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User currently offlineDLX737200 From United States of America, joined May 2001, 1904 posts, RR: 19
Posted (8 years 4 months 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 2493 times:

Ok... so here's the deal. I had two photos rejected for noa_jagged yesterday. On neither could I see jaggies. I showed them to two other known photographers on this website and both agreed they could not see any. They both suggested I appeal. I did so, and this morning I got the email saying they were both re-rejected for the same reason. I was surprised. Seeing how 3 ppl (including myself) all could not find the jaggies, I thought I had a good chance of them getting accepted through the appeal. Guess not. In an attempt to find the jaggies and fix them in my re-edits, I replied asking, "Can you tell me where they are jagged? Are your monitors properly calibrated (meant as a joke)?" I got this reply:

"Justin

Jaggies clear to see.

Screeners don't have the time to respond to ignorant questions. Our monitors are properly calibrated. Maybe it's yours thats out of sync..........or your eyes.

Regards"

I left the name out for respect of that person. Tell me now, how hard would it have been to tell me were the jaggies where rather than insulting me? I was very ticked to read this. I feel that screeners should not be insulting someone who, like most of us, spends hour and hours and years devoted to the success of this site. Without us devoted photographers, Airliners.net would not be what it is today. I considered to stop uploading after this rude comment from this screener because I feel my hard work is no longer appreciated on this site. We'll see.

-Justin

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User currently offlineIL76 From Netherlands, joined Jan 2004, 2237 posts, RR: 48
Reply 1, posted (8 years 4 months 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 2487 times:

Quoting DLX737200 (Thread starter):
Are your monitors properly calibrated (meant as a joke)?"

...is not funny... Think about it...


User currently offlineEdoca From Belgium, joined Mar 2005, 688 posts, RR: 9
Reply 2, posted (8 years 4 months 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 2487 times:

... but you won't show the picture?

User currently offlineDLX737200 From United States of America, joined May 2001, 1904 posts, RR: 19
Reply 3, posted (8 years 4 months 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 2476 times:

Quoting IL76 (Reply 1):
...is not funny... Think about it...

It's not a joke to laugh at... it's an obvious joke that we all know is a joke because everyone knows that a screener's monitor better be calibrated, or how else are they going to fairly screen (as if they do anyway!). But common IL76, do you agree with this guys reply? You think thats the way Airliners.net's life force, all the photographers that upload to this website, should be treated? I don't and frankly I think I deserve an apology from this screener.


User currently offlineDLX737200 From United States of America, joined May 2001, 1904 posts, RR: 19
Reply 4, posted (8 years 4 months 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 2476 times:

Quoting Edoca (Reply 2):
... but you won't show the picture?

No beacuse I am done with those pics. If I posted them, this thread would turn into a debate over the photos and that is not the point of this thread. The point of this thread is to discuss this screener's comments towards me.


User currently offlineGVerbeeck From Belgium, joined Mar 2005, 245 posts, RR: 24
Reply 5, posted (8 years 4 months 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 2459 times:

Quoting DLX737200 (Thread starter):
Tell me now, how hard would it have been to tell me were the jaggies where rather than insulting me? I was very ticked to read this. I feel that screeners should not be insulting someone

Ermm, am I missing something? Where is the insult?


User currently offlineIL76 From Netherlands, joined Jan 2004, 2237 posts, RR: 48
Reply 6, posted (8 years 4 months 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 2453 times:

Quoting DLX737200 (Reply 3):
it's an obvious joke that we all know is a joke because everyone knows that a screener's monitor better be calibrated, or how else are they going to fairly screen (as if they do anyway!).

First of all, you question our monitors with no indication that it is a joke (it sure didn't sound like it) and now you say "as if they do anyway!" about our screening, another unfriendly way to tell the screeners off.
Show the rejections please. It's not the first time you had jagged rejections, now is it?


User currently offlineViv From Ireland, joined May 2005, 3142 posts, RR: 29
Reply 7, posted (8 years 4 months 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 2446 times:

Quoting DLX737200 (Reply 4):
If I posted them, this thread would turn into a debate over the photos

But someone might tell you where the jaggies are. I thought you wanted to know that?



Nikon D700, Nikkor 80-400, Fuji X Pro 1, Fujinon 35 f/1.4, Fujinon 18 f/2
User currently offlineDLX737200 From United States of America, joined May 2001, 1904 posts, RR: 19
Reply 8, posted (8 years 4 months 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 2443 times:

Quoting IL76 (Reply 6):
"as if they do anyway!" about our screening, another unfriendly way to tell the screeners off.

