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Photo Usage Request From Eurocontrol  
User currently offlineSNbirdy From Belgium, joined Feb 2005, 7 posts, RR: 0
Posted (8 years 10 months 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 7122 times:

Hello everyone,

Today I received the following message. Eurocontrol asks my permission to use one of my pictures. Did anyone here ever received a message from them? How should I proceed?

Thanks you,
Kenny

This is an extract from the message:
In the training of students we use a training package that is called 'Aircraft Recognition'. The objective of this package is for student Air Traffic Controllers to recognise a significant set of aircraft types.

With your permission, we would like to use the following of your picture(s) from Airliners.Net in the training package:

-1000382

This means, that the picture would be used! in the training handbook, the online version that we make available to the students and potentially as a question in the exam. The aircraft recognition training package is also provided free of charge to training institutions in EUROCONTROL's member states. Every picture included in the training package would contain a clear identification of the photographer.

We would therefore greatly appreciate it if you could provide us with the right to use the picture(s) in the training package.

As we will be receiving several hundred emails, a short response to ianslux@yahoo.com would be helpful. Thanks in advance!

Yours Sincerely,
Moe Mousa, on behalf of
Rik Simoens

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User currently offlineDC10Tim From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2005, 1406 posts, RR: 14
Reply 1, posted (8 years 10 months 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 7107 times:

Yes, I have received the same email. I am not sure who EUROCONTROL Institute of Air Navigation Services are. Are they an educational establishment, or are they a profit-making company. Not sure how to go about this one either.

Regards,

Tim.



Obviously missing something....
User currently offlineViv From Ireland, joined May 2005, 3142 posts, RR: 28
Reply 2, posted (8 years 10 months 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 7100 times:

Eurocontrol is a public-sector organisation, supported by its 35 Member States.

I believe they could afford to pay for photo usage.



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User currently offlineAsgeirs From Iceland, joined May 2001, 516 posts, RR: 1
Reply 3, posted (8 years 10 months 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 7070 times:

I just received one of those letter asking for permission to use three of my Airlines.net photos.

I too have been wondering about how to respond. Should I suggest payment for the photo usage or should I give them the usage rights for free (considering the fact that the photos will be used in training material and not in advertisements or such things).

Are there more photographers who have received a request from them?


Regards,
Asgeir Sigurdsson



Reykjavik Aviation Photography - Just bring the aircraft to us and we'll photograph them! :-)
User currently offlinePtrjong From Netherlands, joined Mar 2005, 4006 posts, RR: 18
Reply 4, posted (8 years 10 months 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 7029 times:

Consider the purpose: an in-house syllabus for a couple of handful of students. How much would you be prepared to pay?

Peter



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User currently offlineAlexandru From Ireland, joined May 2005, 65 posts, RR: 3
Reply 5, posted (8 years 10 months 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 7021 times:

Hello All,

I recieved the same email asking for permision to use 5 of my pictures.
Don't know how to go about either.

Regards,

Alexandru


User currently offlineWallace From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2005, 67 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (8 years 10 months 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 7013 times:

I and a friend have received a similar messages. I contacted the guy at Eurocontrol seems genuine but I have grave misgivings about the sender using a Yahoo e-mail address.

I am considering saying no to his request to use my photos.

Wallace.



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User currently offlineAviatorTJ From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 1838 posts, RR: 7
Reply 7, posted (8 years 10 months 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 6999 times:

I deleted the message. The email came from a yahoo address (as mentioned above) and when they said they expected "hundreds of emails" I figured my photo didn't mean a damn thing to them. Not worth the response.

User currently offlineTransIsland From Bahamas, joined Mar 2004, 2046 posts, RR: 9
Reply 8, posted (8 years 10 months 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 6986 times:

I've been asked for permission to use two photos.


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Check out this website: http://www.eurocontrol.int/ians/public/related_links/elearning.html

and then the link to "aircraft recognition": http://62.229.116.51/__my_published_site/index.htm

I agree the yahoo e-mail looks funny, but there may be good reasons for this.



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User currently offlineFlyAUA From Austria, joined May 2005, 4604 posts, RR: 55
Reply 9, posted (8 years 10 months 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 6971 times:

Hey people!

