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Rejected But Thought You Guys Might Like To See It  
User currently offlineJoe pries From United States of America, joined May 2000, 1957 posts, RR: 53
Posted (13 years 3 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 4333 times:

a different way to view a ramp shot taken at PHL I'ntl.....

http://www.geocities.com/hotshotsjp1/photos1/ge90us76.jpg

Joe

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User currently offlinePUnmuth@VIE From Austria, joined Aug 2000, 4163 posts, RR: 54
Reply 1, posted (13 years 3 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 4011 times:

Great shot! I like it
By the way what was the reason? Part of aircraft not visible? I didn't think that you get rejections too.  Smile/happy/getting dizzy
Peter



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User currently offlineSukhoi From Sweden, joined May 2006, 373 posts, RR: 8
Reply 2, posted (13 years 3 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 3986 times:

Joe,

Thats a great shot simply stunning and like Peter I wouldnt have thought you would have got rejections.

Its a shame shots of that quality dont make the grade, can i ask was it the "Boss" or his "boys" that rejected it? Who ever it was sure doesnt know a good shot when they see it.

Regards

Paul


User currently offlineJoe pries From United States of America, joined May 2000, 1957 posts, RR: 53
Reply 3, posted (13 years 3 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 3990 times:

Peter, I deleted the upload message, sorry, maybe one of the screeners can enlighten us as i'm assuming one of them rejected it- I really cannot remember the reason off the top of my head though.

And yes, I do get rejections at times- usually stuff thats real artsy but I guess doesnt fit the mold for some reason- what can you do, for the most part I never really have a problem.

Joe


User currently offlineThom@s From Norway, joined Oct 2000, 11953 posts, RR: 46
Reply 4, posted (13 years 3 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 3968 times:

It certainly is artistic, but not quite airliners.net material in my mind. Nice pic though.

Thom@s



"If guns don't kill people, people kill people - does that mean toasters don't toast toast, toast toast toast?"
User currently offlineJoe pries From United States of America, joined May 2000, 1957 posts, RR: 53
Reply 5, posted (13 years 3 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 3969 times:

Hey Paul,
I didnt understand either but like i said for the most part theres never a problem except sometimes i put in some real off the wall stuff (like the photo in question) and last month i uploaded an interesting shot of an AF A321 tail section with the Daimler Chrysler sign on the Airbus plant in Hamburg (a tough shot to get as you have to be in the production ramp) and it was rejected- so you never know.

Joe


User currently offlineGranite From UK - Scotland, joined May 1999, 5568 posts, RR: 64
Reply 6, posted (13 years 3 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 3952 times:
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Hi all

I think Joe is on the 'travel list' so it would have been Johan himself that rejected it.

Regards
Gary Watt
Aberdeen, Scotland


User currently offlineSukhoi From Sweden, joined May 2006, 373 posts, RR: 8
Reply 7, posted (13 years 3 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 3944 times:

Johan

Where's your imagination gone?

Regards

Paul


User currently offlineDSMav8r From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 579 posts, RR: 7
Reply 8, posted (13 years 3 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 3935 times:

I think that is a fantastic shot! I guess the screeners couldn't see the artistic and creative quality of the shot.


Aric Thalman
Omaha, USA



To most people, the sky is the limit. To those who love aviation, the sky is home
User currently offlineSukhoi From Sweden, joined May 2006, 373 posts, RR: 8
Reply 9, posted (13 years 3 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 3926 times:

Maybe time for an artistic / creative section?

Im sure there are a few people who could contribute some nice shots.

What about it Johan?

Regards

Paul


User currently offlineAKE0404AR From United States of America, joined May 2000, 2535 posts, RR: 46
Reply 10, posted (13 years 3 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 3926 times:

See, that is what I am talking about....sometimes there is no place for creativity. Sad but true....

Joe, maybe you can convince Johan to rethink his action and upload that shot anyway........

If not I guess it has a great place in your personal portfolio.

I personally like it......but then again, taste is different.

