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User currently offlineGBOAB From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2004, 366 posts, RR: 5
Posted (8 years 5 months 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 4942 times:

Hi
I know it is either a Vampire or a Venom but cannot be certain as I have no record of the registration
The photo was taken at Hatfield in 1989
Any help would be appreciated



Cheers

Ian


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User currently offlineSean377 From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2001, 1225 posts, RR: 41
Reply 1, posted (8 years 5 months 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 4926 times:

How about DH Venom WR410/G-BLKA?



Someone even made a model of it:

http://www.toni-clark.com/bilder/amt_meet/ven697_l.jpg

G-INFO details



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User currently offlineDerekF From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2001, 890 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (8 years 5 months 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 4909 times:

Agreed.


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Have you got an exact date in 1989? I only ask because I worked in flight test at Hatfield at the time (in the building behind the right wing in your picture) and have no record of it or the JP T4. It looks like an open day though which I think I might have missed.

Derek



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User currently offlineJan Mogren From Sweden, joined Dec 2000, 2043 posts, RR: 51
Reply 3, posted (8 years 5 months 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 4903 times:

I have always wondered what to look for when choosing Vampire/Venom.
How is it done?

/JM



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User currently offlineGBOAB From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2004, 366 posts, RR: 5
Reply 4, posted (8 years 5 months 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 4900 times:

Thanks Sean
Derek, yes it was the open day held on 1st July 1989

Cheers

Ian



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User currently offlineKukkudrill From Malta, joined Dec 2004, 1123 posts, RR: 5
Reply 5, posted (8 years 5 months 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 4886 times:

Quoting Jan Mogren (Reply 3):
I have always wondered what to look for when choosing Vampire/Venom.
How is it done?

If you mean how does one distinguish between the two aircraft, the Vampire had straight wings while the Venom had slightly swept wings. Also, I'm not 100% sure about this but only the Venom had wingtip tanks.

Charles



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User currently offlineJan Mogren From Sweden, joined Dec 2000, 2043 posts, RR: 51
Reply 6, posted (8 years 5 months 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 4880 times:

Yes, that is what I meant. So wingtip tanks = Venom. Can it be a Venom also without them or are they always there?
If so it was easier than I thought.

/JM



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User currently offlineKukkudrill From Malta, joined Dec 2004, 1123 posts, RR: 5
Reply 7, posted (8 years 5 months 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 4864 times:

Quoting Jan Mogren (Reply 6):
Can it be a Venom also without them or are they always there?

According to the little info I have, the tip tanks were detachable but almost always carried in service. Perhaps someone more knowledgeable could shed more light on this.

Charles



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User currently offlineMalandan From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2004, 380 posts, RR: 15
Reply 8, posted (8 years 5 months 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 4796 times:

I agree with Derek and Shaun, this is WR410, or more correctly, since this is a fake reg, J-1790 from it's days with the Swiss AF.

Quoting Jan Mogren (Reply 6):
So wingtip tanks = Venom. Can it be a Venom also without them or are they always there?

From my limited knowledge, the Vampire flew either with no external tanks or with underwing tanks. The Venom flew with none, tip, and with both tip and underwing tanks.
Photos illustrating these combinations are in the database.

Malcolm.



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User currently offlineJan Mogren From Sweden, joined Dec 2000, 2043 posts, RR: 51
Reply 9, posted (8 years 5 months 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 4775 times:

Thanks.
So, if there are no external tanks, how does one tell whether it is a Vampire or a Venom?
They look very much alike.

/JM



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User currently offlineSean377 From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2001, 1225 posts, RR: 41
Reply 10, posted (8 years 5 months 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 4748 times:

Quoting Jan Mogren (Reply 9):
So, if there are no external tanks, how does one tell whether it is a Vampire or a Venom?

I find the tails are where the main difference lies. The Vampire tail has a more 'sporty' look to it. The Venom's is more 'spitfire' like. The Venom tails also have a strange 'pod' thing sticking out the front!



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User currently offlineJan Mogren From Sweden, joined Dec 2000, 2043 posts, RR: 51
Reply 11, posted (8 years 5 months 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 4735 times:

Thanks.
It seems they mix into each other anyway.

Venoms:

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Photo © Jenny Coffey
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Photo © Den Pascoe


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Vampires:

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/JM

EDIT:
Safest so far seems to be the wingtip tanks on the Venom. I hope they never show up without them..

[Edited 2006-02-09 17:46:05]


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User currently offlineSean377 From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2001, 1225 posts, RR: 41
Reply 12, posted (8 years 5 months 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 4728 times:

I see what you mean. I think there are different variants of either/both aircraft. We need a specialist!


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User currently offlineMalandan From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2004, 380 posts, RR: 15
Reply 13, posted (8 years 5 months 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 4702 times:

Quoting Jan Mogren (Reply 11):
Safest so far seems to be the wingtip tanks on the Venom. I hope they never show up without them..


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Sorry, Jan, winding you up a bit!

The Venom had thinner wings with square tips and jettisonable long range wingtip tanks and therefore you are unlikely to see a Venom without it's tip tanks. The above are exceptions - they have been jettisoned / removed but the square tips give the game away!

So your'e not wrong, Jan, ............. if you see what I mean!

Malcolm.



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User currently offlineIrish251 From Ireland, joined Nov 2004, 964 posts, RR: 4
Reply 14, posted (8 years 5 months 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 4691 times:

The fuselage pod of the Venom appears bigger all round, as it had a different engine - the DH Ghost as opposed to Goblin. The pointed noses depicted above were unique to the Swiss aircraft in their later years and as can be seen have often been replaced by the original stubby one on the "warbirds" now flying.

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