Mikephotos From United States of America, joined Oct 2000, 2923 posts, RR: 56 Reply 3, posted (11 years 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 1661 times:
Yes, creativity is great but for me if I had to choose from a creative shot of hot new plane or the boring old ramp shot, you know what will win. When shooting, it's sometimes very difficult to be creative without missing chances of getting the perfect side-on shots. For me, I'd rather shooting the boring side-ons all day with a few creative shots here-and-there rather than the oppisite. I know, some of you think that is just crazy but I just can't help it. But, sometimes the mission of getting the perfect (or close to it) side-on shots require you to be creative -- just ask our good friend Felix up in YUL
Bodobodo From Canada, joined May 2000, 553 posts, RR: 13 Reply 5, posted (11 years 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 1619 times:
I have to agree with Michael There was a lot of creativity (and some fast driving ) involved in first finding out where the plane would be heading, picking out an appropriate location, and choosing exactly where to position oneself for the best shot. The visiting NYC photographers that I showed around YUL a little over a week ago gave me a new appreciation for what goes into a "boring" (not my opinion) side on shot. While the very final act of pressing the button to take the picture is quite straightforward everything leading up to getting the shot set up perfectly isn't and it requires planning and quick action. While I don't have the type of access that would let me get a perfect close up 50mm ramp shot my first priority when seeing an aircraft for the first time is to get a good, clean side-on shot, if possible. Once I have that then I will experiment and try to be more creative.
Considering the number of photographs and photographers on Airliners.net I think that there's more than enough room for all kinds of photographs whether they are side-on 50mm ramp shots, cockpit shots, approach shots, rotation shots, shots with motorboats, shots with contrails, shots with different celestial bodies, shots with wildlife... Aviation photography has a lot of styles and means different things to different people. Don't take this the wrong way, Vasco, as I do enjoy your photographs but somebody with completely different tastes than yours could look at your photographs and complain that in a lot of them you don't see the whole aircraft, the registration, or much of the plane at all. In some the plane is barely recognizable. Considering that this is a site devoted to photographs of airliners whose complaint would be more valid? Again I'm not criticizing your photos personally as I do like them but I'm just trying to turn the tables a little. If the standard shots are getting accepted to the complete exclusion of yours then I can see some reason for complaining (preferably directly to Johan and not directly naming the person or giving hints about who it is in this forum as has been very common lately). However, if in a particular case Johan's editorial policy is not having a negative effect on yourself or anyone else then why should we care? If Johan feels that both types of shots are acceptable and ads them to the database then that only makes the database more complete. Shouldn't we really be using this forum to discuss equipment, film, scanning, spotting locations, special planes visiting an airport, and the like instead of always feeling the need to criticize others? Now that the upload queue has been reduced to virtually nothing I suppose we need something else to complain about.
Ckw From UK - England, joined Aug 2010, 545 posts, RR: 17 Reply 6, posted (11 years 10 months 2 weeks 3 days ago) and read 1604 times:
I think the creativity is still there, but "creative" uploads have not increased at the same rate as the "standard" type shot, so they become more dilluted - I think the number of standard approach shots in particular has risen at a proportionately higher rate. I'm sure part of this is people being worried about rejection. It would be a shame if people were stifling their creative urges because of this ...
I realised I was falling into this trap on my last visit to LHR. Sitting in the famous Myrtle Rd Park at the end of 27L, I'd shot off about a roll or so and realised I was bored - great location, but not very challenging. So I went off to the Queen's Bldg to try some smoking tire shots and steep departures - for certain not as many
pics of uploadable quality as I could have had - but a lot more fun!
Da fwog From United Kingdom, joined Aug 1999, 867 posts, RR: 9 Reply 7, posted (11 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 1594 times:
I'm with Colin. I have loads and load of side-on shots, and I LIKE them. But I don't get a lot of pleasure from spending a day sitting there grabbing side-on shots of everything going by... for me, as I gain more experience, I look for new challenges, so I expect more of my ouput to be so called "Creative" shots. The challenge with good side-on portraits is finding a good uncluttered spot, and then being there when the interesting stuff passes in front of it!
As plenty of people have said many times before, the side on ramp shot or approach shot is the meat and potatoes to serious aviation fans. But rest assured, there are plenty of us out there still taking "creative shots", although I think you will always find they are well outnumbered by side-on "portrait" views. Here's a very small sample of the variety of my own output from the last month...
Aer Lingus From Ireland, joined May 2000, 1527 posts, RR: 0 Reply 8, posted (11 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 1596 times:
Diversity is a nice feature to the database but nothing beats a good old side-on shot to see what wonderful machines marvel our skies. They may be technically "boring" but this site wouldn't be complete without them.
I'm a huge fan of diversity and I love both types of shots
Now to Colin RE: LHR:
LHR is great for different airlines and types all within minutes, sometimes seconds, of each other but as the endless trail of BA 757's come whizzing by it was time to catch some action
Ckw From UK - England, joined Aug 2010, 545 posts, RR: 17 Reply 9, posted (11 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 1576 times:
Thanks Chris (show-off!) and Martin - exactly what I'm talkin' about ... I think I'm becoming more interested in catching something of the magic and awe of flight than records of particular aircraft - not that I intend to give up building the collection, but I think I'll be spending more time chasing that special angle and lighting than standing by the fence.
I think it's bound to be that way for most of us - because if I get word there's something special coming in, I don't want a dramatic shot of it banging down on the runway with loads of tyre smoke, taken from an angle well down the runway with a long lens. I want a clear crisp shot from not too far away either of the aircraft on short finals, or taxying past me. When I have that "perfect" shot in the bank, THEN I'll go looking for all the dramatic stuff...
AKE0404AR From United States of America, joined May 2000, 2534 posts, RR: 50 Reply 11, posted (11 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 1551 times:
Ok, as I said in my original post....maybe it did not come across.....I don't have anything against 50mm side on shot and I am sure many many photographers enjoy looking at these shots......what I was referring to is the same vantage point and 100 different a/c. Boston has so many great locations besides the parking garage on top of terminal B......it was just an observation and no offense towards any other shooter.
I am sure that some of the viewers don't like my work b/c the reg is not visible or for some other reason.....
That is totally cool with me as you cannot please everyone's taste......and taste is certainly very subjective anyway......
Airliners.net is for everyone......side on shot, nose close up, rotation shot, line ups or even sun and moon stuff....
So I guess everyone has their own style and we'll continue that way.
Ckw From UK - England, joined Aug 2010, 545 posts, RR: 17 Reply 12, posted (11 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 1533 times:
Chris, know what you mean - if its something you've not seen before you need to be in 3 different locations to get the shots you want. Fortunately it appears that with modern science this will soon be possible - imagine having clones of yourself stationed at all possible vantage points!