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Rejection For Bad Centered, Need Help  
User currently offlineA388 From Netherlands Antilles, joined May 2001, 9856 posts, RR: 14
Posted (8 years 7 months 16 hours ago) and read 5057 times:

Hi,

I got below photo rejected for being badly centered:

http://www.airliners.net/addphotos/r...060306_AeroGal732RCCUR30OCT05E.jpg

I thaught of taking more aircraft photos from different angles, hence this photo, but I don't see how to fix this photo. The aircraft looks pretty well centered to me, but maybe the viewer/readers here see some things I don't. So, any help from anybody to improve this photo?

Many thanks in advance for your help/tips. I would really like to see this photo in the database so I can find some help here...

Regards,

Roger

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User currently offlineBubbles From Canada, joined Apr 2005, 1195 posts, RR: 51
Reply 1, posted (8 years 7 months 16 hours ago) and read 5054 times:
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Hi Roger,

I think it will be better if the plane could be moved a bit lower in the frame, because I feel the space above the tail is too much less than the room below the wheel.

_Hongyin_  wave 


User currently offlineTomTurner From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 247 posts, RR: 18
Reply 2, posted (8 years 7 months 14 hours ago) and read 5040 times:

Roger, I happen to feel its aesthetically pleasing the way you have it. The fuselage is fairly centered.

However, going by the numbers, you just want to lower the aircraft in the frame to make it acceptable to A.net I think. And, it'll still be a good shot, although somewhat different. In fact, many here will prefer the shot if you decide you want to lower the aircraft some in the frame.

Tom


User currently offlineEadster From Australia, joined Jan 2005, 2216 posts, RR: 14
Reply 3, posted (8 years 7 months 14 hours ago) and read 5031 times:

Yeah the aircraft does need to be a bit lower in the frame there. Nice surroundings too.

User currently offlineA388 From Netherlands Antilles, joined May 2001, 9856 posts, RR: 14
Reply 4, posted (8 years 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 5004 times:

Thanks for the tips everybody. I have centered the aircraft a bit more. See link below:

http://www.airliners.net/addphotos/b...ready/AeroGal732RCCUR30OCT05E2.jpg

I have also uploaded my following photos:

http://www.airliners.net/addphotos/b.../ready/AeroGal732RCCUR30OCT05F.jpg

http://www.airliners.net/addphotos/big/ready/9HATR42RCCUR30OCT05B.jpg

Please let me know your input/opinions about these photos as well and thank you for the help and tips.

Roger Big grin


User currently offlineBubbles From Canada, joined Apr 2005, 1195 posts, RR: 51
Reply 5, posted (8 years 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 5000 times:
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Hi Roger,

Nice shots!

The revised first shot looks better. However, I still feel it will be desirable if the plane could be put a little bit slower, further. And besides of that, I feel this shot might need slight CW rotation. I am not sure if the dimension of this shot could become another issue. I would like to suggest cropping it as 1024 x 683.

I think the plane in the second photo could be lower a little bit, too. and by the sea level afar I think the photo is leaning to right side - a slight CCW rotation might be needed.

I like the way you center the plane in the third photo. However, again by the sea level I could see it is leaning to right, too.

_Hongyin_  wave 


User currently offlineA388 From Netherlands Antilles, joined May 2001, 9856 posts, RR: 14
Reply 6, posted (8 years 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 4998 times:

Hi Hongyin,

I will look at the photos again tomorrow because it's very late now and I have to work early tomorrow. Thank you for your input. I will post the edited photos tomorrow.

Regards from Curacao,

Roger  Smile


User currently offlineA388 From Netherlands Antilles, joined May 2001, 9856 posts, RR: 14
Reply 7, posted (8 years 6 months 4 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 4973 times:

I have rotated the photos and have added two more photos. Please let me know any tips for corrections where needed. I couldn't get the 737 in the thread starter photo any lower as this would affect the photo size.

Here are my re-uploads:

http://www.airliners.net/addphotos/b...ready/AeroGal732RCCUR30OCT05F2.jpg

http://www.airliners.net/addphotos/big/ready/9HATR42RCCUR30OCT05B.jpg

New uploads:

http://www.airliners.net/addphotos/big/ready/KL744Water241205A.jpg

http://www.airliners.net/addphotos/big/ready/RNAFF60RCCUR241205A.jpg

Thanks in advance for the tips.

