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Northwest Wants To Use One Of My Photos!  
User currently offlineAlitaliaMD11 From Spain, joined Dec 2003, 4068 posts, RR: 13
Posted (8 years 11 months 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 6424 times:

I just got an email from a manager in the inflight training department at NWA. He wants to make a large poster of this photo:



To use in their training facility.

I am defitenily going to say yes.

I guess there was no real point of the post except that I kinda feel proud of myself and I just wanted to share it with you guys.

Thanks.


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User currently offlineKFLLCFII From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 3310 posts, RR: 30
Reply 1, posted (8 years 11 months 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 6416 times:

Congrats Gordon!

(however, the photo doesn't appear)



"About the only way to look at it, just a pity you are not POTUS KFLLCFII, seems as if we would all be better off."
User currently offlineGoBoeing From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 2727 posts, RR: 15
Reply 2, posted (8 years 11 months 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 6408 times:

The link is not showing the picture from myaviation. You can make a thumbnail of it by doing this:

< maid:1092385723456 >

What is the guy's name? You can PM it to me. Congratulations! Feels good to have someone want to use your photo for something doesn't it.


User currently offlineSenorcarnival From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (8 years 11 months 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 6389 times:

Congratulations! After trying to follow the image, I saw it was from myaviation so I assumed it was either one of these two:

MyAviation.net photo:
Click here for bigger photo!
Photo © Gordon Gebert JR



MyAviation.net photo:
Click here for bigger photo!
Photo © Gordon Gebert JR


Nice shots!


User currently offlineAlitaliaMD11 From Spain, joined Dec 2003, 4068 posts, RR: 13
Reply 4, posted (8 years 11 months 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 6380 times:

Sorry that the photo link didn't work.

This is the photo:


MyAviation.net photo:
Click here for bigger photo!
Photo © Gordon Gebert JR



Thanks for the congrats  Smile



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User currently offlineRomeokc10fe From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 219 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (8 years 11 months 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 6333 times:

Can they afford it, just be sure the check doesn't bounce. ha! ha!  Big grin Nah, just kidding congratulations, hope it works out ok.

User currently offlineA388 From Netherlands Antilles, joined May 2001, 10010 posts, RR: 15
Reply 6, posted (8 years 10 months 4 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 6207 times:

Congratulations Gordon. Nice photo indeed! Big grin

A388


User currently offlineAlitaliaMD11 From Spain, joined Dec 2003, 4068 posts, RR: 13
Reply 7, posted (8 years 10 months 4 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 6189 times:

I sent the photo to Northwest yesterday and got a reply back today saying that they were going to blow the photo up to a 6x by 8x poster! He said that NWA has 10,000 flight attendants and each one of them comes in for an annual flight training program and it will be the first thing they see when the walk through the door!

Thanks again!



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User currently offlineIAH777 From United States of America, joined Mar 2008, 0 posts, RR: 4
Reply 8, posted (8 years 10 months 4 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 6150 times:

Quoting A388 (Reply 6):
Can they afford it, just be sure the check doesn't bounce.

Don't ask for too much. You don't want to be the one responsible for NWA's downfall!  biggrin 


User currently offlineINNflight From Switzerland, joined Apr 2004, 3767 posts, RR: 59
Reply 9, posted (8 years 10 months 4 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 6149 times:

Quoting IAH777 (Reply 8):
Don't ask for too much

He sent it already anyway.

Congrats, maybe ask for a free r/t ticket in return? Shouldn't be too much to ask for.



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User currently offlineAlitaliaMD11 From Spain, joined Dec 2003, 4068 posts, RR: 13
Reply 10, posted (8 years 10 months 4 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 6087 times:

Quoting INNflight (Reply 9):
Congrats, maybe ask for a free r/t ticket in return? Shouldn't be too much to ask for.

I asked if I were ever to visit the twin cities if he could give me a tour of the facility.

I though about asking for a free ticket from JFK to MSP and back but I figured that would be too much to ask for?

Any thoughts?



