Thanks Sunil. I may have to get the parking pass eventually in the springtime. Still, a great savings for those who visit IAD frequently.

Kevin


User currently offlineD L X From United States of America, joined May 1999, 11336 posts, RR: 52
Reply 10, posted (8 years 8 months 1 week 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 2090 times:

Quoting Sunilgupta (Reply 8):
A couple of us where there and we saw you, but you were gone by the time we came out.

Yeah, the IAD 5-O rounded us up and sent us on our way. Such is (post-9/11) life.



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User currently offlineBwione From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 106 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (8 years 8 months 1 week 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 2064 times:

Actually, D L X, such is life when you ignore the "No Parking" signs that are posted in the area!

User currently offlineAdamWright From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (8 years 8 months 1 week 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 2047 times:

Quoting Bwione (Reply 11):
Actually, D L X, such is life when you ignore the "No Parking" signs that are posted in the area!

Those signs are posted on the main road not on the service road that leads into the airport interior which we were pulled off on. So, technically we wen't disobeying those signs.  Wink

-Adam


User currently offlineD L X From United States of America, joined May 1999, 11336 posts, RR: 52
Reply 13, posted (8 years 8 months 1 week 4 days ago) and read 2032 times:

Quoting AdamWright (Reply 12):
Those signs are posted on the main road not on the service road that leads into the airport interior which we were pulled off on. So, technically we wen't disobeying those signs.

Right. Or else we would have been ticketed, not just chased away.



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User currently offlineLindy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (8 years 8 months 1 week 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 2008 times:

Quoting D L X (Reply 3):
Udvar-Hazy parking lot is $12!!! Holy crap! So, I parked on the access road and shot from the field.

Adam, it was fun running from the cops with you today.

That was really stupid of you. If I see anybody parked under the apporach again I'll call the cops myself.
What part of "NO PARKING" don't you understand?
We have worked hard to get us where we are right now, and you can mess it up just like that.
If you don't have $12 for parking then you should go to DCA instead. There you can spot for free.

Rafal


User currently offlineD L X From United States of America, joined May 1999, 11336 posts, RR: 52
Reply 15, posted (8 years 8 months 1 week 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 1996 times:

Quoting Lindy (Reply 14):
That was really stupid of you. If I see anybody parked under the apporach again I'll call the cops myself.
What part of "NO PARKING" don't you understand?

For the last time, we weren't illegally parked!!!! That's why we didn't get a ticket. GEEBUS. We were not under the approach path, we were not parked in a marked no-parking area (although, I would assume that they will now mark it), and we were (far) outside the fence. Hell, we couldn't even see the runway from where we were.


BTW, I'm a law student. Do you really think I would risk my career by "running from cops" (a felony), or can you see that I was making a joke? Fact is, I had a nice little conversation with the cop about Independence Air while they were running our licenses. Then he let us go.

Quoting Lindy (Reply 14):
That was really stupid of you.

What would be really stupid would be assuming something about an event you did not witness.

Quoting Lindy (Reply 14):
We have worked hard to get us where we are right now, and you can mess it up just like that.

OR, perhaps by writing here about our experience, it will strengthen the community because readers will now know that although it appears to be legal, spotting from this point will cause the police to come shoo you away.



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User currently offlineLindy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (8 years 8 months 1 week 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 1986 times:

Quoting D L X (Reply 15):
What would be really stupid would be assuming something about an event you did not witness.

Actually I saw everything. There are much better places to take approach shots on runway 1R anyway.

Last time police checked my ID at IAD year ago. Why? Because I stay in authorized places and l always call ops to let them know about myself.

Quoting D L X (Reply 15):
OR, perhaps by writing here about our experience, it will strengthen the community because readers will now know that although it appears to be legal, spotting from this point will cause the police to come shoo you away.

Out of town A.net users (and others) tend to contact me or other local guys before they come to spot at IAD DCA and BWI. Why? Because you can't find better source for spotting places around our local airports. I even created map with best 'legal' photography places around IAD, in addition to schedule and preffered runway use.

