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User currently offlineCruiser From Canada, joined Apr 2005, 1001 posts, RR: 7
Posted (8 years 8 months 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 1528 times:

Hi guys,

As we are getting close to summer, I am beginning to think about the great shots that I will be able to take. I currently have the 70-200F4L lens, and I find that many of my shots are affected by heat haze, especially when the planes are fairly small in the picture. I have been thinking about getting the Canon 100-400L IS, and I was wondering if anyone is having a problem with heat haze?

This may seem like a silly question, and no doubt JeffM will have a smart answer, but I was thinking that the 100-400 would make the planes much larger in the frame, and therefore will not be AS affected by heat haze.

What are people's experiences? Does it help with heat haze, or is it just something that cannot be avoided?

Thanks in advance,
James


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User currently offlineViv From Ireland, joined May 2005, 3142 posts, RR: 28
Reply 1, posted (8 years 8 months 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 1519 times:

Everyone has problems with heat haze. A more powerfuil zoom will magnify the haze as well as the aircraft.

There is no cure, by lens, filter, post-processing or voodoo dancing.

In Summer, shoot in early morning or late evening.



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User currently offlineThierryD From Luxembourg, joined Dec 2005, 2081 posts, RR: 51
Reply 2, posted (8 years 8 months 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 1514 times:
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The most effective measures to counter heat haze is getting as near to the plane as possible and/or taking shots of aircraft at quite a distance from the ground since it's the heat radiating from the ground that produces the hated heat haze.

Thierry



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User currently offlineLinco22 From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2005, 1380 posts, RR: 15
Reply 3, posted (8 years 8 months 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 1507 times:

Quoting Cruiser (Thread starter):
This may seem like a silly question, and no doubt JeffM will have a smart answer,

Come on Jeff?????? lol

My advice, shoot in the morning and late afternoon early evening to avoid heat haze. It cant be fixed or removed in any way

Regards
Colin  Smile


User currently offlineFly747 From Canada, joined Apr 2005, 1497 posts, RR: 9
Reply 4, posted (8 years 8 months 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 1491 times:

Quoting Cruiser (Thread starter):
As we are getting close to summer, I am beginning to think about the great shots that I will be able to take.

Heat haze can affect photos even in winter time. Edmonton is pretty bad for that. Some days there's heat haze even at sub zero temperatures. The difference in temperatures creates heat haze, not only on a hot summer day.

Ivan


User currently offlineVasanthD From India, joined May 2005, 450 posts, RR: 9
Reply 5, posted (8 years 8 months 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 1452 times:

Always shoot close to the object in a heat haze situation. And nearer to the object does not mean you can satisfy by a longer focal length.

This was taken at 100+deg and as you can see, the heat haze reduces for closer shots...chk the backgroud for amazing killer haze....no way one can shoot long range pics in this situation...

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Regards,
Vas



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User currently offlineWhyWhyZed From Canada, joined Jan 2005, 914 posts, RR: 16
Reply 6, posted (8 years 8 months 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 1442 times:

I was actually thinking of heat haze not too long ago. I know Heat haze is pretty much the difference in two temperatures colliding at ground level. Which made me think.

Would standing up at a higher elevation (the top of a 2/3 story building) be better than standing on the GROUND? You're still standing on something that'd be changing temperatures, but because it's not indefinitely deep like the ground, it should warm up faster, and therefore prevent haze being at that level. Understand what i'm trying to say?

Just my  twocents 

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User currently offlineWalter2222 From Belgium, joined Sep 2005, 1303 posts, RR: 28
Reply 7, posted (8 years 8 months 5 days ago) and read 1429 times:

Quoting WhyWhyZed (Reply 6):
Would standing up at a higher elevation (the top of a 2/3 story building) be better than standing on the GROUND?

According to me, it is more dependant in which direction your are shooting. If you are standing on that high building and shooting aircraft on the ground, you will still have trouble with the heat haze (if it is there). On the other hand, when standing on the ground and shooting into the air, there will be less effect... (just my idea, in Belgium we have more problems with the rain  Sad ...).

Quoting VasanthD (Reply 5):
Always shoot close to the object in a heat haze situation. And nearer to the object does not mean you can satisfy by a longer focal length.

...and this is not only true for heat haze, but also for rain, snow, fog, ...

Best regards,

Walter



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User currently offlinePhilhyde From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 678 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (8 years 8 months 5 days ago) and read 1413 times:

Quoting Walter2222 (Reply 7):
According to me, it is more dependant in which direction your are shooting. If you are standing on that high building and shooting aircraft on the ground, you will still have trouble with the heat haze (if it is there). On the other hand, when standing on the ground and shooting into the air, there will be less effect... (just my idea, in Belgium we have more problems with the rain Sad ...).