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User currently offlineNscaler From United States of America, joined Aug 1999, 243 posts, RR: 5
Reply 11, posted (8 years 10 months 4 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 6063 times:

Why would it be too much to ask for? It is an airline, after all.

User currently offlineAlitaliaMD11 From Spain, joined Dec 2003, 4068 posts, RR: 13
Reply 12, posted (8 years 10 months 4 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 6022 times:

Quoting Nscaler (Reply 11):
Why would it be too much to ask for? It is an airline, after all.

I'll think about it. Its just that I already sent the photo and all.



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User currently offlineGNBpix From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 32 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (8 years 10 months 4 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 6006 times:

FWIW, FotoQuote (a pricing program I referenced in www.airliners.net/discussions/aviation_photography/read.main/217910 ) suggests a range of $1,350 to $2,700 for a 30" x 40" print (that's the biggest size they list) used as wall decor in a corporate lobby.


I shoot Nikon and Canon, so I guess you could say I go both ways! : )
User currently offlineAlitaliaMD11 From Spain, joined Dec 2003, 4068 posts, RR: 13
Reply 14, posted (8 years 10 months 4 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 6001 times:

Quoting GNBpix (Reply 13):
suggests a range of $1,350 to $2,700 for a 30" x 40" print (that's the biggest size they list) used as wall decor in a corporate lobby.

Wow! A guess a photo blown up to a 6 foot by 8 foot poster must be worth a lot?

I don't really care about the money or anything I'm just really happy that my photography is being reconized and the fact that I'm only 14 makes the whole thing a lot better  Smile



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User currently offlineNscaler From United States of America, joined Aug 1999, 243 posts, RR: 5
Reply 15, posted (8 years 10 months 4 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 5931 times:

It is too late now, but in the future, you need to negotiate compensation before you send them the photos.

6ft x 8ft posters aren't cheap to make. And how is your photography recognized by giving the image away? Nobody will know you took that photo. Wouldn't it be better to try and make some of the money back you used to purchase your equipment?

Read this thread: RE: The Cost Of Giving Away Free Use Of Images... (by Nscaler Dec 31 2005 in Aviation Photography)

Your photos are worth something, don't let companies take advantage of you.

[Edited 2006-02-03 01:30:40]

User currently offlineChrisair From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 2185 posts, RR: 3
Reply 16, posted (8 years 10 months 4 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 5923 times:

Quoting AlitaliaMD11 (Reply 14):
I don't really care about the money or anything I'm just really happy that my photography is being reconized... 

Nobody is going to look at that photo and say "oh wow Gordon shot that!"

I bet you didn't even ask for a photo credit?


User currently offlineAlitaliaMD11 From Spain, joined Dec 2003, 4068 posts, RR: 13
Reply 17, posted (8 years 10 months 4 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 5913 times:

Quoting Chrisair (Reply 16):
I bet you didn't even ask for a photo credit?

No.



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User currently offlineMidnightMike From United States of America, joined Mar 2003, 2892 posts, RR: 14
Reply 18, posted (8 years 10 months 4 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 5908 times:

Quoting AlitaliaMD11 (Thread starter):
I just got an email from a manager in the inflight training department at NWA. He wants to make a large poster of this photo:

Wow, congrats to you! That is a proud accomplisment and one that you should be very proud of. However, don't sell yourself short, they offered a tour of the Training Center, I would have asked for a R/T ticket as well....



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User currently offlineAndrewUber From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 2528 posts, RR: 40
Reply 19, posted (8 years 10 months 3 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 5870 times:

Quoting GNBpix (Reply 13):
FWIW, FotoQuote (a pricing program I referenced in www.airliners.net/discussions/aviation_photography/read.main/217910 ) suggests a range of $1,350 to $2,700 for a 30" x 40" print (that's the biggest size they list) used as wall decor in a corporate lobby.

I'm not sure who wrote that standard, or where they got those figures - but one thing I AM sure about is that they are living in a fairytale. As an airline photographer who has done photo shoots for several airlines, I can tell you that $2700 for a 30"x40" print is nothing more than a wet dream. It's simply not happening. Not even at the lower end price of $1,350.

