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Q. About The Actual Screening Process?  
User currently offlinePhxplanes From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 436 posts, RR: 0
Posted (8 years 4 months 1 week 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 4232 times:

It seems like the screeners have been getting railed lately but I think you guys are doing a great job.
This question is mainly to screeners or other people who might have some insight into how our photos are screened. How many photos a day do you usually screen? How long does it take to screen a photo? Are there some photos you know right away should be rejected or accepted? Do you go over every inch of the photo to make sure it is good. Do you ever get to screen your own photos?

Any more insight, stories or other info you want to share would be great.

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User currently offlineTimdeGroot From Netherlands, joined Apr 2002, 3674 posts, RR: 64
Reply 1, posted (8 years 4 months 1 week 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 4231 times:
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Quoting Phxplanes (Thread starter):
How many photos a day do you usually screen?

That varies. Sometimes I do 500, some days none. Many screeners average out each year at around 100 a day.

Quoting Phxplanes (Thread starter):
How long does it take to screen a photo?

A minimum of around 30 seconds I think, but can range up to several minutes even.

Quoting Phxplanes (Thread starter):
Are there some photos you know right away should be rejected or accepted?

Yes many.

Quoting Phxplanes (Thread starter):
Do you go over every inch of the photo to make sure it is good

Yes

Quoting Phxplanes (Thread starter):
Do you ever get to screen your own photos?

No

Tim



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User currently offlineAero145 From Iceland, joined Jan 2005, 3071 posts, RR: 21
Reply 2, posted (8 years 4 months 1 week 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 4218 times:

Quoting Phxplanes (Thread starter):
It seems like the screeners have been getting railed lately but I think you guys are doing a great job.

I agree with you 100%.  checkmark 

The screeners are doing a great job, that is for sure! It really takes much time from a screener to screen one photo (please correct me if I am wrong).

-David


User currently offlineNIKV69 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (8 years 4 months 1 week 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 4192 times:

Quoting Phxplanes (Thread starter):
It seems like the screeners have been getting railed lately but I think you guys are doing a great job.



Quoting Aero145 (Reply 2):
I agree with you 100%.

The screeners are doing a great job

uh oh, two people with the same attitude as me!  biggrin  Be advised you may get called a kiss ass by some people here, don't let it faze you. Just keep shooting and uploading. The screeners have the most thankless job but they do a their job fairly to all, it's all we can ask.


User currently offlineCosec59 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (8 years 4 months 1 week 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 4183 times:

Quoting TimdeGroot (Reply 1):
Sometimes I do 500



Quoting TimdeGroot (Reply 1):
A minimum of around 30 seconds I think

 wideeyed 
I reckon that's over 4hrs at a go


User currently offline9VSPO From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (8 years 4 months 1 week 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 4162 times:

Quoting Cosec59 (Reply 4):
I reckon that's over 4hrs at a go

And the rest!


User currently offlineCosec59 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (8 years 4 months 1 week 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 4158 times:

Quoting 9VSPO (Reply 5):
Quoting Cosec59 (Reply 4):
I reckon that's over 4hrs at a go

And the rest!

I meant as a minimum  boggled 


User currently offlineAero145 From Iceland, joined Jan 2005, 3071 posts, RR: 21
Reply 7, posted (8 years 4 months 1 week 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 4158 times:

Quoting NIKV69 (Reply 3):
Quoting Phxplanes (Thread starter):
It seems like the screeners have been getting railed lately but I think you guys are doing a great job.



Quoting Aero145 (Reply 2):
I agree with you 100%.

The screeners are doing a great job

uh oh, two people with the same attitude as me! biggrin Be advised you may get called a kiss ass by some people here, don't let it faze you. Just keep shooting and uploading. The screeners have the most thankless job but they do a their job fairly to all, it's all we can ask.

Hello NIKV69!

