AlitaliaMD11 From Spain, joined Dec 2003, 4068 posts, RR: 15 Reply 7, posted (7 years 3 months 3 weeks 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 3168 times:
I sent the photo to Northwest yesterday and got a reply back today saying that they were going to blow the photo up to a 6x by 8x poster! He said that NWA has 10,000 flight attendants and each one of them comes in for an annual flight training program and it will be the first thing they see when the walk through the door!
Nscaler From United States of America, joined Aug 1999, 243 posts, RR: 5 Reply 15, posted (7 years 3 months 3 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 2910 times:
It is too late now, but in the future, you need to negotiate compensation before you send them the photos.
6ft x 8ft posters aren't cheap to make. And how is your photography recognized by giving the image away? Nobody will know you took that photo. Wouldn't it be better to try and make some of the money back you used to purchase your equipment?
MidnightMike From United States of America, joined Mar 2003, 2892 posts, RR: 16 Reply 18, posted (7 years 3 months 3 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 2887 times:
Quoting AlitaliaMD11 (Thread starter): I just got an email from a manager in the inflight training department at NWA. He wants to make a large poster of this photo:
Wow, congrats to you! That is a proud accomplisment and one that you should be very proud of. However, don't sell yourself short, they offered a tour of the Training Center, I would have asked for a R/T ticket as well....
I'm not sure who wrote that standard, or where they got those figures - but one thing I AM sure about is that they are living in a fairytale. As an airline photographer who has done photo shoots for several airlines, I can tell you that $2700 for a 30"x40" print is nothing more than a wet dream. It's simply not happening. Not even at the lower end price of $1,350.
While it is sometimes fun to sit back and watch the a.net community openly chastize someone for "giving away a photo" let's keep in mind that this young man is 14 years old. Let's give him a break, shall we?
Nscaler From United States of America, joined Aug 1999, 243 posts, RR: 5 Reply 21, posted (7 years 3 months 3 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 2792 times:
Quoting Viv (Reply 20): Nonsense. He does not "need" to do this. It's a free world. He can give away a photo if he wants to. Nobody's business but his own.
You're right. But, if you want or expect compensation then it really needs to be negotiated before you send them a high res image and agree to their terms. This isn't rocket science.
But the idea to give a photo away for free to a major airline, with major expenditures, is wrong. I ask again, why should you let a company take advantage of your time, investment and years of training?
Quoting Viv (Reply 20): And he has every right to feel proud!
As he should. For a young photographer, requests like these validate their hard work getting started in photography and spending all that time learning how to create and edit a good image. But the learning doesn't stop there. It continues as they gain experience negotiating and dealing with companies and individuals so that the photographer can receive the proper compensation (monetary and/or otherwise) and recognition (little as it usually is). There are many things to learn about photography, and taking decent photos is only the first step.
So...how will I, as a (hypothetical) member of Northwest Airlines know you took that photo? What if someone wants to buy a copy of that photo? They won't know where to find it.
I'm not going to post anything about whether or not you should have been paid for it...you can search the forum for my ideas on this subject. Regardless though, the photo credit should be something you should have asked for.
Live and learn.
Quoting AndrewUber (Reply 19): As an airline photographer who has done photo shoots for several airlines, I can tell you that $2700 for a 30"x40" print is nothing more than a wet dream. It's simply not happening. Not even at the lower end price of $1,350.
Ah, my friend, you couldn't be more wrong. I won't go into exact details on money I've earned from aviation photography, but $2,700 is not unheard of. Trust me, I know. I know of a few people on here that have experienced the same sort of things.
By the way, that site is not intended only for aviation photography. It's more of a freelance site for all sorts of uses. For a lot of shoots, $2,700 is awfully cheap.
The large lesson here is: what's your photography worth? Is your photography worth nothing? Or, is it worth something?
AndrewUber From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 2528 posts, RR: 44 Reply 24, posted (7 years 3 months 3 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 2761 times:
Quoting Syncmaster (Reply 23): Either way, its his deal whether he wants to earn money on it or not, whats even more wrong is for people to sit here and lecture him about it. If you don't like it, thats your problem, not his.
I agree. It's his photo. He can offer it for a pack of bubble gum if he wants to - that doesn't mean everyone else has to.