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User currently offlineThierryD From Luxembourg, joined Dec 2005, 2069 posts, RR: 51
Posted (8 years 8 months 1 week 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 2280 times:
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Ok, so misty subjects are not accepted but since when are aircraft in the snow rejected!?  Confused
Any advice, especially from screeners, would be very much welcome!

http://www.airliners.net/addphotos/r...big/20060107_ra85626ELLX281205.jpg

http://www.airliners.net/addphotos/r...s/big/20060107_lxscvELLX281205.jpg

Both rejected for quality!!


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User currently offlineMartin21 From Netherlands, joined Aug 2001, 347 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (8 years 8 months 1 week 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 2272 times:

Do I see grain or snow ?  Wink

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User currently offlineJavibi From Spain, joined Oct 2004, 1371 posts, RR: 41
Reply 2, posted (8 years 8 months 1 week 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 2264 times:

Nice shots, but screeners here do not give a shit about how much you froze out there... pity.

I love the 747.

j



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User currently offlineThierryD From Luxembourg, joined Dec 2005, 2069 posts, RR: 51
Reply 3, posted (8 years 8 months 1 week 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 2241 times:
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Quoting Martin21 (Reply 1):
Do I see grain or snow ?

That is 100% pure snow...



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User currently offlineTom3 From Luxembourg, joined Apr 2004, 240 posts, RR: 2
Reply 4, posted (8 years 8 months 1 week 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 2214 times:

Hi there

Your pictures are good , can't understand the rejection reason 'Quality' ?!

Well has my snow better quality ?  laughing 


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User currently offlineSulman From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 2035 posts, RR: 32
Reply 5, posted (8 years 8 months 1 week 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 2191 times:

Well, I'm an absolute sucker for anything in snow, so I'm a bit biased, but I think these are wonderful, I love the atmosphere, and can imagine the whine of the engines and scrunch of the tires on the snow.

There's nothing really wrong quality-wise, the issue I expect is the fact that the subject is in a snowstorm, and therefore you can't see it as clearly as you'd like. If this was a reject, surely motive would be the category?



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User currently offlineAviopic From Netherlands, joined Mar 2004, 2681 posts, RR: 41
Reply 6, posted (8 years 8 months 1 week 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 2183 times:

Can you supply your exif data Thierry ?
I am afraid it's your technic that's letting you down here.

Quoting Martin21 (Reply 1):
Do I see grain or snow ?

It's probably caused by a relative long exposure given the conditions.
The trick is to shoot as fast as possible with a high ISO.


Willem



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User currently offlineThierryD From Luxembourg, joined Dec 2005, 2069 posts, RR: 51
Reply 7, posted (8 years 8 months 1 week 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 2160 times:
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Quoting Aviopic (Reply 6):
Can you supply your exif data Thierry ?

ISO 200
1/200s
F/7.1



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User currently offlineAviopic From Netherlands, joined Mar 2004, 2681 posts, RR: 41
Reply 8, posted (8 years 8 months 1 week 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 2119 times:

Quoting ThierryD (Reply 7):
ISO 200
1/200s
F/7.1

That's what I thought.
In the given conditions it is better to "freeze" the snow  Smile this way the snow will be less visible leaving you with a much more crisp photo.
Try 1/1000s probably at ISO 800 or so, noise might become a problem but I don't know what camera you are using.
It works fine with a 20D though.
One last tip: do not under expose in snowy conditions that will make it very noisy, I usually use +1 exp compensation(at least) in these conditions.


Good luck,
Willem



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User currently offlineThierryD From Luxembourg, joined Dec 2005, 2069 posts, RR: 51
Reply 9, posted (8 years 8 months 1 week 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 2113 times:
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Quoting Aviopic (Reply 8):
Try 1/1000s probably at ISO 800 or so, noise might become a problem but I don't know what camera you are using.