Yes, me (Moe) and my colleague (Nicholas) are responsible for this. If you have any questions, please ask, I am more than happy to answer them. Our boss has delegated this work to us and we spent over 3 weeks finding about 1400 photographs. Now we are going through a very extensive list of photographers and contacting them one by one, so we are doing our best to reply to all emails that do come in.

There were a few questions about how genuine this was because it was sent from a Yahoo mail account. The reson for this is simple. There is more than one person working on the project, and we wanted to have an account that we can all access with enough storage space in it. So don't let the fact that it's a Yahoo account turn you off. Besides, our Eurocontrol emails filter out a lot of the external emails as "spam" so we wanted to avoid having emails get lost.

So that I don't have to keep answering the same questions again... Unfortunately I cannot give you access to the official final product which will be available online only for ANSPs (Air Navigation Service Providers) that work with Eurocontrol. What we can do (if you request it) is send you an offline version of the training package once it has been completed.

On behalf of me and my colleague, thank you very much to all the photographers who have already responded promtly with a "yes, and please just have my name on the photograph". We do have an awful lot of emails coming in, and the faster we can process them, the easier it makes life for us.

I am sorry, but we are not able to arrange visits to any towers (since Eurocontrol is upper airspace and has nothing to do with TWR or APP), nor access to the CFMU database. As you can imagine that is confidential information so it's not anything we can disclose. If you are not happy with us using the photograph, then please let us know so that we can start looking for a replacement photograph of the same aircraft.

Thanks for your help, we've seen some really amazing photos the past month!  

Regards,
Moe & Nick


Edit: Just seen somebody's remark above and was saddened by his remark so I felt I should comment. The fact that there are so many pictures required for the databade doesn't make your photograph any less "special" as you put it. Remember this is not about enlarging large pretty pictures and hanging them on the wall. This is about using the photographs for a computer-based-training module that would teach them how to identify different aircraft types (and eventually also test them in doing just that). The reason why there are so many pictures is because we don't want the same student to get, say, the same photograph of an A343 twice, so we need several of each. If your photograph was selected, it was selected for a reason. Mainly, that it fullfills the criteria needed for a student to recognise what aircraft type it is (i.e. all of aircraft visibile, not an angle from the nose, etc...). If you are not interested, all you need to do is say so, but please don't just ignore us. Thanks a lot!

[Edited 2006-02-27 20:00:07]


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User currently offlineWillo From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2003, 1352 posts, RR: 12
Reply 10, posted (8 years 10 months 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 6959 times:

I have also had an email requesting use of five of my pictures.

A quick look at the Eurocontrol website reveals Rik Simoen to be a real person. Whether Nicholas Danielson is is another matter. I've emailed Mr Simoen to ask if he is aware of these requests being made on his behalf. It will be interesting to see what the response is.

cheers

Andrew

[Edited 2006-02-27 19:51:52]

User currently offlineFlyAUA From Austria, joined May 2005, 4604 posts, RR: 55
Reply 11, posted (8 years 10 months 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 6959 times:

Quoting Willo (Reply 10):
I have also had an email requesting use of five of my pictures.

A quick look at the Eurocontrol website reveals Rik Simoen to be a real person. Whether Nicholas Danielson is is another matter. I've emailed Mr Simoen to ask if he is aware of these requests being made on his behalf. It will be interesting to see what the response is.

He's a very busy man, but it is in your right to do so, hence I shall not stop you... this is exactly why his email was included in our message to all you guys/girls  Smile



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User currently offlineWillo From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2003, 1352 posts, RR: 12
Reply 12, posted (8 years 10 months 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 6950 times:

Moe

You must have written your response whilst I was typing  Smile

cheers

Andrew


User currently offlineThierryD From Luxembourg, joined Dec 2005, 2081 posts, RR: 51
Reply 13, posted (8 years 10 months 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 6930 times:
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Quoting Willo (Reply 10):
Whether Nicholas Danielson is is another matter

Hi Moe!

I was kinda surprised when I read this E-mail as I know some people working for Eurocontrol; like Nicholas Danielson  Smile
It's been a long time since I last saw him but next time you meet him tell him a big "Cheers!" from my part!
Maybe CU in LUX some time!?

Thierry D.