Vasco


User currently offlineDSMav8r From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 579 posts, RR: 7
Reply 11, posted (13 years 3 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 3921 times:

Amen to that, Paul... I think Mark and Vasco's shots alone are excuse enough for one.  Smile


Aric Thalman
Omaha, USA



To most people, the sky is the limit. To those who love aviation, the sky is home
User currently offlineEGGD From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2001, 12443 posts, RR: 35
Reply 12, posted (13 years 3 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 3918 times:

That shot is great, its a shame that such imagination is not greated with so much enthusiasm by the Boss  Sad

talking about artistic, take a look at this shot that i found whilst browsing the net:





Oh well, nice pic anyway!

Cheers

Dan


User currently offlineCkw From UK - England, joined Aug 2010, 732 posts, RR: 16
Reply 13, posted (13 years 3 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 3919 times:

It really is a shame that this kind of shot can't get in - done well an "artsy" shot can tell us more about an aircraft and its environment than the perfect profile shot. Futhermore, it is what many people (esp. commercial orgs.) are looking for - something "special" that will leap off the page.

Personally I'm beginning to get much more interested in capturing something "different" - standard shots are becoming a tad boring ... and when the photographer's bored, the audience won't be long behind. Do I have to abandon A.net to venture into new creative pastures? I know I'm not the only one who feels this way.

I see today's slogan is "a breath of fresh jet blast" - a bit ironic really!

Now I see that this opens up a potential nightmare for Johan - what is acceptable as an "artsy shot"? We've all seen crap hanging on the walls of art galleries!
But frankly, I think A.net is gonna have to face this one - there are some great pics around which will never get onto A.net as things stand, and that seems to be a pity.

Now we have screeners perhaps this can be addressed ... we could for instance, allow for a shot to be labelled as "artsy". It would then have to be voted on by a majority of screeners - if all or most agree it belongs on A.net, it gets in, otherwise not. By selecting the artsy option, the submitter would be accepting a) a longer waiting period and b) no discussion on acceptance/rejection! Most will choose to use the normal route and stick to the conventions ... which in fact could even be tightened up with the advent of an "artsy" option.

Cheers

Colin




Colin K. Work, Pixstel
User currently offlineJoe pries From United States of America, joined May 2000, 1957 posts, RR: 53
Reply 14, posted (13 years 3 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 3920 times:

Dan,
that b&w shot is outrageous- something about it makes me just stare and stare.

Joe


User currently offlineAKE0404AR From United States of America, joined May 2000, 2535 posts, RR: 46
Reply 15, posted (13 years 3 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 3910 times:

Speaking of "artsy" or creative shot ......

I have been trying to upload this shot for years and cannot succeed......not everyone may like it but I like it....I know it could have been a little brighter but....

http://www.hofheim.homestead.com/files/NWDC10_dark.JPG


User currently offlinePUnmuth@VIE From Austria, joined Aug 2000, 4163 posts, RR: 54
Reply 16, posted (13 years 3 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 3914 times:

Great idea Colin and Paul. I thought about posting the same.
Anyway I've learned that ideas for new categorys and forums and so on should be mailed directly to "J".
Peter



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User currently offlineDSMav8r From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 579 posts, RR: 7
Reply 17, posted (13 years 3 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 3909 times:

I agree with you also, Colin. The problem with a.net is, there is an abundance of truly talented photographers, but the majority still shoots the ramp-profile, approach, and action subjects. This is great, it has been my preferred style for many years now, but I too get a bit bored of the repitition that happens from time to time. Every once and awhile a little artistry needs to be thrown into the mix as well.


Aric Thalman
Omaha, USA



To most people, the sky is the limit. To those who love aviation, the sky is home
User currently offlineSukhoi From Sweden, joined May 2006, 373 posts, RR: 8
Reply 18, posted (13 years 3 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 3905 times:

Peter,

I would mail the "Boss" but he's not talking to me at the moment  Wink/being sarcastic Well he doesnt return my mail Big grin

Cheers

Paul


User currently offlineLGW From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (13 years 3 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 3903 times:

I personally dont really like either of the shots by Joe or Vasco, no offence I just dont and I can see why Johan rejected them

LGW


User currently offlineBruce From United States of America, joined May 1999, 5054 posts, RR: 15
Reply 20, posted (13 years 3 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 3895 times:

Nice shot Joe! I think if someone had gone over the painted engine cowl with Zaino car polish you'd be able to see the plane's reflection much better.

