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User currently offlineFUAirliner From Germany, joined Jul 2001, 538 posts, RR: 3
Posted (8 years 6 months 1 week 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 1275 times:

Hi everybody,

I just got this photo rejected for centered and soft. Although I can't really see where the photo is soft, some additional sharpening is not a big deal. However, I have no clue about how I should center this photo differently ...

http://www.airliners.net/addphotos/r...19_n34315_xx_733_ham_09-jan-06.jpg

Any hints & tips are appreciated.  Smile


Frank Unterspann - Hamburg, Germany
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User currently offlineFlyfisher1976 From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 804 posts, RR: 2
Reply 1, posted (8 years 6 months 1 week 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 1269 times:

Too low in the frame

User currently offlineMartin21 From Netherlands, joined Aug 2001, 347 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (8 years 6 months 1 week 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 1250 times:

Quoting Flyfisher1976 (Reply 1):
Too low in the frame

How can you tell.... the plane is centered in the middle, unless you don't count the tail. But the average off the plane including tail is centered good !

Martin21



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User currently offlineLinco22 From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2005, 1380 posts, RR: 16
Reply 3, posted (8 years 6 months 1 week 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 1250 times:

And i think its a little soft around the nose too. A bit of selective sharpening should do the trick!

Colin  Smile


User currently offlineVasanthd From India, joined May 2005, 450 posts, RR: 9
Reply 4, posted (8 years 6 months 1 week 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 1240 times:

Quoting Flyfisher1976 (Reply 1):
Too low in the frame

Vertical centering includes the tail. Mathematically speaking this picture is perfect. But Aesthetically speaking its low in the frame. Maybe some screeners can shed some light on this.

--Vas



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User currently offlineFlyfisher1976 From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 804 posts, RR: 2
Reply 5, posted (8 years 6 months 1 week 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 1205 times:

Quoting Martin21 (Reply 2):
unless you don't count the tail.

Exactly...If you browse through similar side-on shots in the database, you will see that they are centered using the fuselage (not including the tail) for vertical reference.


User currently offlinePtrjong From Netherlands, joined Mar 2005, 3906 posts, RR: 19
Reply 6, posted (8 years 6 months 1 week 4 days ago) and read 1191 times:

I'm a pretty lousy photographer in some other respects, but I feel very confident on this issue.

You should not center on the fuselage, nor on the fuselage + fin.
Your subject is (usually) the fuselage + fin. However, the fin is much smaller than the fuselage and does not run its full length. Therefore, the fuselage is more prominent than the fin and you should account for that by moving the fuselage up a bit, moving the 'centre of gravity' of your subject up to the dead centre of the picture.

Quoting Vasanthd (Reply 4):
Aesthetically speaking its low in the frame

Right.

Quoting Vasanthd (Reply 4):
Mathematically speaking this picture is perfect.

Well, that depends on how you calculate. I believe that one could actually calculate the aesthetic centre of a photo's subject, by measuring the areas of the different parts of the subject (in this case, fuselage, fin and a tiny bit of engine and landing gear). Then you could actually calculate the 'centre of gravity' of the subject.

Peter



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User currently offlinePtrjong From Netherlands, joined Mar 2005, 3906 posts, RR: 19
Reply 7, posted (8 years 6 months 1 week 4 days ago) and read 1189 times:

By the way, I don't think this picture was rejected for its centering - that would be a bit harsh, and I don't think the screeners are harsh in centering matters at all. It was rejected for the other issue, and you're asked to improve the centering as well.


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User currently offlineFUAirliner From Germany, joined Jul 2001, 538 posts, RR: 3
Reply 8, posted (8 years 6 months 1 week 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 1151 times:

Quoting Ptrjong (Reply 7):
By the way, I don't think this picture was rejected for its centering - that would be a bit harsh, and I don't think the screeners are harsh in centering matters at all. It was rejected for the other issue, and you're asked to improve the centering as well.

