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User currently offlineLIPH From Italy, joined May 2004, 848 posts, RR: 1
Posted (8 years 8 months 2 weeks 3 days ago) and read 4139 times:

Which flash setting do you use in "normal conditions" to shoot at cockpits and cabins ?

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User currently offlineJeffM From United States of America, joined May 2005, 3266 posts, RR: 51
Reply 1, posted (8 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 4107 times:

What is "normal" to you?

User currently offlineLIPH From Italy, joined May 2004, 848 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (8 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 4100 times:

Quoting JeffM (Reply 1):
What is "normal" to you?

Not in critical light conditions.....

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User currently offlineJumboJim747 From Australia, joined Oct 2004, 2465 posts, RR: 44
Reply 3, posted (8 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 4096 times:

I saw a shot on Anet only a week or so ago the runway was in sight for the pilots and the photog took a shot with the flash going off.
I'm not sure if he asked the pilots but I'm thinking it wouldn't be a good idea when they are concentrating on the job for a flash to go off.
I wont post the shot but its there.
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User currently offlineJeffM From United States of America, joined May 2005, 3266 posts, RR: 51
Reply 4, posted (8 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 4078 times:

Quoting LIPH (Reply 2):
Not in critical light conditions.....

does that mean daylight or darkness?


User currently offlineLIPH From Italy, joined May 2004, 848 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (8 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 4063 times:

Quoting JeffM (Reply 4):
does that mean daylight or darkness?

Critical=darkness....

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User currently offlinePaparadzi From Malaysia, joined Jan 2005, 202 posts, RR: 4
Reply 6, posted (8 years 8 months 2 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 4015 times:

For daytime cockpit shot, there are 3 simultaneus lighting condition that need to be addressed. First, the outside, which will be very bright and requires a high shutter speed. Second, the inside of the cockpit, which will be darker. To address this 2 problems a high-speed sync flash can be used, so both the inside and the outside is properly balanced.


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The third problem is the instrument panel, either CRT or LCD. These requires a longer exposure. The problem is that this will make the exterior washed out.


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I've yet to find out how to have all three situations addressed in a single photo. Any idea?



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User currently offlineAviopic From Netherlands, joined Mar 2004, 2681 posts, RR: 41
Reply 7, posted (8 years 8 months 2 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 3991 times:

Quoting Paparadzi (Reply 6):
The problem is that this will make the exterior washed out.

There is no need to.

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Determine the aperture you want to use, dial it in and take a reading at the brightest spot you can find.
Switch to manual mode and dial in the found value for exposure together with the same aperture.
Turn on the flash light and put it in high speed mode, use it indirect via the ceiling or so.
That's it.



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User currently offlineTWAMD-80 From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 1006 posts, RR: 4
Reply 8, posted (8 years 8 months 2 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 3976 times:

Quoting Aviopic (Reply 7):
Turn on the flash light and put it in high speed mode, use it indirect via the ceiling or so.

I am not very familiar with using an external flash, but would that mean pointing the bulb at the ceiling and bouncing the flash? Also while on the topic, how is the Canon 420 EX?



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User currently offlineAviopic From Netherlands, joined Mar 2004, 2681 posts, RR: 41
Reply 9, posted (8 years 8 months 2 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 3972 times:

Quoting TWAMD-80 (Reply 8):
but would that mean pointing the bulb at the ceiling and bouncing the flash? Also while on the topic

Edit1:Yes, exactly but there are more possibilities like using a flash cord which makes the use of the floor, rear or side panels a lot easier.

Quoting TWAMD-80 (Reply 8):
how is the Canon 420 EX?

I am sure it's fine..... from 10D onwards as at this time E-TTL was introduced making the "EZ" type obsolete.
It's supports "high speed mode" and is able to tilt as well as rotate, so all you need is there.
Edit2: However now I think about it I think it does not have the extra "wide angle" extension which for example the 550 does have.
For flightdeck shots I use it all the time.
[Edited 2006-04-08 23:06:48]

[Edited 2006-04-08 23:09:48]


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User currently offlineTWAMD-80 From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 1006 posts, RR: 4
Reply 10, posted (8 years 8 months 2 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 3963 times:

Quoting Aviopic (Reply 9):
Edit2: However now I think about it I think it does not have the extra "wide angle" extension which for example the 550 does have.
For flightdeck shots I use it all the time.

In that case I'd guess that you have the 550 - how do you like it? I am rather curious about the different flashes. The internal flash on the 10D is not really cutting it with the 17-40.

Tim



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User currently offlineStaffan From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (8 years 8 months 2 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 3949 times:

Quoting Aviopic (Reply 7):
There is no need to.

But if the outside is too bright there's too much difference in luminance between the LCD's and the exterior to fit within one exposure.


User currently offlineAviopic From Netherlands, joined Mar 2004, 2681 posts, RR: 41
Reply 12, posted (8 years 8 months 2 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 3940 times:

Quoting TWAMD-80 (Reply 10):
In that case I'd guess that you have the 550 - how do you like it?

Pretty good.
It does everything I expect from a flash light although I am thinking about getting the new 580 which supports E-TTL2, it seems to work even better.

Quoting TWAMD-80 (Reply 10):
The internal flash on the 10D is not really cutting it with the 17-40.

The internal flash is nice for a snap or so but can't be compared to a serious flashlight, it simply lacks the power and can't be aimed in the direction you want.

Quoting Staffan (Reply 11):
But if the outside is too bright there's too much difference in luminance between the LCD's and the exterior to fit within one exposure.

That is why you are using a flash light Staffan, to bring the dark and light area's closer together so it does fit.
The Cessna 172 example from Eric Patrick in reply 7 is a good example, very bright outside but still the GPS is perfectly readable.



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User currently offlineTWAMD-80 From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 1006 posts, RR: 4
Reply 13, posted (8 years 8 months 2 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 3924 times:

When you use a flash for flight deck photos, do you use a diffuser?

Tim



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User currently offlineAviopic From Netherlands, joined Mar 2004, 2681 posts, RR: 41
Reply 14, posted (8 years 8 months 2 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 3916 times:

Quoting TWAMD-80 (Reply 13):
When you use a flash for flight deck photos, do you use a diffuser?

Depends on the situation Tim.

Here I used a flashcord so I could keep the flash low in the cockpit and aimed in the direction of the pedals.
In this situation you don't want light to spread around and therefor no wideangle or diff devices were used, just stopped the flash down(-2 if I remember correctly).

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A textbook example as described in reply 7.
Flashlight is pointed upwards with the 550 wideangle device in front of it.

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Working very close to the flight controls there is no room to bounce the light besides I want to show the 1958 instruments.
Flashed straight forward with the diffuser on top of the 550.

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Still in the waiting list but nice anyway, working in a cramped space doesn't make it any easier.
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So it all comes down to what you want and your own taste, there are many possibilities.
Just don't be afraid to try them and.................... fail Big grin
The last example took me probably 5 shots to get it right.


Willem



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User currently offlineStaffan From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (8 years 8 months 2 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 3897 times:

Quoting Aviopic (Reply 12):
That is why you are using a flash light Staffan, to bring the dark and light area's closer together so it does fit.
The Cessna 172 example from Eric Patrick in reply 7 is a good example, very bright outside but still the GPS is perfectly readable.

A flash won't light up a CRT, only the panel around it.


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