I've heard of people talking about these "ass-kissers". Thank you for the advise, I will not let people who talk badly about me let me down.  Smile

Regards,
David


User currently offlinePhxplanes From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 436 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (8 years 4 months 1 week 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 4127 times:

Thanks Tim, its to bad you dont get to screen your own photos. Your acceptance ratio might suddenly become 100%.

User currently offlinePhilhyde From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 678 posts, RR: 1
Reply 9, posted (8 years 4 months 1 week 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 4122 times:

Quoting NIKV69 (Reply 3):
Be advised you may get called a kiss ass by some people here

I would never call a poster a kiss ass, at least not in public. However, posts to the tune of "oh my gawd you guys, like the screeners are doing such a great job" do sound a little, well, like kissing ass. I submit that a much better approach, and one that I might actually employ to inform someone of their kiss-assity, would be to drop a private note to them.

My $.02... Thanks for the information, Tim.

cheers,
Phil



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User currently offlineD L X From United States of America, joined May 1999, 11273 posts, RR: 52
Reply 10, posted (8 years 4 months 1 week 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 4102 times:

Quoting NIKV69 (Reply 3):
Be advised you may get called a kiss ass by some people here

There's a big difference between telling screeners that their work is appreciated and talking down any and all people that disagree. The people that rail on those that express an alternate opinion seem to be the ones that are called kiss-asses. Let those that feel that they have a legitimate complaint complain. Even if they're probably wrong.

With that said, OMG!! The screeners sooooo rock. They rock like Cleveland.



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User currently offlineGlennstewart From Australia, joined Jun 2003, 1124 posts, RR: 54
Reply 11, posted (8 years 4 months 1 week 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 4088 times:

Quoting Phxplanes (Thread starter):
It seems like the screeners have been getting railed lately but I think you guys are doing a great job..

Thanks for the nice words.

Quoting Phxplanes (Thread starter):
How many photos a day do you usually screen?

This varies - because as one would expect, we all have our day to day life. I like to screen at least 50 photos per day, but achieving 200 per day would be optimal. On a day off, I've been keen to do more but it's enjoyable (and I can give a lot of time to each shot uploaded) when screening in smaller batches.

Quoting Phxplanes (Thread starter):
How long does it take to screen a photo??

This varies as well.
I've been screening for over three years now, so many of the more typical rejection types are very easy to spot. If they're easy for me to spot in a couple of seconds, the photographer should have picked them up on their self screening.
It's just as easy to spot a high quality shot where there are not only no obvious flaws, but everything seems right (which by the way also includes any information entered into the form).

It's the 50/50 shots that are the hardest to screen. I can spend anything from 20 seconds to minutes looking at a shot and if I think that the shot isn't necessarily HQ material, but isn't reject material... I provide my comments and opinions as to be read by screeners to review the shot after me.

I think the longest I've spent on a shot has been a USAF shot by a new photographer. It's a pet peeve of mine to ensure that the USAF regsitrations are correct. Most photographers seem to get USAF registrations wrong and if it's a regular uploader who should know better, then really it's a rejection on info. But I'm happy to spend time chasing up a registration for a new photographer, and personally emailing them to ensure they get it right in the future. For one particularly hard registration, this took me about 20 minutes to look the information up and send as much information to the photographer as possible.

We screen because we love photography. Dedicating time to ensure we look after our contributors is important as well. But it's hard to dedicate as much time to all 12,000 of you as we would like.

It's for this reason when I read negative comments pointed towards screeners, that I really feel quite betrayed. We have to reject to ensure high standards, and sometimes people complain on rejects that are quite clear cut.

Quoting Phxplanes (Thread starter):
Are there some photos you know right away should be rejected or accepted?

Certainly!
The first screening queue is riddled with many a well below standards shot. There are some photos I've screened which have been rejected for over 20 reasons.
Would you believe some people even upload mobile phone camera shots?
I've even seen a shot taken of an aircraft which appeared on someone's TV set at home.