Because you are at IAD twice a month it doesn't mean that you can ruin it for us who visit IAD almost daily.

If I'm planning on visiting out of state airport first I will contact local guys and ask them about legal spotting locations. Sure, I could go to any airport I want and shoot from any place I wish - but I'm not an ass, and I respect unwritten spotting rules.

If you keep doing what you are doing, you will help IAD become second Denver.

Rafal


User currently offlineD L X From United States of America, joined May 1999, 11336 posts, RR: 52
Reply 17, posted (8 years 8 months 1 week 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 1976 times:

Quoting Lindy (Reply 16):
Actually I saw everything.

Then you know we didn't run from any cops, and instead went to them as they approached.

Quoting Lindy (Reply 16):
Out of town A.net users (and others) tend to contact me or other local guys before they come to spot at IAD DCA and BWI. Why? Because you can't find better source for spotting places around our local airports.

Then should I thank you for providing this helpful information before I went?
Where To Spot At IAD For Final Shots Of Indy (by D L X Jan 3 2006 in Aviation Photography)
As you can see, I was trying to get information about legal spots to shoot photos well before I went, with no avail.

Quoting Lindy (Reply 16):
Because you are at IAD twice a month it doesn't mean that you can ruin it for us who visit IAD almost daily.

With all due respect, you're beginning to become a jerk. Why this pissing match? Why this sense of ownership? What makes you think I'm trying to "ruin it" for you?

If you want to help, please help. If you don't want to help, that's fine, but don't think for a second that I'm some maverick trying to cause trouble. All I want to do is take pictures of airplanes.

And for what it's worth, I'm a local. I grew up watching the Concorde fly over my house every afternoon at 1pm. Just because you haven't seen me until now does not mean that I have not been around.

EDIT: I don't want to continue this bickering on this board. Please contact me via email.

[Edited 2006-01-10 20:18:51]

[Edited 2006-01-10 20:19:12]


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User currently offlineAdamWright From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (8 years 8 months 1 week 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 1953 times:

Yeah, Why didnt you come over Rafal to let us know we were doing something that would end up putting a damper on the photographers relationship with MWAA you claim you've worked on for all these years? Woulda been nice to have met you...

And why not posting here to let us know that you'd be out there, that way, we could have gone ahead and met you at the parking lot and not have gotten a visit from the police. So before you come out like some keyboard warrior.. please understand we had no bad intentions to ruin you're "progress"

Hope to see you next time
-Adam

PS.. for the record I got a sweet shot of that FLyI A319 thursday afternoon  Wink

[Edited 2006-01-10 23:14:10]

User currently offlineMidway DC9-10 From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 265 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (8 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 1913 times:

Hey guys,

I don't want to get in between this argument but I do understand where Rafal is coming from. He was very helpful to me last summer when I posted a question about DC airports. He told me of the problems they had after 9/11 and the progress they made with the authorities. Please give him some slack as he is just trying to protect the rights put in place from his hard work.

I think it is admirable for him to respect people of other cities regarding aviation photo opps. Many of us love to travel to other cities for this adventure but he is right about respecting the spotting rules.

Once again, I am not pointing fingers at anyone since I wasn't there either but please listen to Rafal. I admire him for his efforts in working with the authorities and he is always willing to help other photographers when asked.

Hopefully, you can talk this out via email.

Just my two cents!

Dave


User currently offlineDLX737200 From United States of America, joined May 2001, 1910 posts, RR: 19
Reply 20, posted (8 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 1909 times:

Quoting Midway DC9-10 (Reply 19):
I don't want to get in between this argument but I do understand where Rafal is coming from. He was very helpful to me last summer when I posted a question about DC airports. He told me of the problems they had after 9/11 and the progress they made with the authorities. Please give him some slack as he is just trying to protect the rights put in place from his hard work.

I think it is admirable for him to respect people of other cities regarding aviation photo opps. Many of us love to travel to other cities for this adventure but he is right about respecting the spotting rules.

Once again, I am not pointing fingers at anyone since I wasn't there either but please listen to Rafal. I admire him for his efforts in working with the authorities and he is always willing to help other photographers when asked.