Roger Big grin


User currently offlineVasanthD From India, joined May 2005, 450 posts, RR: 9
Reply 8, posted (8 years 6 months 4 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 4967 times:

Hi Roger,

Quoting A388 (Reply 4):
Thanks for the tips everybody. I have centered the aircraft a bit more. See link below:

You still need to lower the plane in the frame. See the lot of wasted space in showing the runway. Vertical centering requires you to include the tail also and not just the fuselage. See photo ...

http://www.vasanthdharmarajan.com/airliners/badcenter.JPG

You can recenter or crop it a bit more tight...like this



Oh BTW, nice pictures!!

Cheers!!
Regards,
Vas



One Lucky shot deserves another!
User currently offlineA388 From Netherlands Antilles, joined May 2001, 9856 posts, RR: 14
Reply 9, posted (8 years 6 months 4 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 4959 times:

Thanks for the (graphic) tips Vas. This is my first experience with semi-head on photos. I have cropped and centered the photo like you said (see link below).

http://www.airliners.net/addphotos/b...ready/AeroGal732RCCUR30OCT05E3.jpg

Is this better?

Roger


User currently offlineBubbles From Canada, joined Apr 2005, 1195 posts, RR: 51
Reply 10, posted (8 years 6 months 4 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 4956 times:
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Quoting A388 (Reply 9):
Is this better?

I feel it looks nice!  Smile

_Hongyin_  wave 


User currently offlineA388 From Netherlands Antilles, joined May 2001, 9856 posts, RR: 14
Reply 11, posted (8 years 6 months 4 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 4952 times:

Quoting Bubbles (Reply 10):

I feel it looks nice!

_Hongyin_

Heey Hongyin, how are you doing? Nice seeing you back here. Let's hope the screeners will find these uploads nice for the database too.

Roger  Smile


User currently offlineTomTurner From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 247 posts, RR: 18
Reply 12, posted (8 years 6 months 4 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 4948 times:

You know Roger to me, putting aside getting the image accepted to A.net, I happen to like your original composition and 2nd attempt better.

The image now looks bottom heavy to me with the fuselage low in the frame, the dead space is to the upper left with the tail to the right, the tower is more distracting on the right and I prefer to see the full wings on this shot of a 737-200.

Nice shot anyways. Keep shooting.  Smile

Tom


User currently offlineA388 From Netherlands Antilles, joined May 2001, 9856 posts, RR: 14
Reply 13, posted (8 years 6 months 4 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 4948 times:

What about this photo:

http://www.airliners.net/addphotos/b...g/ready/AsercaD93RCCUR16MAY05A.jpg

Any thoughts on this one?

Roger


User currently offlineA388 From Netherlands Antilles, joined May 2001, 9856 posts, RR: 14
Reply 14, posted (8 years 6 months 4 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 4945 times:

Quoting TomTurner (Reply 12):
You know Roger to me, putting aside getting the image accepted to A.net, I happen to like your original composition and 2nd attempt better.

The image now looks bottom heavy to me with the fuselage low in the frame, the dead space is to the upper left with the tail to the right, the tower is more distracting on the right and I prefer to see the full wings on this shot of a 737-200.

Nice shot anyways. Keep shooting.

Tom

Hmmm you have a point there. This photo is difficult in my opinion but a nice photo angle at the same. The photo as I have it now shows the aircraft closer to the viewer compared to the other photo but than again I can see your point of the larger amount of dead space in the upper left of the photo.

What to do with this dilemma. Both photos have there good and bad things.

I'll wait and see what comes out of this before changing the photo again.

Thanks for all the tips and keep them coming so I can keep improving on my aircraft photography skills  Smile

Roger


User currently offlineVasanthD From India, joined May 2005, 450 posts, RR: 9
Reply 15, posted (8 years 6 months 4 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 4939 times:

Quoting A388 (Reply 9):
I have cropped and centered the photo like you said (see link below).

Looks great....

Quoting TomTurner (Reply 12):
The image now looks bottom heavy to me with the fuselage low in the frame,

True...but some screeners will reject it for no proper vertical centering... so play safe with the center rule...

here's one of mine in the queue with a similar vertical centered

http://www.airliners.net/addphotos/big/ready/aa_n753an_022606_DFW_333_1.jpg

--Vas



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User currently offlineA388 From Netherlands Antilles, joined May 2001, 9856 posts, RR: 14
Reply 16, posted (8 years 6 months 4 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 4934 times:

Quoting VasanthD (Reply 15):
True...but some screeners will reject it for no proper vertical centering... so play safe with the center rule...

here's one of mine in the queue with a similar vertical centered

Nice photo Vas! I've also scrolled your photos in the database and I liked all of them. I think you like close-up shots  Smile The UPS MD11F photos with all the tire smoke is very nice and the Tradewinds A300 photo taken from a distance with the taxiway is very nice too! Big grin

I hope my photo is well centered for acceptance.