Yes, I would agree. I've found that I have the most problems with distortion from reflected heat waves from the concrete. When taking photographs of planes in the air, this is minimized. So for example, try to take the photograph of the plane on approach or after takeoff instead of on the ground.

cheers,
Phil



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User currently offlineGranite From UK - Scotland, joined May 1999, 5577 posts, RR: 63
Reply 9, posted (8 years 8 months 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 1406 times:
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James

I have the 100-400 and believe me heathaze can be a problem even in April in the north east of Scotland!

I got a nice Airbus CRJ on the runway here a few weeks ago but haze has spoiled it a little. I was planning to capture it landing and wish I did not.

So, in Summer, if I want to capture something nice where heathaze will be a problem, I will go for a landing study.

Regards

Gary


User currently offlineBubbles From Canada, joined Apr 2005, 1196 posts, RR: 51
Reply 10, posted (8 years 8 months 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 1394 times:
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Hi James,

I am suffering the same problem from last summer. I would agree on what Gary said, quoted below.

Quoting Granite (Reply 9):
So, in Summer, if I want to capture something nice where heathaze will be a problem, I will go for a landing study.

And even for landing shots, you may also need to be careful. Sometimes, from FedEx the landing planes for Runway 05 might have been ruined by heat haze.

Quoting Granite (Reply 9):
heathaze can be a problem even in April in the north east of Scotland!

The situation seems also applicable for Toronto. I have been experiencing this recently, as well.

And I also agree with Viv, about the good time for photography in summer, quoted below.

Quoting Viv (Reply 1):
In Summer, shoot in early morning or late evening.

_Hongyin_  wave 


User currently offline9VSPO From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (8 years 8 months 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 1392 times:

We never get heat haze at Blackpool!  Wink  duck 

User currently offlineDLKAPA From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (8 years 8 months 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 1376 times:

Quoting Granite (Reply 9):
I got a nice Airbus CRJ on the runway here a few weeks ago but haze has spoiled it a little. I was planning to capture it landing and wish I did not.

What's an Airbus CRJ?  confused 


User currently offline9VSPO From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (8 years 8 months 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 1373 times:

Quoting DLKAPA (Reply 12):
What's an Airbus CRJ?

It's one of those Fokker A340 thingy me bobs.  Big grin


User currently offlineCruiser From Canada, joined Apr 2005, 1001 posts, RR: 7
Reply 14, posted (8 years 8 months 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 1368 times:

It's very interesting to read all of the comments posted thus far. I honestly thought it was just a smog related problem in Toronto (and other large cities) during the really warm seasons.

I think that I am still going to go with the 100-400 for other reasons, but I thought that I would ask whether others were experiencing the same problems!

James



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User currently offlineWhyWhyZed From Canada, joined Jan 2005, 914 posts, RR: 16
Reply 15, posted (8 years 8 months 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 1361 times:

Quoting Cruiser (Reply 14):
I think that I am still going to go with the 100-400 for other reasons, but I thought that I would ask whether others were experiencing the same problems!

Great choice. Make sure to let me borrow it for a few shots at the YYZ meet. Big grin

- Jason DePodesta


User currently offlineCruiser From Canada, joined Apr 2005, 1001 posts, RR: 7
Reply 16, posted (8 years 8 months 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 1356 times:

Quoting WhyWhyZed (Reply 15):

Great choice. Make sure to let me borrow it for a few shots at the YYZ meet.

- Jason DePodesta

Unfortunately I cannot make it to the meet. As well, I will probably order it at the end of May, beginning of June when the paycheques start kicking in. But, I should be out a fair bit this summer, and feel free to try it out!

James



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User currently offlineGranite From UK - Scotland, joined May 1999, 5577 posts, RR: 63
Reply 17, posted (8 years 8 months 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 1337 times:
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Hi all

Ooops, my response should have been an Airbus A319CJ  Sad

Regards

Gary


User currently offlineJRadier From Netherlands, joined Sep 2004, 4722 posts, RR: 50
Reply 18, posted (8 years 8 months 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 1322 times:

Quoting 9VSPO (Reply 11):
We never get heat haze at Blackpool! Wink duck

Nor you get any noteworthy traffic  Wink



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User currently offlineLHRSIMON From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2002, 1343 posts, RR: 22
Reply 19, posted (8 years 8 months 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 1300 times:

I was shooting at Denham airfield with a 70-200 + 1.4 extender on full zoom. It was very cold (about) 5c with a strong wind but bright sunshine. It was freezing and my hands were numb but i was still getting heat haze from the runway.