Quoting Phxplanes (Thread starter):
Do you go over every inch of the photo to make sure it is good.

After screening for a while, most things jump out. This even includes the uncanny ability to see CCD dust spots without having to contrast a shot. Angles are noted without rulers. Cloned out potions are noted without having to stare.

I certainly don't pull out the fine tooth comb though. Being harsh on a shot isn't what we're about. By three screeners looking at a shot is often enough to weed out the good from the bad.

Quoting Phxplanes (Thread starter):
Do you ever get to screen your own photos?

NEVER! Not possible!
The screening system is so well designed and audited as well, that any self screening, or screening for fellow screeners simply jumps out.
The system is far more fair and the screening attitudes appear to be more focused towards giving photographers a fair go rather than ourselves.

Quoting Phxplanes (Thread starter):
Any more insight, stories or other info you want to share would be great.

I have heard many a photographer believe that they were being targeted:
"The screeners are so keen to reject my shots and not others"
As a screener, I can state that I never pay attention to whose shots I screen. It's irrelevant! But it becomes obvious given that many shots from one photographer are grouped together, that 5 shots from photographer A might have the same flaw, and the following 5 shots from photographer B have no flaws. This to me screams that if you're getting a lot of rejections, you're doing the same wrong thing over and over.

I have often gone through the queue and had to reject a whole bunch of shots from one photographer for a particular flaw. Generally on the last shot of the bunch, I'll send a personal message stating something similar to:
"Please be careful when sharpening, not to over sharpen. All of you shots have been rejected for jagged. Please re-edit and reupload".

---

I can only say that the improvements made to the screening rules and the screening process are such that to me, I find it far easier and screening seems more consistent than it did last year and the year before that.

The screening team seems to always be fair and keen to discuss improvments to the process and the site. I hope that this is the perception of the photographers who upload.

Screening is a hard task to perform, and any rejection should be taken as guidance not as a personal attack.

But I leave you with this thought:

We're human and because of that we can only try our best to maintain consitency with our own screening and that of the team. We don't always get it right but we try our best.

To put yourself in our position, if shown 500 photos and asked to critique (based on a set of guidelines) on Monday, then shown the same 500 shots on Wednesday - would you have the same 500 opinions? Furthermore, would you have the same 500 opinions as every other screener?


Glenn



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User currently offlineD L X From United States of America, joined May 1999, 11273 posts, RR: 52
Reply 12, posted (8 years 4 months 1 week 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 4075 times:

Quoting Glennstewart (Reply 11):
It's for this reason when I read negative comments pointed towards screeners, that I really feel quite betrayed.

That's really unfortunate, Glenn. I would hope you wouldn't feel betrayed by someone questioning the screeners, but I suppose it's understandable. I think a lot of the complaints come from not being able to perceive what it would be like to be in your shoes. (The big complaint thread today seems indicative of that, and for what it's worth, I am not he.) Few I think understand the scale on which you guys operate, and I think the knee-jerk complaints fail not only you for causing this feeling of betrayal, but the other photographers, whose legitimate (although thankfully rare) complaints will be downplayed.

In any event, my understanding of the screening process and the job you guys do has helped me get shots uploaded here, and helped me get better feedback when rejected. So, seriously, Thanks. And don't feel betrayed.  Smile



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User currently offlineNIKV69 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (8 years 4 months 1 week 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 4066 times:

Quoting Aero145 (Reply 7):
I've heard of people talking about these "ass-kissers". Thank you for the advise, I will not let people who talk badly about me let me down

Good for you!  biggrin 

Quoting Philhyde (Reply 9):
I would never call a poster a kiss ass, at least not in public. However, posts to the tune of "oh my gawd you guys, like the screeners are doing such a great job" do sound a little, well, like kissing ass. I submit that a much better approach, and one that I might actually employ to inform someone of their kiss-assity, would be to drop a private note to them.

