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User currently offlineAviationwiz From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 962 posts, RR: 4
Posted (8 years 4 months 2 hours ago) and read 4139 times:

Now, like so many others here, I've had *EVERY* photo I've ever
submitted rejected. Like so many other people, I just get right back
up and try again, which I've done, time and time again. Here's the
photo in question:

http://www.aviationwiz.net/photo/saa_winglet.jpg

Can anyone help me with that one? I'm at a loss. I've had other people
look at it and they say it's one of the best shots they have seen.

It was rejected for:

"There is too much grain or digital noise in these photo(s). All scans
contain a certain amount of grain, and all images from digital cameras
contain a certain amount of digital noise, but these amounts should be
kept at acceptable values."


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User currently offlineDiezel From Netherlands, joined Oct 2002, 646 posts, RR: 11
Reply 1, posted (8 years 4 months 2 hours ago) and read 4124 times:

Hi,

Try uploading the image with a width of 1024 instead of 1600. Also the color is a bit off and there are a couple of tiny white dots. In the upper left and right corner there is some vignetting (?) visible. But I do like it!

I did a quick edit to make the colors look more natural (Actually this is the perfect picture to get the colors right as there is white, grey and black in the picture) and got rid of most of the noise by reducing the size. Hope you like it.

Big version: Width: 1024 Height: 776 File size: 369kb


Roel.



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User currently offlineJRadier From Netherlands, joined Sep 2004, 4676 posts, RR: 50
Reply 2, posted (8 years 4 months 1 hour ago) and read 4102 times:

Roel, to me the colour on your pic is far too warm (while in Avi's it's right.) I recon it has to do with monitor temperature (9300K here)


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User currently offlineAviationwiz From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 962 posts, RR: 4
Reply 3, posted (8 years 3 months 2 weeks 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 4020 times:

I got some help from D L X, and reuploaded it, and it got rejected for "quality". That's it, nothing else mentioned. Any ideas? To say this is getting frustrating would be the understatement of the year!

http://aviationwiz.net/photo/anet/20060507_AviSAA.jpg



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User currently offline777MechSys From United States of America, joined Apr 2006, 350 posts, RR: 3
Reply 4, posted (8 years 3 months 2 weeks 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 4016 times:
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I am no expert by any means. I am still learning. I barely know which end of the camera to look through.

On the second shot I see alot of JPEG compression artifacting (I believe that is what it is called) along the leading and trailing edge. Possibly a tad over sharpened. The grain is gone  Smile and replaced with other issues  Wow!.

I'm not sure how to fix but that is the problems I see.

-Erick


User currently offline777MechSys From United States of America, joined Apr 2006, 350 posts, RR: 3
Reply 5, posted (8 years 3 months 2 weeks 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 4015 times:
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Sorry for the double post... I just upgraded Opera and apparently there are issues with it and a.net

-erick

[Edited 2006-05-07 06:53:31]

User currently offlineJeffM From United States of America, joined May 2005, 3266 posts, RR: 52
Reply 6, posted (8 years 3 months 2 weeks 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 4008 times:

Quoting Aviationwiz (Reply 3):
I got some help from D L X, and reuploaded it, and it got rejected for "quality".

Did you do the editing, or did DLX?


User currently offlineD L X From United States of America, joined May 1999, 11265 posts, RR: 52
Reply 7, posted (8 years 3 months 2 weeks 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 3978 times:

I gave him an edit, and showed him what I did. I said that if he wanted to, he could use my edit, without credit.


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User currently offlineFlyfisher1976 From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 804 posts, RR: 2
Reply 8, posted (8 years 3 months 2 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 3953 times:

Quoting Aviationwiz (Reply 3):
I got some help from D L X, and reuploaded it, and it got rejected for "quality". That's it, nothing else mentioned. Any ideas? To say this is getting frustrating would be the understatement of the year!

I like this shot a lot. The first edit really had an over-processed appearance to it. The secong shot still looks a bit over-processed or compressed. What workflow are you using?

JD


User currently offlineAviationwiz From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 962 posts, RR: 4
Reply 9, posted (8 years 3 months 2 weeks 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 3923 times:

I use a combination of Apple iPhoto and Adobe Photoshop.

-Avi



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User currently offlinePsych From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2004, 3048 posts, RR: 58
Reply 10, posted (8 years 3 months 2 weeks 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 3902 times:
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Hi Avi.

I must say that the subject lends itself to a photograph, with all those vibrant colours on the winglet against the lovely blue sky.

I have a couple of thoughts - though I am somewhat biased in favour of the more traditional 3:2 aspect ratio, I think it would be better suited to this image, as there is quite a lot of 'dead' sky at the top of the image that doesn't really add anything. I think that could be cropped out and it would benefit the image.

I have to agree with Erick that there is quite a lot of compression noticeable in the second shot. The suggestion to upload at the smaller size was definitely correct, but I wonder whether the quality problems are inherent in the original file. Were you using a non-DSLR camera? It seems to me that it is increasingly difficult to get over the quality hurdle these days with non-DSLR equipment, and one of the key factors in the quality is the graininess of the image and that compression. Also I think the more the camera does to the image at the time of shooting - i.e. saturating colour, adding sharpening etc - the worse the outcome for those trying to upload here. If you can switch that off do so - and deal with things in post-processing, where you have more control.

If you feel I may be able to help with the image just let me know.

Paul


User currently offlineFlyfisher1976 From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 804 posts, RR: 2
Reply 11, posted (8 years 3 months 2 weeks 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 3882 times:

Quoting Flyfisher1976 (Reply 8):
What workflow are you using?



Quoting Aviationwiz (Reply 9):
I use a combination of Apple iPhoto and Adobe Photoshop.

My question was not pertaining to what software, but which workflow you are using. Your results seem to be inconsistent and over-processed. A workflow is important because it helps you to achieve predictable consistent results every time you edit a photo. Check out Fergul's workflow on the photo upload page.


User currently offlineANITIX87 From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 3302 posts, RR: 13
Reply 12, posted (8 years 3 months 2 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 3871 times:
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Quoting Aviationwiz (Reply 9):
I use a combination of Apple iPhoto and Adobe Photoshop.

I tried using iPhoto for my first few edit attempts and found it completely useless. There is a great workflow for Photoshop available on this site in the photo upload page created by A.Netter Fergul. (As a PDF file). I've used it and it works quite well once you get the hang of it, because it leaves quite a bit open to interpretation (which is good, so that you can be creative).

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User currently offlineAviationwiz From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 962 posts, RR: 4
Reply 13, posted (8 years 3 months 2 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 3839 times:

Quoting Psych (Reply 10):
Were you using a non-DSLR camera?

Yeah, I took that on a Canon PowerShot G5, before I got my Rebel XT.

Quoting Flyfisher1976 (Reply 11):
Check out Fergul's workflow on the photo upload page.



Quoting ANITIX87 (Reply 12):
There is a great workflow for Photoshop available on this site in the photo upload page created by A.Netter Fergul.

Thanks! I checked it out, and used that with the recommendations I've received in this thread, and here's what I've got:

http://aviationwiz.net/photo/anet/AviSAA-3.jpg

How's it look now?



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User currently offlineAviationwiz From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 962 posts, RR: 4
Reply 14, posted (8 years 3 months 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 3757 times:

Here it is, my first acceptance:

View Large View Medium
Click here for bigger photo!

Photo © Avi Goldstein



Thanks all! I was so happy today when I got the acceptance email, been getting a lot of congratulations emails from friends,  Smile



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