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Panning Is Hard...  
User currently offlinePsyops From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (8 years 4 months 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 2505 times:

I know it has been said in here before, but panning is difficult. Practice I am sure makes perfect.

Here is my latest attempt, not good enough for here, but I thought the prop contrails were pretty cool.



Pete

[Edited 2006-04-29 00:25:13]

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User currently offlineOlegShv From Sweden, joined Mar 2006, 683 posts, RR: 2
Reply 1, posted (8 years 4 months 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 2475 times:

Quoting Psyops (Thread starter):
Here is my latest attempt, not good enough for here, but I thought the prop contrails were pretty cool.

Why do you think it's not good enough for here? Did it get rejected? I think it's a terrific shot!


User currently offlineTACAA320 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (8 years 4 months 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 2451 times:

Quoting OlegShv (Reply 1):
I think it's a terrific shot!

Amen!


User currently offlinePsyops From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (8 years 4 months 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 2420 times:

I think the nose is a bit soft, and dark.

Too bad, 'cause I was up at 0445 to get out the airport for sunrise...

Pete

[Edited 2006-04-29 03:45:14]

User currently offlineGlennstewart From Australia, joined Jun 2003, 1124 posts, RR: 54
Reply 4, posted (8 years 4 months 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 2410 times:

Panning shots are both hard to master, and hard to have accepted. As a screener, I love being hard on my own panning shots. I often get home and I am either glad with the results, or I fail miserably.

I think there are a couple of keys to getting a high success rate with panning:

1. Know your minimum shutter speed and shoot shutter priority
2. Take into account aperture at the low shutter speed - thankfully in well lit conditions, aperture will usually be at the sweet spot of the lens (e.g. f11+).
3. Know whether lens image stabilisation will improve photo or not. Some stabilisation modes fight against panning.
4. Know which focusing modes work well with panning. Does continual focusing work well or not?
5. Shoot multiple continual shots as you pan not moving your hand from the shutter button. This can often allow you to concentrate on a smooth pan, rather than knocking the camera body each time you depress the shutter.

I'll share two of my hardest pans ever. The challenge was twofold:
a) Nearly no light, so both shots were 1600 ISO
b) Shutter speed was very, very low - between 1/10 and 1/30 (I would recommend not using less than 1/60)
c) Because of low light, the aperture used was wide open and hence on this old lens of mine, quite soft.

I was quite happy with the results for 2+ years ago. I'd state however that both were borderline for A.net years back, but neither would be accepted today. Thankfully improved lenses and camera body would ensure these shots would be MUCH better quality if I took them today.


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The Hawaiian shot was the first arrival into Sydney. It's an airline we would not normally be able to shoot in Sydney because of night arrivals.
The second shot was the most difficult ever. Of the 9 shots I panned with, only 1 worked and it was marginal at best. With the 30D and its excellent low noise ISO and 5fps shooting, I know that this shot would be MUCH easier if taken today.


Both shots were without sunlight



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User currently offlinePsych From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2004, 3048 posts, RR: 58
Reply 5, posted (8 years 4 months 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 2362 times:
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I agree that these shots are very difficult to get to a standard high enough to get through screening. I am very grateful to the screeners for enabling these 2 shots below to become part of my portfolio here (both at 1/40th, the lowest I would dare to go without fancy IS), and they illustrate one further bit of advice I would offer:

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I think one of the reasons these were okay was that the aircraft was directly perpendicular to my position when the shutter went. When the aircraft is off at an angle to you (as in Pete's example - very good effort - and Glenn's Hawaiian), I think it is even harder to freeze the motion across the whole length of the aircraft - often one part will be okay (depending on your point of focus), but somewhere like the nose or tail will be very slightly blurred.

Cheers.

Paul


User currently offlineOD720 From Lebanon, joined Feb 2003, 1924 posts, RR: 32
Reply 6, posted (8 years 4 months 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 2345 times:

I remember when I did this one, I was on my way to pack my camera but a fellow A.net photographer told me that we should wait for the EK flight.


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It was quite difficult since I was standing on an unstable rock to avoid the fence. The nose is a little blurry but the overall result is very much to my liking.