That is great, you basically said you would never call a poster a kiss ass and then you did call the thread starter a kiss ass. This forum is for people to express themselves, if they chose to do it here rather than through email that is their right and I see nothing wrong with it.


User currently offlineD L X From United States of America, joined May 1999, 11273 posts, RR: 52
Reply 14, posted (8 years 4 months 1 week 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 4061 times:

Quoting NIKV69 (Reply 13):
That is great, you basically said you would never call a poster a kiss ass and then you did call the thread starter a kiss ass. This forum is for people to express themselves, if they chose to do it here rather than through email that is their right and I see nothing wrong with it.

I'm not so sure that you're the one who should be policing hypocrisy. Aren't you often telling people to butt out, claiming they do not have a right to express themselves when you didn't address them specifically?

In any event, I think we should stick to the topic at hand.



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User currently offlineGlennstewart From Australia, joined Jun 2003, 1124 posts, RR: 54
Reply 15, posted (8 years 4 months 1 week 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 4046 times:

Quoting D L X (Reply 12):
That's really unfortunate, Glenn. I would hope you wouldn't feel betrayed by someone questioning the screeners, but I suppose it's understandable.

I actually like answering questions from photographers and I don't mind people questioning screeners. I am speaking for myself, but from behind the scenes I have seen this site grow and mature and part of the reason for the progression forwards has been due to suggestions and discussions on this forum.

Quoting D L X (Reply 12):
In any event, my understanding of the screening process and the job you guys do has helped me get shots uploaded here, and helped me get better feedback when rejected. So, seriously, Thanks. And don't feel betrayed.

I certainly appreciate the comments, and this is especially so from a long standing member of this website.



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User currently offlineGranite From UK - Scotland, joined May 1999, 5568 posts, RR: 64
Reply 16, posted (8 years 4 months 1 week 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 4038 times:
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Hi all

Haven't had time to answer anything on this thread yet but agree with Glenn, I like answering questions about screening processes as long as the question is fully thought out and composed well.

Regards

Gary


User currently offlineNIKV69 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (8 years 4 months 1 week 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 4003 times:

Quoting D L X (Reply 14):
I'm not so sure that you're the one who should be policing hypocrisy. Aren't you often telling people to butt out, claiming they do not have a right to express themselves when you didn't address them specifically?

Why is that hypocritcal? I have asked for advice from non-screeners and it was for the most part off base, this is why I seek adivce from the screeners, their eye is much more accurate. It is my right and there is no hypocracy involved.


User currently offlineJumboJim747 From Australia, joined Oct 2004, 2464 posts, RR: 44
Reply 18, posted (8 years 4 months 1 week 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 3994 times:

Call me a Kiss Ass or anything you like but i have to say this.
Reply 11 from glen is one of the best and well written Posts i have ever seen here on Anet.
Cheers Glenn you are truly an asset to Anet.

Quoting Granite (Reply 16):
I like answering questions about screening processes as long as the question is fully thought out and composed well.

I can vouch for Gary here one of the most helpful and friendly screeners you can ever get in contact with.  Smile
Thx all



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User currently offlineCodeshare From Poland, joined Sep 2002, 1854 posts, RR: 1
Reply 19, posted (8 years 4 months 1 week 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 3983 times:

@Screeners
Just a small question here:
do you ever get the feeling that the photo you are currently looking at is better then the previous one that got a 'yes' from you, and that the previous one should have been rejected?

KS/codeshare



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User currently offlineJavibi From Spain, joined Oct 2004, 1371 posts, RR: 41
Reply 20, posted (8 years 4 months 1 week 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 3976 times:

Quoting JumboJim747 (Reply 18):
Cheers Glenn you are truly an asset to Anet.

 checkmark 

j



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User currently offlineAIRBUSRIDER From United States of America, joined Nov 2004, 208 posts, RR: 1
Reply 21, posted (8 years 4 months 1 week 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 3946 times:

Would it be possible to post a shot or two of what the actual screening process looks like to a screener? I mean the actual screening page that the screener is using when looking at the photo? I was always curious about what that might look like.