I also don't wanna get in the middle of this but I agree with Midway 100%. He really helped myself and 727Lover in February of 05 for the weekend we were up there. We had an awesome time at IAD and he helped show us how we could achieve this great time. Thanks again Rafal.

This is not directed at D L X or Adam but I wanted to share this:

This reminds me of the other day when I was driving through MCO and I saw two guys pulling off the access road right under the approach to 18L right just past a "No Parking" sign and they got out with a tripod and point and shoot cameras to take pictures (facing the sunlight, as a matter of fact) of the incoming air traffic. Needless to say, they were stopped, and possibly ticketed by police in about 2 minutes. Some people here in Orlando just don't think and that's probably why MCO has such a negative attitude against us photographers. If only everyone followed the unwritten rules.

-Justin


User currently offlineD L X From United States of America, joined May 1999, 11336 posts, RR: 52
Reply 21, posted (8 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 1899 times:

Quoting Midway DC9-10 (Reply 19):
please listen to Rafal.

How can I listen to someone who only speaks after the fact? I asked for help, and no one gave it. That's not a mark against anyone, since for all I know, people were busy enjoying the holidays, not reading this board.

But if someone asked for help, and you didn't offer any, it takes a lot of nerve to attack him for not taking your un-offered help.

I haven't received any emails from Rafal. I would like to settle this, because I do plan on spotting at IAD again, and interacting with other IAD spotters. Rafal, would you like to help me? Help will be repaid in beer.

Quoting Midway DC9-10 (Reply 19):
He was very helpful to me last summer when I posted a question about DC airports.



Quoting DLX737200 (Reply 20):
He really helped myself and 727Lover in February of 05 for the weekend we were up there.

I would much rather be able to say the same, as opposed to writing about being detained by cops.



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User currently offlineMidway DC9-10 From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 265 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (8 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 1890 times:

DLX,

I understand that you tried to get help and didn't receive it. Perhaps no one was reading the boards at the time as suggested. I am sure Rafal would gladly accept some beer in exchange for spotting help for future trips.

Once again, I am not trying to take anyone's side. I just wanted point out the fact that Rafal is very helpful and I am sure he will contact you.

Dave


User currently offlineGOCAPS16 From Japan, joined Jan 2000, 4346 posts, RR: 20
Reply 23, posted (8 years 8 months 1 week 22 hours ago) and read 1850 times:

Personally, IAD is very limited in the afternoon...very few decent spots to shoot. The acess road was a great spot before 9/11, but ended being shutdown, so I do not go there anymore. Signature Flight Support was also a decent spot to take pictures, but some bystander will eventually call the authories..who knows, you might have a cool person that will let you stay or maybe they'll ask you to leave. This is WASHINGTON D.C, so most of the airport cops here are pretty anal.

Save your money and buy yourself a membership at the museum. It's a great hang-out spot, but only problem is it can get boring for Mr. Wright.  Smile I guess he wanted to pull a Macgyver and hopefully no authories would see him. Sorry Adam, maybe next time, bud.

BTW, just curious, Who's idea was it to go to the acess road? D L X or Adam?

Kevin


User currently offlineDLKAPA From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (8 years 8 months 1 week 19 hours ago) and read 1844 times:

Quoting Lindy (Reply 16):
If you keep doing what you are doing, you will help IAD become second Denver.

Actually our relations with the man are pretty good right now. They have some of our plates (including mine) and know that when that plate number gets called in that it's just us and we know what's legal and what isn't. Sometimes Romero or Lucero pop by to say Hi, but other than them and rent-a-cop (annoying, braind-dead, and ill-coordinated with DPD for the most part but the supervisors are really cool, met them once) we have no trouble.


User currently offlineD L X From United States of America, joined May 1999, 11336 posts, RR: 52
Reply 25, posted (8 years 8 months 1 week 9 hours ago) and read 1827 times:

As a postscript to this thread, I'd like to note that I've been in contact with Rafal, and he has been exceedingly helpful. A public criticism deserves a public apology and public thanks, so here it is. Thanks Rafal! Great map, and great tips.


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