I've felt for a long time now this damn site it way too harsh and all the hard work isn't much worth all the B.S. all of us photographers have to put up with. I have had jagged rejections before but not ones I felt so strongly about. Also, it's not like I have 30-40 photos on here and I'm complaining. I have over 1000 shots on here and this shit is happening to me. I will NOT show the rejections as I said earlier, this is not a thread requesting help or opinions on rejections. I have my opinions. If I post them, this screener's comments will be no longer be the subject and people will only argue over my photos. If I wanted help with the photos any longer, I would've posted, "Please help me on these photos!
But I didn't. I went to the screeners who screened it for this help and they told me off. So whatever. This thread is to discuss this screener's comments, not the photos.

-Justin


User currently offlineTransIsland From Bahamas, joined Mar 2004, 2044 posts, RR: 9
Reply 9, posted (8 years 4 months 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 2438 times:

Quoting GVerbeeck (Reply 5):
Ermm, am I missing something? Where is the insult?

If I had to guess, it's maybe the fact the he was being called ignorant?

Now when you wrote to the screener, Justin, and asked about the monitors' calibration, did you include the part about it being meant as a joke? I don't think it's funny either way, and I think the Hscreener overreacted with the response, but I think you are too.

Let's just sit back and chill. I need a cup of coffee before a.net is going down the drain due to all photogs turning their backs... (meant as a joke - if it's not funny, please bear in mind that I just woke up, and checking a.net was my first activity of the day, even pre-caffeine.)



I'm an aviation expert. I have Sky Juice for breakfast.
User currently offlineViv From Ireland, joined May 2005, 3142 posts, RR: 29
Reply 10, posted (8 years 4 months 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 2426 times:

Quoting DLX737200 (Thread starter):
On neither could I see jaggies



Quoting DLX737200 (Reply 8):
I will NOT show the rejections

Well then, to quote Shakespeare, I think that you "protest too much".

Others may disagree, that's fine with me.



Nikon D700, Nikkor 80-400, Fuji X Pro 1, Fujinon 35 f/1.4, Fujinon 18 f/2
User currently offlineStaffan From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (8 years 4 months 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 2392 times:

Quoting DLX737200 (Reply 8):
all the hard work isn't much worth all the B.S

What hard work? Editing?


User currently offlineGranite From UK - Scotland, joined May 1999, 5568 posts, RR: 64
Reply 12, posted (8 years 4 months 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 2381 times:
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Justin

Yes, you know it was me and I will tell everyone it was me too so no hiding.

If you had kindly asked where the jaggies were without the ignorant calibration comment you will find that an answer would have been forthcoming.

Screeners always take time to reply to well constructed e-mails.

Joking or not, there was no need for your comment just like there was no need for mine.

Justin, this forum is for discussing photography so If you do not want to let us see the images that were rejected I suggest this thread move to site related which you can discuss screener comments.

Regards

Gary

[Edited 2006-04-20 13:52:05]

User currently offlineDlx737200 From United States of America, joined May 2001, 1904 posts, RR: 19
Reply 13, posted (8 years 4 months 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 2330 times:

Then please move this to site related so we may continue this discussions without the need of photos.

User currently offlineCosec59 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (8 years 4 months 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 2317 times:

Hi Justin,
How are you? (A part from the jaggies that is).
I've been keeping an eye on this thread along with Ian's (the other guy you may at MAN). Whilst I can perhaps understand your frustration at the E mail you received from the screening team, I think it's perhaps it's something you could deal with better via IM's or E-mail. Therefore not entering into what seems to have become a slanging match.
For us to be able to comment fairly on the response you received, maybe you could post a copy of the E mail you sent the screeners. That way no comments can be made about the actual photos, but a balanced opinion on the response from Granite.
Phil


User currently offlineNIKV69 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (8 years 4 months 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 2317 times:

Quoting DLX737200 (Thread starter):
Tell me now, how hard would it have been to tell me were the jaggies where rather than insulting me? I was very ticked to read this. I feel that screeners should not be insulting someone who, like most of us, spends hour and hours and years devoted to the success of this site. Without us devoted photographers, Airliners.net would not be what it is today. I considered to stop uploading after this rude comment from this screener because I feel my hard work is no longer appreciated on this site. We'll see.

Will the time come when we don't have to be subject to these threads anymore?  banghead 

Quoting Edoca (Reply 2):
but you won't show the picture?

Of course not.

Quoting DLX737200 (Reply 3):
It's not a joke to laugh at... it's an obvious joke that we all know is a joke because everyone knows that a screener's monitor better be calibrated

Whatever the case that comment was not needed when you asked for them point out the jaggies, simple as that.

