AndrewUber From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 2528 posts, RR: 39 Posted (9 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 6115 times:
Well I went spotting today with my new 70-200 2.8 IS, and the results were... not bad - but not quite what I expected for a $1,800 lens. I guess it's time to ask for help!
Here are a few samples from today - these are more or less straight out of the camera (except for a crop, resize and a LITTLE tweaking in Capture One). Sorry they are so big (1600 wide), but I wanted to show the grain and fuzz I'm getting with these settings:
I can't figure out how to copy the EXIF data in Capture One, so here is a rundown of the settings portion of it:
Canon EOS 20D
Shutter Speed: 1/1600
Max Aperature: f--
Exposure Program: Manual
Exposure Mode: Manual
Flash Mode: Flash did not fire
Metering Mode: Pattern
Drive Mode / Self Timer: Continuous
Exposure Compensation: 0.00
Flash Compensation: +2.00
ISO Speed Rating: ISO 100
Focal Length: 200mm
Auto Focus Mode: One Shot
White Balance Setting: Auto
Color Space: sRGB
Subject Distance Range: --
Subject Distance: unknown
3504 x 2332
I was using IS in mode 1 for all shots, in AF (far) mode. There is no filter on the lens, but I was using the hood.
OK I'm guessing I've got the camera settings all FUBAR, and honestly I still don't have a clue what I'm doing with aperature settings. Does this lens have a "sweet spot" that I should shoot for? Or is it best to try to keep it at 2.8 all the time? Was 4.5 too much?
The EXIF data above is for the UA 733 shot. The other two were had the following differences, all other settings were the same:
The BA 744 shot was at 1/1000, f5.0, focal length 78mm.
The UA 744 shot was at 1/1250, f5.0, focal length 200mm.
I tried a couple shots at f2.8, and got similar results (grainy, etc).
If anyone knows what settings I should use on the 20D, I would GREATLY appreciate it!!! I'm going back to ORD today to go spotting with Syncmaster, and would like to fix these issues before then (if possible!!)
Thanks for your help!
Edit: Click on the images to see them full size...
Is there any need for that? You started somewhere remember.. when you got your first super dooper lens i bet you had a few crap shots until you got used to it.. give the guy a break.. so nice to see crew members putting folks down..
Only use that for stationary objects Drew. AI Servo is for moving objects. Also, I agree with Royal, you are way to wide on the aperture for that distance and get your shutter down to around 1/500. I'd like to know how you came to those exposure settings as well.
Anyways, yea... You seem to use the Manual (M Mode) in your 20D with fixed AV and TV. Change it to AV Mode and let the camera decide what shutter speed is appropriate. the 70-200 2.8L IS is an excellent lens... Narrow the aperture and set the focus point to center with AI Servo and you would see a smile pop up with every photo.
Mikephotos From United States of America, joined Oct 2000, 2923 posts, RR: 53
Reply 12, posted (9 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 5894 times:
Quoting EWS (Reply 7): Is there any need for that? You started somewhere remember.. when you got your first super dooper lens i bet you had a few crap shots until you got used to it.. give the guy a break.. so nice to see crew members putting folks down..
That little smiley after the comment says it all. Relax!
Quoting JRadier (Reply 10): (especially with Canon's known for less grain then Nikons...)
Yeah, grain might be better at ISO6400 but who here shoots at 6400. That's like shooting approach shots at f4.5 1/1600, who the heck would do that
Quoting Clickhappy (Reply 9): After all, if he would have taken my advice in his last thread, and dumped the Cannon gear for some Nikon kit, we wouldn't be having this discussion!
As I've mentioned, I already have a Motorola camera phone - which is pretty much the same thing.
By the way folks, it's true - Royal and I are friends (despite his Nikon habit), so these cheap shots at each other are not a problem at all. Besides, he's just jealous (have you garage-saled your nikon shit yet Royal???).
My 70-200 F4L is on E-Bay as we speak, it ends tomorrow. I plan to cash that in for a 17-40L. The wife authorized "any lens" I wanted, so I went for the big dawg. I did, afterall, buy her a $3,000 diamond for HER birthday last year!
OK regarding the lens issue - I went back and checked my camera settings, and it seems that my "custom functions" were out of whack. The camera was adding in some sharpness, contrast and saturation - which I set back to "zero". Also, I will try AI focus.
As for aperature, I'll try shooting in the 7-9 range, in aperature priority. I guess I always thought that a faster shutter meant sharper pictures. Appearantly I was wrong there!
Thank you all for your fast answers, I'll do some shooting today and upload some samples tonight when I return to FWA.
I'm kinda surprised Jeff hasn't sounded off to remind me that only amateurs use RAW....
Philhyde From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 679 posts, RR: 1
Reply 17, posted (9 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 5825 times:
How do the pictures look edited? You can tell a lot from the raw picture from the camera, but let's face it almost all digital pictures need to be edited to some degree.
I concur with the recommendations for the settings. I have just recently switched from AI Focus to AI Servo, and the jury is still out. The biggest thing to get used to in servo mode is that there is no beep when it locks on (although the focus zone flashes).
Javibi From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 22, posted (9 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 5742 times:
Quoting AndrewUber (Reply 16): My 70-200 F4L is on E-Bay as we speak, it ends tomorrow. I plan to cash that in for a 17-40L. The wife authorized "any lens" I wanted, so I went for the big dawg. I did, afterall, buy her a $3,000 diamond for HER birthday last year!
If you throw the diamond AND wife in the lot you'll probably get enough for a 600mm f4 L, think about it!