ISO 800 !?? I'll probably get grains big as a canonball, no!?  Confused
But anyway, I didn't want to 'freeze' the snow (it was cold enough out there!  Smile ); but then I guess if I don't want to freeze the snow it's probably another kind of shot that I (and apparently many others) like but that won't get through the new A.net criteria... those really give me headaches  Sad

BTW: using a Nikon D200



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User currently offlineNorfolkjohn From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2005, 251 posts, RR: 7
Reply 10, posted (8 years 8 months 1 week 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 2110 times:

Hi Thierry,

First of all I must say good on you for going out and shooting in such hostile conditions. I certainly like the motive of these shots and it is always good to see something out of the ordinary.

I have a few comments which may or may not be of some help. The first thing I would say is that both shots look rather washed out and flat (i.e. lacking contrast) and this is not just due to the snow storm. I'm not sure what program you are using for editing but if you look at the levels histogram in Photo Shop you can bring both the light and dark sliders in a long way before they get to the edges of the graph. This increases the contrast and to my eye gives the shots a lot more punch.

I feel the aircraft look just a little soft in both shots and perhaps another kick of USM might be in order.

I also note that the shots are a non standard size and aspect ratio and it may be better to try either 3:2 or 4:3 aspect ratio with a width of either 1200 or 1024.

The last think I would say is that it might be better not to crop out the edge of the horizontal tail fin on the TU154.

These are just my thoughts.

All the best,

John



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User currently offlineAndz From South Africa, joined Feb 2004, 8453 posts, RR: 10
Reply 11, posted (8 years 8 months 1 week 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 2009 times:
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Quoting ThierryD (Thread starter):
misty subjects are not accepted


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User currently offlineAirplanepics From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2003, 2734 posts, RR: 40
Reply 12, posted (8 years 8 months 1 week 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 2000 times:

Quoting Andz (Reply 11):

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User currently offlineNorfolkjohn From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2005, 251 posts, RR: 7
Reply 13, posted (8 years 8 months 1 week 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 1932 times:

Actually misty shots ARE accepted :


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These two were taken last October - but I admit it does depend just how thick the mist is !

John  Wink



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User currently offlineThierryD From Luxembourg, joined Dec 2005, 2069 posts, RR: 51
Reply 14, posted (8 years 8 months 1 week 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 1826 times:
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Quoting Norfolkjohn (Reply 13):
Actually misty shots ARE accepted

Your shots show only mist in the background; planes are not concerned!

Thx John for your thourough answer!

I'm somewhat disappointed that no screener commented the issue  Sad
I'd be really interested in knowing their opinion.



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User currently offlineGerardo From Spain, joined May 2000, 3481 posts, RR: 30
Reply 15, posted (8 years 8 months 1 week 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 1789 times:

Quoting Aviopic (Reply 8):
In the given conditions it is better to "freeze" the snow Smile this way the snow will be less visible leaving you with a much more crisp photo.

I would have tried the oposite and try to have "more snow" with a longer exposure time. For example like this (exp. 2.5 seconds, F10)
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But perhaps this only works on night shots? Don't know...

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User currently offlineAviopic From Netherlands, joined Mar 2004, 2681 posts, RR: 41
Reply 16, posted (8 years 8 months 1 week 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 1740 times:

Quoting Gerardo (Reply 15):
I would have tried the oposite and try to have "more snow" with a longer exposure time.

That's a cracker of a shot Gerardo  thumbsup 

Quoting Gerardo (Reply 15):
But perhaps this only works on night shots?

That's indeed the difference, you can't see snow when there is no light.
If you look closely at your photo there is only snow visible on the left side probably because of a light post but against the dark night sky above the flightdeck nothing is visible.

The same image taken with the same setting(most likely not possible) during daylight would have blocked out the aircraft due to the snow.
Which in it self can be very nice but probably not according A.net rules.


Willem



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User currently offlineGerardo From Spain, joined May 2000, 3481 posts, RR: 30
Reply 17, posted (8 years 8 months 1 week 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 1704 times:

I guess, I have to go out on daylight for aviation photography once it starts snowing again  Wink

Thanks Willem!

Gerardo



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