Quoting DLX737200 (Reply 8):
I've felt for a long time now this damn site it way too harsh and all the hard work isn't much worth all the B.S. all of us photographers have to put up with. I have had jagged rejections before but not ones I felt so strongly about. Also, it's not like I have 30-40 photos on here and I'm complaining. I have over 1000 shots on here and this shit is happening to me. I will NOT show the rejections as I said earlier, this is not a thread requesting help or opinions on rejections. I have my opinions. If I post them, this screener's comments will be no longer be the subject and people will only argue over my photos. If I wanted help with the photos any longer, I would've posted, "Please help me on these photos!
But I didn't. I went to the screeners who screened it for this help and they told me off. So whatever. This thread is to discuss this screener's comments, not the photos.

Well the fact remains your comment was misconstrued, which should not have even been there to begin with, if this is a mis-understanding let's cut this out because this thread is going nowhere.


User currently offlineAirMalta From Malta, joined Mar 2006, 394 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (8 years 4 months 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 2315 times:

Quoting Staffan (Reply 11):
What hard work? Editing?

by the way I'm finding it a bit hard putting some pics over here...I cannot imagine what other rules will come into a.net to make it harder guys  Wink!

cheers
Malcolm  Silly Cool


User currently offlineLGW From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (8 years 4 months 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 2299 times:

This appears to be a 6 of one, half a dozen of the other because I see where the comment was coming from regarding monitor calibration but its hard to get sarcasm across via text and so when it came to the screener (Gary) reading it, busy screening it would have appeard as an unnecessary comment and slightly rude.

I see your point in not posting the image as you dont see that as the point but seeing as this is partly self inflicted by the comment you made to the screener I dont see the need to start a thread on it, if you post your image here and ask for help people will provide it but surely this is a private matter?

Ben


User currently offlineCallMeCapt From Australia, joined Jan 2005, 496 posts, RR: 7
Reply 18, posted (8 years 4 months 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 2299 times:

Justin, I have to be honest here and say what a waste of 10 minutes reading this thread. Show the pictures so we can see where the jaggeds are.
If you're having some kind of argument with Gary, I seriously doubt any of us want to be part of it. I know I don't. In australia, we have a saying that describes your "joke". I'm sure you heard of it. It's "Smart ass". Anything said over the internet can be twisted and misinterpreted based purely on what was typed.
Just put up the pictures and we'll all scrutinize them.
Goran



Without struggle, there is no progress. (Frederick Douglass)
User currently offlineJavibi From Spain, joined Oct 2004, 1371 posts, RR: 42
Reply 19, posted (8 years 4 months 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 2299 times:

Quoting Granite (Reply 12):
Joking or not, there was no need for your comment just like there was no need for mine.

 checkmark 

Quoting Cosec59 (Reply 14):
I think it's perhaps it's something you could deal with better via IM's or E-mail.

 checkmark 

Cheers

j



"Be prepared to engage in constructive debate". Are YOU prepared?
User currently offlineDLX737200 From United States of America, joined May 2001, 1904 posts, RR: 19
Reply 20, posted (8 years 4 months 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 2251 times:

Quoting CallMeCapt (Reply 18):
Just put up the pictures and we'll all scrutinize them.

That is exactly the reason I don't want to put the photos on here so they will not become the subject of this thread.

Quoting CallMeCapt (Reply 18):
If you're having some kind of argument with Gary, I seriously doubt any of us want to be part of it. I know I don't.

Then why the hell are you taking time to read this then? I made this thread because I know several other photographers who feel the same way I do and have a strong discontent towards these screeners. I was looking for more feedback from photographers rather than any other nobody on this forum.

Quoting Granite (Reply 12):
Joking or not, there was no need for your comment just like there was no need for mine.

So should I take this as an apology? Because this sounds like its as close as I'm going to get to one.

Quoting Staffan (Reply 11):
What hard work? Editing?

Yes, time and money devoted to traveling, sitting on the end of a runway for hours on end, coming home spending hours on end editing hundreds of photos, and then this shit.

-Justin


User currently offlineLGW From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (8 years 4 months 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 2245 times:

Quoting DLX737200 (Reply 20):

Yes, time and money devoted to traveling, sitting on the end of a runway for hours on end, coming home spending hours on end editing hundreds of photos, and then this shit.

Surely you do all that for yourself and uploading to a.net is on top of that? If you feel that x number of acceptances makes your time and money spent on photography gear and travelling worthwhile then you need to re-evaluate why you're doing this


User currently offlineViv From Ireland, joined May 2005, 3142 posts, RR: 29
Reply 22, posted (8 years 4 months 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 2245 times:

Quoting DLX737200 (Reply 20):
Yes, time and money devoted to traveling, sitting on the end of a runway for hours on end, coming home spending hours on end editing hundreds of photos

If you do all this just for A.net, I think you need to re-calibrate your attitude to photography.