While it is sometimes fun to sit back and watch the a.net community openly chastize someone for "giving away a photo" let's keep in mind that this young man is 14 years old. Let's give him a break, shall we?

Gordon - great shot, and congratulations.  bigthumbsup 

Drew wave 



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User currently offlineViv From Ireland, joined May 2005, 3142 posts, RR: 28
Reply 20, posted (8 years 10 months 3 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 5863 times:

Quoting Nscaler (Reply 15):
you need to negotiate compensation before you send them the photos.

Nonsense. He does not "need" to do this. It's a free world. He can give away a photo if he wants to. Nobody's business but his own.

And he has every right to feel proud!

[Edited 2006-02-03 13:58:26]

[Edited 2006-02-03 13:58:52]

[Edited 2006-02-03 13:59:19]


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User currently offlineNscaler From United States of America, joined Aug 1999, 243 posts, RR: 5
Reply 21, posted (8 years 10 months 3 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 5813 times:

Quoting Viv (Reply 20):
Nonsense. He does not "need" to do this. It's a free world. He can give away a photo if he wants to. Nobody's business but his own.

You're right. But, if you want or expect compensation then it really needs to be negotiated before you send them a high res image and agree to their terms. This isn't rocket science.

But the idea to give a photo away for free to a major airline, with major expenditures, is wrong. I ask again, why should you let a company take advantage of your time, investment and years of training?

Quoting Viv (Reply 20):
And he has every right to feel proud!

As he should. For a young photographer, requests like these validate their hard work getting started in photography and spending all that time learning how to create and edit a good image. But the learning doesn't stop there. It continues as they gain experience negotiating and dealing with companies and individuals so that the photographer can receive the proper compensation (monetary and/or otherwise) and recognition (little as it usually is). There are many things to learn about photography, and taking decent photos is only the first step.

[Edited 2006-02-04 03:32:22]

User currently offlineChrisair From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 2185 posts, RR: 3
Reply 22, posted (8 years 10 months 3 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 5788 times:

Quoting AlitaliaMD11 (Reply 17):
No

So...how will I, as a (hypothetical) member of Northwest Airlines know you took that photo? What if someone wants to buy a copy of that photo? They won't know where to find it.

I'm not going to post anything about whether or not you should have been paid for it...you can search the forum for my ideas on this subject. Regardless though, the photo credit should be something you should have asked for.

Live and learn.

Quoting AndrewUber (Reply 19):
As an airline photographer who has done photo shoots for several airlines, I can tell you that $2700 for a 30"x40" print is nothing more than a wet dream. It's simply not happening. Not even at the lower end price of $1,350.

Ah, my friend, you couldn't be more wrong. I won't go into exact details on money I've earned from aviation photography, but $2,700 is not unheard of. Trust me, I know. I know of a few people on here that have experienced the same sort of things.

By the way, that site is not intended only for aviation photography. It's more of a freelance site for all sorts of uses. For a lot of shoots, $2,700 is awfully cheap.

The large lesson here is: what's your photography worth? Is your photography worth nothing? Or, is it worth something?

Good luck to you, Gordon.


User currently offlineSyncmaster From United States of America, joined Jul 2002, 2039 posts, RR: 10
Reply 23, posted (8 years 10 months 3 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 5787 times:
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Quoting Nscaler (Reply 21):
But the idea to give a photo away for free to a major airline, with major expenditures, is wrong.

One quick thing, you forgot that hes giving it for free to a bankrupt major airline.

Either way, its his deal whether he wants to earn money on it or not, whats even more wrong is for people to sit here and lecture him about it. If you don't like it, thats your problem, not his.


User currently offlineAndrewUber From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 2528 posts, RR: 40
Reply 24, posted (8 years 10 months 3 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 5782 times:

Quoting Syncmaster (Reply 23):
Either way, its his deal whether he wants to earn money on it or not, whats even more wrong is for people to sit here and lecture him about it. If you don't like it, thats your problem, not his.

I agree. It's his photo. He can offer it for a pack of bubble gum if he wants to - that doesn't mean everyone else has to.

Drew



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