That would explain why I never had problems with my centering in the past although I haven't changed anything over the past years. Thanks for your comments, everybody!  Smile

http://www.airliners.net/addphotos/r...19_d-aknm_4u_319_ham_09-jan-06.jpg

Rejected for soft only ...  Confused



Frank Unterspann - Hamburg, Germany
User currently offlineJid From Barbados, joined Dec 2004, 972 posts, RR: 32
Reply 9, posted (8 years 6 months 1 week 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 1138 times:

Quoting FUAirliner (Reply 8):
Rejected for soft only ...

Yep because its soft !!!
A touch more USM in a few places should sort it.

Jid.



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User currently offlineFUAirliner From Germany, joined Jul 2001, 538 posts, RR: 3
Reply 10, posted (8 years 6 months 1 week 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 1135 times:

Quoting Jid (Reply 9):
Yep because its soft !!!
A touch more USM in a few places should sort it.

Hi Jid,

thanks, that's what I planned to do.  Wink

I'm just confused because the centering in this shot seems OK although it is centered exactly the same way as the first shot which was also rejected for this reason beside the softness.



Frank Unterspann - Hamburg, Germany
User currently offlineFlyfisher1976 From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 804 posts, RR: 2
Reply 11, posted (8 years 6 months 1 week 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 1122 times:

Quoting FUAirliner (Reply 10):
I'm just confused because the centering in this shot seems OK

I'm not sure what's confusing about this...When I opened the file the first thing that hit me was that it appeared too low in the frame. The vertical stabilizer is only a small piece of the aircraft, the fuselage of which is much larger in comparison. The fact that the vertical stab occupies such a small part of the frame makes the entire shot seem unbalanced. The majority of the frame is occupied by the fuselage and should be centered vertically:


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Photo © Joseph A. Del Guidice



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Photo © Joseph A. Del Guidice



User currently offlineJid From Barbados, joined Dec 2004, 972 posts, RR: 32
Reply 12, posted (8 years 6 months 1 week 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 1122 times:

It would be a touch lower than I would crop it but really the crop looks fine. Having the image so large will not help you with your sharpening process, if you reduce the width to 1024px you should find the overall process easier to handle.

Good luck .. Jid



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User currently offlinePtrjong From Netherlands, joined Mar 2005, 3906 posts, RR: 19
Reply 13, posted (8 years 6 months 1 week 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 1113 times:

Quoting Flyfisher1976 (Reply 11):
I'm not sure what's confusing about this...

Frank says he's confused because his latter shot was not rejected for centering. However, like I said, the screeners are not harsh in this matter, and you just can't expect every one of them to come to exactly the same conclusion in every one situation. They're human.

Joseph, I don't want to defend my point to death, but I personally think your planes are slightly high in the frame, because you ignore the fin completely when centering.

This is how I do it, somewhere in between, but giving the fuselage a greater say than the fin:

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Photo © Peter de Jong



Peter wave 



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User currently offlineFUAirliner From Germany, joined Jul 2001, 538 posts, RR: 3
Reply 14, posted (8 years 6 months 1 week 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 1096 times:

Quoting Flyfisher1976 (Reply 11):
I'm not sure what's confusing about this...When I opened the file the first thing that hit me was that it appeared too low in the frame. The vertical stabilizer is only a small piece of the aircraft, the fuselage of which is much larger in comparison. The fact that the vertical stab occupies such a small part of the frame makes the entire shot seem unbalanced. The majority of the frame is occupied by the fuselage and should be centered vertically:

I am confused that one shot (the ex-Continental 737) was rejected for centered while the other one (the Germanwings A319) seems to be alright (like many before), although they are both centered in the exact same way.

Btw, in your shots the planes look to high in frame to me, in both cases the whole picture looks slightly unbalanced.

I have reuploaded both pictures with additional USM and with the plane placed slightly higher in the frame, hopefully they get accepted now.



Frank Unterspann - Hamburg, Germany
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