Regards.


User currently offlineMorvious From Netherlands, joined Feb 2005, 707 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (8 years 4 months 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 2329 times:

Wow, I really like the effect of these photos.
Everytime I see them I look to them for a long time.

http://www.eham.nu/files/planes/23-04-06/SvH-CON-B764-NXXXX.jpg

That was my first attempt one week ago. The weather was poor and I couldn't get the results with regular shots so I tried something different (Just to practise without spoiling oppertunities with better circumstances).
Shot was taken with 1/60th exposure and aperture F18.
Shot isns't cropped either, it didn't fit on my lens at 70mm, so next time I have to take a little step back for planes this size  Smile

Pete, your shot is wonderfull and I think it should be in the DB.

Keep them comming,

Stefan van Hierden



have a good day, Stefan van Hierden
User currently offlineZSOFN From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2005, 1413 posts, RR: 6
Reply 8, posted (8 years 4 months 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 2329 times:

Can't believe Javier's name hasn't popped up in this thread yet... Big grin


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User currently offlineMfz From Germany, joined Aug 2004, 259 posts, RR: 2
Reply 9, posted (8 years 4 months 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 2319 times:

Nice thread. I think most of us can only dram of Javier's panning-abilities!!!

Anyhow, IMHO a good IS-lens (when set to the correct mode) helps quite a lot when panning. I cannot say anything for Sigma's and Nikon's OS, but with Canon's IS set to mode 2 (on the 100-400L IS that is) you can achive good results even at 1/20th, as Javier's photo as well as the following exapmle show:


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Cheers,
Mike

[Edited 2006-04-29 11:10:26]


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User currently offlineLinco22 From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2005, 1380 posts, RR: 16
Reply 10, posted (8 years 4 months 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 2285 times:

Quoting ZSOFN (Reply 8):
Can't believe Javier's name hasn't popped up in this thread yet...

We're all so jealous thats what it is! Cracking shots from everyone.

As for the Jazz shot, I really like it. Get it in the que. Perhaps a little bit of selective lighting around the nose

Regards
Colin  Smile


User currently offlineQantasA332 From Australia, joined Dec 2003, 1500 posts, RR: 25
Reply 11, posted (8 years 4 months 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 2261 times:

I've had limited success with handheld panning shots. What's involved in getting workable shots pretty much boils down to setting the camera to continuous drive and firing away! If you take a series of 10+ sequential shots of an approach/departure, you're much more likely to have one that's workable.


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(don't mind the plugs)  Wink


User currently offlineMygind66 From Spain, joined May 2004, 1058 posts, RR: 12
Reply 12, posted (8 years 4 months 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 2243 times:

Nice photo Pete anyway and one of the best liveries on a Dash for sure..

Good luck next time and I bet you'll meet the standards to fit in A.net  Wink

Enrique


User currently offlineAGD From Canada, joined exactly 10 years ago today! , 204 posts, RR: 2
Reply 13, posted (8 years 4 months 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 2226 times:

Nice thread.

I always like to extend my spotting sessions,when some light is still available, for photography and especially panning. The results can be really cool, especially with some kind of background (buildings, lights, etc...). Gabriel shot of the Emirates 777-300 in SYD is to me the as good as it can get when you push the limits of your camera gear. Well done!

I haven't done much panning recently, I think my best effort must be that one, at 1/20s:


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Hopefully I'll get more shots like that next summer!

Alex G.-Denicourt



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User currently offlineJavibi From Spain, joined Oct 2004, 1371 posts, RR: 41
Reply 14, posted (8 years 4 months 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 2169 times:

Quoting Psyops (Thread starter):
not good enough for here

I do not see why, it is a very nice shot.

Quoting Glennstewart (Reply 4):
hard to have accepted.

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Quoting Glennstewart (Reply 4):
there are a couple of keys

A couple of five?!  Big grin

Quoting Glennstewart (Reply 4):
(I would recommend not using less than 1/60)

Sissy!

Quoting Glennstewart (Reply 4):
these shots would be MUCH better quality if I took them today.

Allow me to doubt it.