FYI, Zaino is a high quality polish that makes the car paint like a mirror. I know - I use it.

Bruce



Bruce Leibowitz - Jackson, MS (KJAN) - Canon 50D/100-400L IS lens
User currently offlineAKE0404AR From United States of America, joined May 2000, 2535 posts, RR: 46
Reply 21, posted (13 years 3 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 3900 times:

Here is another one of the more artsy shots, also rejected......I guess this is life and I should move on....

http://www.airliners.net/addphotos/big/Unknown733_DRS_nightappr_June2001.JPG

Aric wrote:
"The problem with a.net is, there is an abundance of truly talented photographers, but the majority still shoots the ramp-profile, approach, and action subjects"

I am sure that there are enough talented photographers on a.net or even out there who could add their share.....

Vasco


User currently offlineCkw From UK - England, joined Aug 2010, 732 posts, RR: 16
Reply 22, posted (13 years 3 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 3894 times:

I think LGW highlights the problem - artsy shots provoke extreme reactions, hence some form of concensus view is the only way to approach this. Key question - how would screeners feel about taking on this sort of role?

I would envision that for any given "artsy" pic, at least 5 of 8 screeners would need to view it and approve/disapprove. For any shot to get passed would need 50% or greater approval (ie. a minimum of 3 out of 5 votes or at least 4 votes form all 8. I wouldn't think the concenus should be higher as arguably a really strong shot could generate very polarised views (this is a GOOD thing).

Cheers,

Colin



Colin K. Work, Pixstel
User currently offlineAircanon From Austria, joined Aug 2000, 238 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (13 years 3 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 3897 times:

Fantasic shot you have there Joe!

It´s a pleasure to view the great photos from Joe, Mark, Vasco and others....

As many of you i also like artistic and creativity photos more than the standard side on shots. Now and then (and lately more often) i try to take photos out of normal, hence artistic and creative.

Since there seem to be a lot of you guys wanting more of that kind why not give us the chance to vote. On the main page of a.net there could be (after the one at present) a new voting insert like:

What do you think about a artistic photo section at a.net?

1) must have it
2) very good idea
3) quite neat
4) don´t need it
5) no good. forget it

or something simular than the above....

Maybe we don´t even need to vote and Johan does us a favor!

Would be awful nice if you could do that for us Johan.


Kind Regards

Edwin


User currently offlineGranite From UK - Scotland, joined May 1999, 5568 posts, RR: 64
Reply 24, posted (13 years 3 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 3902 times:
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Hi all

I am going to put my head on the block and agree with LGW......I don't like Joe's or Vasco's pics either  Sad

No offence to you guys as we all have our preferences.