Btw: if you'd like to use some of my pix I'd be glad to help out  Smile
Here's the link: http://www.airliners.net/search/phot...otographersearch=Thierry%20Deutsch



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User currently offlineFlyAUA From Austria, joined May 2005, 4604 posts, RR: 55
Reply 14, posted (8 years 10 months 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 6853 times:

I see the "yes no problem" emails are coming in a lot faster now. I should have explained on the forums a lot earlier. Thanks a lot guys!!!  Smile

Quoting ThierryD (Reply 13):
next time you meet him tell him a big "Cheers!" from my part!

Already done  Wink



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User currently offlineRyan h From Australia, joined Aug 2001, 1575 posts, RR: 1
Reply 15, posted (8 years 10 months 2 hours ago) and read 6654 times:

Now I know it is legit I am willing to help out with this pic as asked in the email.


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All I ask is that my name (Ryan Hothersall) be credited as the photographer and would it be possible to email the section that has my photo in it?



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User currently offlineGranite From UK - Scotland, joined May 1999, 5578 posts, RR: 63
Reply 16, posted (8 years 10 months 2 hours ago) and read 6650 times:
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Hi all

Yes got that mail too my my 'agent' has declined to offer the free image.

Regards

Gary


User currently offlineJK From Netherlands, joined Feb 2005, 79 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (8 years 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 6581 times:

Hi,
Got the same e-mail and i have no problem with it.


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Good luck with the pic Eurocontrol !

Regards Johan Knijn



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User currently offlineAirKas1 From Netherlands, joined Dec 2003, 4030 posts, RR: 55
Reply 18, posted (8 years 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 6571 times:

Quoting JK (Reply 17):
Got the same e-mail and i have no problem with it.

Same here.


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Quoting Ryan h (Reply 15):
would it be possible to email the section that has my photo in it?

That would be cool  Smile Or a link to the section is also fine.


User currently offlineJeffM From United States of America, joined May 2005, 3266 posts, RR: 51
Reply 19, posted (8 years 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 6541 times:

I declined his offer.

User currently offlineDLKAPA From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (8 years 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 6537 times:

I accepted the offer, I did ask for photo usage fees first, however when he replied back that it was for non-commercial usage, I granted.

User currently offlineCatball From United States of America, joined Aug 2001, 29 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (8 years 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 6530 times:

Quoting FlyAUA (Reply 9):
I am sorry, but we are not able to arrange visits to any towers (since Eurocontrol is upper airspace and has nothing to do with TWR or APP), nor access to the CFMU database.

I am curious, why would you need to train your people to visually identify aircraft if the orginization is only involved in upper airspace?

regards,

Scott


User currently offlineFlyAUA From Austria, joined May 2005, 4604 posts, RR: 55
Reply 22, posted (8 years 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 6479 times:

Just a quick update... Thanks to 99.9% of the photographers who are agreeing to the use of their photos. It is greatly appreciated! Glad to see that so many are willing to help out  Smile

Quoting Catball (Reply 21):
I am curious, why would you need to train your people to visually identify aircraft if the orginization is only involved in upper airspace?

Any student air traffic controller has to learn to identify aircraft and learn about aircraft performance regardless of whether they're being allocated to TWR, APP, or ACC. True, Eurocontrol deals with upper airspace, but here on our side of the pond we are moving towards a more international license which means the course has to be CCC compliant, hence, they need to have this particular skill. Simple as that!



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User currently offlineEdoca From Belgium, joined Mar 2005, 688 posts, RR: 9
Reply 23, posted (8 years 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 6439 times:

Got this as well and accepted. I'm glad Moe came out here to give some further explanation, but I trusted it even without that explanation. Glad I can still trust people sometimes! Good luck guys.

User currently offlineAPFPilot1985 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (8 years 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 6420 times:

I said yes, why not. I think it would be awesome for a controller to think of my shot when they hear a 707 or a Avanti call in.


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25 Post contains images Edoca : You have to ask though, how difficult can it be to identify a 707 when it has 707 marks on it ... Nice thought indeed anyway!
26 Post contains images FlyAUA : Sometimes we have to go against the criteria, especially with the "older" aircraft. A 707 is very easy to identify anyway, with or without the markin
27 Viv : After reflection, I also said yes. If my photos can make a (small) contribution to air safety, that has to be a good thing.
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