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User currently offlineJavibi From Spain, joined Oct 2004, 1371 posts, RR: 41
Reply 22, posted (8 years 4 months 1 week 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 3942 times:

Quoting AIRBUSRIDER (Reply 21):
Would it be possible to post a shot or two of what the actual screening process looks like to a screener?

There is an old thread showing this:
Question About Screeners (by Bruce Jul 8 2002 in Aviation Photography)

Regards

j



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User currently offlineNIKV69 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (8 years 4 months 1 week 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 3929 times:

Quoting Javibi (Reply 22):
There is an old thread showing this:

Thanks for posting that thread, it's very informative!  biggrin 


User currently offlineGlennstewart From Australia, joined Jun 2003, 1124 posts, RR: 54
Reply 24, posted (8 years 4 months 1 week 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 3875 times:

Quoting JumboJim747 (Reply 18):
Call me a Kiss Ass or anything you like but i have to say this.
Reply 11 from glen is one of the best and well written Posts i have ever seen here on Anet.
Cheers Glenn you are truly an asset to Anet.

Mate... on the side, the beer and steak are coming your way shortly  biting 
But seriously, thanks... I'm finally getting back into the swing of things in terms of screening, replying to forum and uploading. Had a lot on my plate of late, and I'm glad to spend time sharing what I know and helping whenever I can.



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25 Post contains images Glennstewart : Thanks Javier! Glad to have already shared a steak and beer with you Now, I must say Madrid is still somewhere on my calendar.
26 Post contains images Javibi : I hope whatever happened was for good You are more than welcome here in Madrid, I hope this goes beyond the project stage soon. Cheers j
27 Post contains images Mygind66 : J and Glenn couple of the year You can marry each other in Spain already!! Talking seriously... you do a hard job. All my respect. Enrique
28 ANITIX87 : WHAT!?!?!?!!??!?!? I don't believe you! You have the nerve NOT to dedicate every minute of your life to bringing the queue down? How DARE you?! Haha.
29 D L X : Because when it suits you, you say this board is about letting people express themselves and how you "have a right", and when it doesn't suit you, yo
30 Glennstewart : LOL I only do this to keep you on your toes :P
31 Deaphen : one question.. how do u become a screener?
32 Granite : Hi Nitin Your 'Headhunted' by the screening team! Regards Gary
33 DC10Tim : With so many uploaders, how do you remember what everyone's work looks like? Tim.
34 Granite : Tim This is why it is a long process in selecting new screeenrs. We screen every day. Names are put forward. We review the stuff. Keep watching then d
35 Deaphen : Ah! cool I hope i can impress them! Not with my current record though.. got lots of rejections.. but i am waitin for the ultimate shot.. actually.. t
36 ANITIX87 : I thought so, haha. I'll get back at you guys when all my shots become history-making in their quality and appearance. You'll have no choice but to a
37 Post contains images 9VSPO : Antonis Panayotatos, I like you, you are so funny LOL!
38 Klgaviation : Guys, I think that the most important this a screener can possibly do is put a comment if there is something significant the person can be doing that
39 Granite : Chris Yes we do that. Infact I have just passed some comments on rejected images a few moments ago. While we would like to do this for every rejection
40 ANITIX87 : Why, thank you oh so much! Welcome to my RR list, then. I did, however, make some mean cracks about some of your threads once, I apologize, you don't
41 Glennstewart : TIS, I will use personal comments often. I like taking the time to write a sentence or two if this helps the photographer. We can't do it to every sh
42 KLGAviation : Glenn, You have no idea how much I appreciate that response, and how long I've been awaiting one of its content. Thank you! Chris
43 Glennstewart : Chris, I am glad I can help... and I can only hope that any insight I can provide into the screening process leads towards a greater understanding an
44 Post contains images S12PPL : Nah...We just think that about you, Nick
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