Roger

[Edited 2006-03-09 04:18:03]

User currently offlineBubbles From Canada, joined Apr 2005, 1195 posts, RR: 51
Reply 17, posted (8 years 6 months 4 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 4930 times:
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Quoting A388 (Reply 13):
What about this photo:

http://www.airliners.net/addphotos/b...g/ready/AsercaD93RCCUR16MAY05A.jpg

Any thoughts on this one?

Hi Roger,

I don't think the one could be accepted. Sorry for my honesty! The heat haze has ruined this shot, and it looks too soft.

_Hongyin_  wave 


User currently offlineA388 From Netherlands Antilles, joined May 2001, 9856 posts, RR: 14
Reply 18, posted (8 years 6 months 4 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 4924 times:

Hey Hongyin,

I was thinking the same of that photo. The heat haze was tough on me that day. That's why I wanted to know the opinions here. This forum has helped me a lot so far and I'm thankful for all the tips and help I get here. So once again, thanks to everybody here who have helped me and are still helping me to improve my photography skills Big grin

Roger


User currently offlineEdoca From Belgium, joined Mar 2005, 688 posts, RR: 9
Reply 19, posted (8 years 6 months 4 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 4923 times:

Quoting Bubbles (Reply 17):
I don't think the one could be accepted. Sorry for my honesty! The heat haze has ruined this shot, and it looks too soft.

I would agree. I think it's impossible to save... And these weather conditions are so typical for CUR, aren't they...

I agree with Tom Turner about the original AeroGal picture being nicely composed but your second version seems OK for acceptance here. Never seen that airline before, is it yet another Venezuela-Antilles connection?

Cheers
Ward


User currently offlineVasanthD From India, joined May 2005, 450 posts, RR: 9
Reply 20, posted (8 years 6 months 4 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 4921 times:

Quoting A388 (Reply 16):
I've also scrolled your photos in the database and I liked all of them.

Thank you  Smile

Quoting A388 (Reply 16):
I think you like close-up shots

Yeah...Up close and personal  Wink

Hopefully by this screening cycle, I should hit 100 pics on A.net ...whoo-hoo

--Vas



One Lucky shot deserves another!
User currently offlineA388 From Netherlands Antilles, joined May 2001, 9856 posts, RR: 14
Reply 21, posted (8 years 6 months 4 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 4911 times:

Quoting Edoca (Reply 19):
Never seen that airline before, is it yet another Venezuela-Antilles connection?

Hey Edoca, wellcome back. AeroGal is a charter airline from Ecuador but I've read they are now focussing more on scheduled services. To CUR they only operate charter flights so far. It's a pity they don't use their 727 to CUR as they only have one of them. I would love to see a classic such as the 727 operating passenger flights to CUR. Luckily we still get 727 full freighters to CUR...  

Quoting VasanthD (Reply 20):
Hopefully by this screening cycle, I should hit 100 pics on A.net ...whoo-hoo

Good luck with your 100th photo in the database. I am sure you will get there very soon looking at the amount of your photos accepted in the database here in less than a year. It took me about 6 years to get my 81 photos accepted here. Yes, I'm a veteran here with few photos in the database. Luckily I see my acceptance ratio improve quite well the past half year thanks to all the photograpy tips I get here 

Hopefully by end this year I will reach the 100 as the number of aircraft movements here in CUR is still not much. Luckily there are a few airlines rumoured to be interested in flying to CUR over the coming year  so I hope I will have a camera again soon as my EOS300D is broke and fixing it seems to take two months to repair from CUR...  

I am planning to buy the EOS350D end of this months or end of next month as I can't afford anything more expensive the coming year. I had to cancel my planned vacation to Holland because of this! Me without a camera is just not possible. I wouldn't like it to go to AMS and not being able to photograph the aircraft there so I have to built everything up slowly but steadily  

Roger

[Edited 2006-03-09 05:28:21]

User currently offlineBubbles From Canada, joined Apr 2005, 1195 posts, RR: 51
Reply 22, posted (8 years 6 months 4 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 4910 times:
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Quoting VasanthD (Reply 20):
Hopefully by this screening cycle, I should hit 100 pics on A.net ...whoo-hoo

Vas,

You will benefit from that milestone - more upload slots!  Smile

_Hongyin_  wave 


User currently offlineA388 From Netherlands Antilles, joined May 2001, 9856 posts, RR: 14
Reply 23, posted (8 years 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 4883 times:

Hello,

Here I am again with another upload:

http://www.airliners.net/addphotos/b...dy/KL744NEWCLoseUpRCCUR210805F.jpg

Please let me know your opinions and thanks.