Its a pig , and just something we have to deal with when dealing with long focal lengths. As others have said the only way round it is to get near to the aircraft. Or try to avoid to much concret/taxi ways between you and the subject. On a lot of GA strip this is possible due to grass taxi ways. But not the case at a major airport !!  

A good piece of advise is to ALWAYS check your photos on camera using the zoom in facility after the first couple of photos. Then check to see if haze is an issue in the spot you are using. I got caught out once. After 300 photo's in what i thought was perfect weather i got home and noticed the dread haze on many of the straight lines..... I never made that mistake again !!!!

[Edited 2006-04-21 00:48:12]

[Edited 2006-04-21 00:48:57]


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User currently offlineJayDavis From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 2000 posts, RR: 15
Reply 20, posted (8 years 8 months 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 1272 times:

Yes Vas, no doubt our killer summers produce LOTS of heat haze at DFW.

Can you believe it has already been 101 and 99 in April at DFW as well?

Goodness, if that is any indication of the summer we are going to have in DFW, I'm thinking about moving north !!  Smile


Jay


User currently offlineA388 From Netherlands Antilles, joined May 2001, 10000 posts, RR: 15
Reply 21, posted (8 years 8 months 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 1222 times:

Quoting Viv (Reply 1):
There is no cure, by lens, filter, post-processing or voodoo dancing.

Hmmm, I thaught the voodoo dance would have done the trick for me. Guess I was wrong, haha Big grin

Quoting VasanthD (Reply 5):
This was taken at 100+deg and as you can see, the heat haze reduces for closer shots...chk the backgroud for amazing killer haze....no way one can shoot long range pics in this situation...

Heey Vasanth, how are ya? Good to see familiar people here again after such a long time. I started talking about heat haze in my other thread at:

http://www.airliners.net/discussions...tion_photography/read.main/230499/

My photo got rejected because of bad quality (heat haze) so started this thread. I got the tip to read this thread from fellow member Bubbles (thank again Bubbles). Heat haze appear to be big problem to everybody and there seems to be no way around it!

As suggested above, one way to reduce the effect of heat haze is to get closer to the aircraft which I can imagine. But why would you get closer to the aircraft if you use a long lense (300mm)? Or do you mean close-up photography?

A388  bouncy 


User currently offlineBubbles From Canada, joined Apr 2005, 1196 posts, RR: 51
Reply 22, posted (8 years 8 months 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 1200 times:
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Hi Roger,

Quoting A388 (Reply 21):
thank again Bubbles

You are so welcome!  Wink

Quoting A388 (Reply 21):
But why would you get closer to the aircraft if you use a long lense (300mm)? Or do you mean close-up photography?

I think the heat haze problem could be alleviated if you stand closer to the aircraft. Of course, you could use a long lens to shoot the plane afar. But, the heat air between you and plane could generate haze and make the plane look wavy. That's why I think Vasanth said 'closer'.

_Hongyin_  wave 


User currently offlineA388 From Netherlands Antilles, joined May 2001, 10000 posts, RR: 15
Reply 23, posted (8 years 8 months 2 days ago) and read 1188 times:

Quoting Bubbles (Reply 22):
I think the heat haze problem could be alleviated if you stand closer to the aircraft. Of course, you could use a long lens to shoot the plane afar. But, the heat air between you and plane could generate haze and make the plane look wavy. That's why I think Vasanth said 'closer'.

_Hongyin_

Hey Bubbles. Now that I think of it again, it makes much more sense now. Thanks  Smile

Roger


User currently offlineLasham From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2005, 226 posts, RR: 17
Reply 24, posted (8 years 8 months 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 1178 times:
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Quoting Cruiser (Thread starter):
or is it just something that cannot be avoided?

Hi James

If its hot then you will also have the problem of high sun with dark undersides too.
I stay away from shooting long range ground shots 9.00-17.00 during the short English summer. I even stop taking all shots during this time due to the toppy sun. Start back in September!

Tony



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25 Post contains images VasanthD : Hi Roger, I'm fine... how r ya?? Yeah... Heat hazes are all over the place... including the area between your lens front element and the actual object
26 Post contains images Glennstewart : Not really. Ask away! Getting the 100-400 isn't going to help you. Heat haze is just going to be magnified and probably even worse if you're getting
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