Nikon D700, Nikkor 80-400, Fuji X Pro 1, Fujinon 35 f/1.4, Fujinon 18 f/2
User currently offlineLGW From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (8 years 4 months 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 2237 times:

Great minds, and all that eh Viv  Wink

User currently offlineTransIsland From Bahamas, joined Mar 2004, 2044 posts, RR: 9
Reply 24, posted (8 years 4 months 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 2222 times:

Quoting DLX737200 (Reply 20):
Yes, time and money devoted to traveling, sitting on the end of a runway for hours on end, coming home spending hours on end editing hundreds of photos, and then this s***.

Well, everyone is free to go to their local airport only, but you do make it sounds like hard, unpleasant work. Are you forgetting that this is your hobby (taking photos and looking at planes, that is), which you are supposed to ENJOY, and uploading to a.net is "only" an added bonus that makes it even sweeter from time to time?



I'm an aviation expert. I have Sky Juice for breakfast.
25 Post contains images IL76 : So you're calling Goran a nobody... Tact is not your strongest point, now is it? And you probably still wonder why people treat you the way they do?
26 Post contains images Linco22 : Regards Colin
27 Post contains images GVerbeeck :
28 Willo : So this has little to do with the jaggies but is about a bunch of you being dissatisfied with the screening team. As has been said before, and will n
29 Post contains images Timdegroot : You brought this on yourself and I don't understand the point of this thread either. If you have issues with any of us deal with them privately. And h
30 PUnmuth@VIE : So everyone except the screeners is a nobody? Good luck in the forums Did you apologize for your statement? You aren't forced to to so, are you?
31 Post contains images Cosec59 : Maybe, as others have said, you could perhaps start with taking a close look at your attitude first. Upload somewhere else then! I would like to see
32 GVerbeeck : You make it sound like you are going through hell or something. Well, nobody is making you upload all your shots. Heck, nobody is even forcing you to
33 Post contains images Mikephotos : I usually consider that fun not work. Well, excluding the shit part, that's usually all business Mike
34 Post contains images Staffan : Try going out taking photos of aircraft for the fun of it, and not for the sake of getting photos onto this site. You make it sound that the latter i
35 Post contains images Flyfisher1976 : Yeah, really! This thread is a waste of time unless we can see the photo in question. I have had less-than-satisfactory customer service experiences
36 Post contains images Willo : No, not really! You get just as much sh*t with them and you can't clean it up with photoshop!
37 CallMeCapt : From what have seen, I sense a bruised ego. Justin, you say you have 1000 photos on this database and now you got a rejection. Did you expect to get t
38 AdamWright : I saw the photos in question and my screen did not show any jaggies... and my screen is pretty darn well calibrated. It'd be nice to have the photo po
39 Post contains images Mikephotos : Ok, I found the photo. Carefully studying it, I would have to agree with Gary. There seems to be a few JAGGIES in there. Can you find them? Mike
40 LGW : Is that the photo in question Mike? Those jaggies are easy to spot, and I'm on my CRT monitor
41 DLX737200 : This damn thread isn't even so much as worth it now as I see I'm not getting a bit of the support I sought after but... I do shoot for myself and trav
42 TransIsland : Ok, ITNHO (= in this nobody's humble opinion) this can be interpreted as a truce. Good idea.
43 Post contains images Fly747 : That will get you really far... Grow a thicker skin and don't be a cry baby. You can't get any support without showing the pics. We don't know if the
44 Post contains images INNflight : So you - as 16-20 year old - relatively new to photography, dare to call all the screeners and photographers who are doing this since before you've e
45 Cosec59 : Some of these forum members may not upload many on this site nor exclusively photograph aircraft.They're main interest may well lay elsewhere. They m
46 UA935 : What sort of feedback were you looking for? Other photographers who want to slag off the screeners along with you? You clearly do not want any advice
47 Dlx737200 : Who's crying? I realized my actions and rightly apologized for such. I may not be as experienced as some in this hobby but I surely know what I am do
48 INNflight : You can be sure I did do so. Who are the "know it alls" with no experience you refer to?!? You've got replies of 4,5 (.5 = Peter) different screeners
49 Post contains images Cosec59 : Well at least I'm not the only one wondering that
50 Post contains images TimdeGroot : The only posts from a knowitall are those with dlx737200 above it Give it a break man, you were shot down on the forum as much as you were in gary's e
51 Dendrobatid : So Justin makes a derogatory comment to a screener (Granite) who snaps back. Now there's a surprise. I am not a party to the crap the screeners get ba
52 Post contains images Linco22 : The screeners have every right to voice their opinions on this forum. The fact that Gary has spoke up is great. Thats the way it should be. As far as
53 Dlx737200 :
54 Post contains images Fergulmcc : Couldn't agree more with your comments Mick, well said. There are a lot of people who will help and give you advice if you ask and more importantly s
55 Post contains images JeffM : Damn, You guys are tough...
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