Roger  Smile


User currently offlineBubbles From Canada, joined Apr 2005, 1195 posts, RR: 51
Reply 24, posted (8 years 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 4876 times:
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Quoting A388 (Reply 23):
Please let me know your opinions and thanks.

Nice shot, Roger! I do like some close-up photos.

I feel this shot might need slight CW rotations and it looks a little bit soft.

_Hongyin_  wave 


25 Post contains links and images Ua777222 : What do you think about something more like this? The poles in the back are hard to level off of as they will require .75-1.75CW if done off of those
26 Post contains links A388 : I have rotated the KLM photo a bit more: http://www.airliners.net/addphotos/b...y/KL744NEWCLoseUpRCCUR210805F2.jpg Roger
27 Post contains images VasanthD : Hi Roger, Did you use neat image or any noise reduction software on the KLM? I might fear a quality rejection here --Vas
28 A388 : Heey Vas, I don't have those programs, I only use Photo Shop version 2.0. I rotated the photo, levelled the photo and USM with settings:amount 500%, r
29 UA777222 : 300, 0.2, 2? 500 tends to be overkill, no? Best. Matt
30 VasanthD : Do you mean CS2...? And check your PM... --Vas
31 Psych : Hello Roger. I have been away from the Forum recently, so apologies for getting into this thread late. I am very interested in the debate about center
32 Post contains links A388 : Thanks for all the tips everybody. I will get into your comments tomorrow as I have a bit of a headache now (tough week at work). In anyway, I have de
33 Post contains links and images A388 : Here I am again. Hi Vas, what do you mean with checking my PM? As for the program I use, it's Adobe Photo Shop Elements version 2.0. And hi Paul, it's
34 Post contains images VasanthD : Check your personal message ... I sent my e-mail address to ya...so that you can send me your original for editing Which camera do you use Roger? You
35 BradWray : Roger, Can I ask what camera you are using? Thanks a lot and nice shots! Bradley Wray
36 Psych : Hello Roger. Thanks for those kind words - I have been preoccupied with other stuff recently. That AA shot definitely looks better. Still small issues
37 Post contains images A388 : Heey everybody, Thanks for the replies. Vas, I haven't received an email from you (that's odd). I use Adobe Photo Shop to edit all my photos. I used t
38 Post contains links Psych : Hi again Roger. Okay - I think this might be an important issue for you. It may be worth your while to take a look at this thread. I explain exactly w
39 A388 : Hi Paul, Thanks for the information. Maybe you can help me with the following (or anyone reading this). I have seen people talking about selective sha
40 Post contains links and images A388 : Hello again, Here I am again after a long time. I would like to thank everybody who helped me out here. You have been of great help. The following pho
41 Post contains images VasanthD : Hi Roger, Glad to see the AeroGal which I suggested to re-center Cheers! --Vas
42 Psych : Hi Roger. Many congratulations on getting your recent shots accepted. My apologies - I hadn't read your reply 39 until now, so never answered any of t
43 A388 : Hi Vasanth, Thanks. I haven't heard from you since I sent you two of my photos you wanted to have a look at. Any news....? Paul, Thanks for the compli
44 VasanthD : Hi Roger, I sent my email address to your both PM and mail earlier. If you didnt receive it, send me your email address to me. Just hit the "Send Ins
45 A388 : Hi Vasanth, Thanks for the reply. I haven't received an email. How can I access the instant messages? I can't find a link. Regards, Roger
46 Post contains links Vasanthd : This should be it... Home->All Member Services->View Instant message history ( http://www.airliners.net/discussions/totalhistory.main ) You should als
47 Post contains images A388 : Hi Vasanth, Sorry for the late reply but I didn't have much internet access the last few weeks. But thanks for all your help. I see now how to access
48 Post contains images A388 : I just saw I lost all my aircraft photos taken after May of 2005 because my pc crashed a month ago I have a lot of photos to make!!!!! I will post my
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