Let's all keep on shooting  Smile

Regards
Gary Watt
Aberdeen, Scotland


25 SashA : Yes those shots do look artistic, in my opinion. BUT, let's not confuse "artistic" with "different". What if everyone starts shooting those "engine" s
26 Flygga : I also have to agree with Gary. While Joe and Vasco's do some of the best "artsy" shots, the examples posted here just do not do anything for me eithe
27 Post contains images Mirage : Here's my attempt, one month ago, also rejected. No problem, I can accept this rejection.
28 Flygga : Luis, Where is the tower??? The only thing I see in the nose is a white car. Richard
29 Post contains images Mirage : hey Richard I think I should have said: "It's a white car at Faro apron" I see what you mean, that's why I accepted the rejection very easily. Next ti
30 Post contains images LGW : Cheers Gary for agreeing with me, I thought I would be the only one and everyone would ave a go @ me LGW
31 Mirage : If everybody always agreed on something it would be a very boring life. I don't like Gary's photo inside LHR terminal and I think those comments about
32 Flygga : Hey Luis Are Fernando M and Pedro T still at Faro taking photos. I used to trade with them but I have not heard from either of them in quite awhile. I
33 Mirage : Richard, Fernando Mesquita is still taking photos and trading. We work at the same service but with different functions and by the way, he's on duty r
34 Flygga : I meant Pedro Aragao.
35 Post contains links BO__einG : Heres mine! Im having a pain in getting this one added as well. http://home.talkcity.com/KidsKorner/bokimon/crop0007.jpg You'll Have to Copy and Paste
36 Jan Mogren : Nice shot Bo! /JM
37 CYKA : Bo, bad link.
38 Post contains images Aer Lingus : Bo that shot bloody well rocks !!!! Definitely beats Joe's and Vasco's !! (no offence guys, just my humble opinion). What was the rejection reason, la
39 BO__einG : Thanks Jan and Martin for your thoughts on my picture! hehe It is a beauty eh.. YKA, try again .. When the screeners saw this they passed it but.. Yea
40 CYKA : Ok, I thought it didnt make anydiffrence. Nice pic, better then alot of dusk shots regularly accepted here.
41 Gocaps16 : Hi Joe, I really wanted to see your "artistic" shot that poeple has telling you. However, screw geocities because that link is bad. I tried 10 times a
42 Cicadajet : Nice shot Joe!! (and *some* of the other "artistic" ones - past & present threads). Shame there's not a place here to see that type of thing. I could
43 Joe pries : For the guys that say that it is a bad geocities link, i tried it several times today and it worked every single time- im not sure what the problem is
44 Screener3 : First off, it was a Johan rejection. I looked at the rejections page, and it showed up as "badcentered Final" meaning the reason was: "Aircraft was no
45 Airutopia : Gooday, Joe, The Geocities link is not working for me either - any chance of putting another link for those of us who are left out... thanks. BO - gre
46 Post contains images Granite : Hi all Mirage, whay are you always so negative with your posts? Sorry but I don't like your pic either. Maybe one day that kind of shot will make it o
47 Granite : Hi Joe I am pretty sure you will have tons of pics if an 'Arty' section was established. I will have a word with Johan direct on this and ask for his
48 Srbmod : Gee, this is making me think twice about attempting to post any of my shots. I have a ton of shots, just haven't gotten around to getting a scanner in
49 Post contains images Granite : Hi Stephen It would be nice to see some of your shots. Is there any way you could find someone local to scan some prints for you? Airliners is always
50 Administrator : Guys, I love "arty" shots as you can see by checking the Editors Choice section. However, I have to draw the line somewhere and although Joe's shot ha
51 Mirage : "I am going to put my head on the block and agree with LGW......I don't like Joe's or Vasco's pics either" You've put your head on the block Gary, I d
52 Post contains images Granite : Hi Ah Mirage But we were talking about Joe's and Vasco's shots. You threw one of mine in for the sake of it. I agree that my T1 shot does not appeal t
53 Post contains images Granite : Hi all You can't get any more arty than Joe's 'St Maarten Beach Babes' shots Regards Gary Watt Aberdeen, Scotland
54 Post contains images Mirage : Gary, I try to be creative and artsy but I don't know how to be it, I'm a very negative guy remember. I know you were talking about Joe's and Vasco's
55 Granite : Hey Mirage Is that aircraft doing a barrel roll or did you turn the shot round during the scanning process? If not, I wonder how the pilot was able to
56 Airutopia : Dan (EGGD) - your shot is very good, quite unique - almost dreamlike if that makes sense... good job! Luis (Mirage) - I like yours too... I believe i
57 Post contains images Mirage : Gary, you should take as a compliment the time I've spent choosing a nice photo to invert vertically, upload it to internet and insert the html code h
58 Post contains images Granite : Hi Mirage Yes, I am at work and have full Internet access without dial up. This is the reason I am able to respond so quickly as the browser is open a
59 Post contains links Joe pries : OK, the fact that the link no longer works is completely my fault- nothing to do with geocities- here it is again, working now http://www.geocities.co
60 BO__einG : Hey Joe. A Question popped up into my mind when you said Air & Space magazine.. Do you still do buisness with Aviation Week and SPace Technology magaz
61 Post contains links Joe pries : Hi Bo, Aviation Week & Space has been a client for 8 years now and as of last year, I also supply their website http://www.aviationnow.com with their
62 Skyliner : Joe: I like it--don't throw it away! George
63 Planeboy : Hello all, I have an idea - maybe someone should start a site - "ArtisticAirlinerPhotos.com". After reading this topic it is obvious the demand is the
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