Quoting Glennstewart (Reply 4):
neither would be accepted today

Which is a pity  Sad

Quoting QantasA332 (Reply 11):
What's involved in getting workable shots pretty much boils down to setting the camera to continuous drive and firing away! If you take a series of 10+ sequential shots of an approach/departure, you're much more likely to have one that's workable

That is a half truth; sometimes by doing that you are making it actually more difficult for yourself, because your viewfinder will be obscured for most of the time making it hard to follow the plane's motion.

Quoting AGD (Reply 13):
especially with some kind of background

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Quoting Linco22 (Reply 10):
We're all so jealous thats what it is!

I do not think so.

Nice shots everyone!

j



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User currently offlineSulman From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 2035 posts, RR: 32
Reply 15, posted (8 years 4 months 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 2141 times:

I've found it tremendously hard, but very rewarding when you do get good results:


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User currently offlineGarri767 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (8 years 4 months 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 2109 times:

man this is turning into a "plug your panning shots thread"  Wink either way i thought the shot was awesome but apparently i was a tad off.

User currently offlineKLGAviation From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 243 posts, RR: 3
Reply 17, posted (8 years 4 months 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 2068 times:

Quoting Garri767 (Reply 16):
man this is turning into a "plug your panning shots thread" Wink either way i thought the shot was awesome but apparently i was a tad off.

Took the words out of my mouth. Great shot!!

Chris

[Edited 2006-04-30 20:16:43]


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User currently offlineMorvious From Netherlands, joined Feb 2005, 707 posts, RR: 1
Reply 18, posted (8 years 4 months 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 2025 times:

Quoting Garri767 (Reply 16):
man this is turning into a "plug your panning shots thread" either way i thought the shot was awesome but apparently i was a tad off.

Hehe, thats hard to do with only a few shots in the DB, an no one that I could post in this thread what is related!!

I will popup this thread again when I have one that I could plug alright  Wink!!

Anyway, I understand that people post their panning shots here.. They should be proud of it!



have a good day, Stefan van Hierden
User currently offlineLHRSIMON From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2002, 1343 posts, RR: 22
Reply 19, posted (8 years 4 months 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 2013 times:

Panning shots are always a good test of oneself and equipment. Yes this is a plug but i just wanted to point out that panning does not just have to be limited to Airlines. GA can look pretty cool as well  Smile


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Simon C
 Smile



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User currently offlineGlennstewart From Australia, joined Jun 2003, 1124 posts, RR: 54
Reply 20, posted (8 years 4 months 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 1907 times:

Quoting ZSOFN (Reply 8):
Can't believe Javier's name hasn't popped up in this thread yet..

LOL I was going to say the same thing. And two of the examples you've posted are in my backyard in Sydney.

Quoting Javibi (Reply 14):
Quoting Glennstewart (Reply 4):
(I would recommend not using less than 1/60)

Sissy!

Sorry... disclaimer: Not recommended for those starting out.
You're well practiced Javier and I can't see you going above 1/60th :P

Glenn



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User currently offlineIL76 From Netherlands, joined Jan 2004, 2237 posts, RR: 48
Reply 21, posted (8 years 4 months 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 1901 times:

I see that all panningshots are basically taken side-on. Although difficult to get right (it's never 100% sharp), non-sideon pans are cool to try too...

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User currently offlineGlennstewart From Australia, joined Jun 2003, 1124 posts, RR: 54
Reply 22, posted (8 years 4 months 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 1898 times:

Quoting IL76 (Reply 21):
Although difficult to get right (it's never 100% sharp), non-sideon pans are cool to try too...

Low light and wide open aperture really (and obviously so) lead to DOF (Depth of Field) issues. We must be thankful for low noise ISO on some DSLR's and excellent IS technology.



But Eduard, you're shots a great example of how to do it.
Btw, finally uploaded some more AMS shots. Would you believe it's been 1 1/2 years since I was in AMS

Glenn

[Edited 2006-05-02 16:25:15]


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User currently offlineAnder From Spain, joined Jan 2005, 367 posts, RR: 21
Reply 23, posted (8 years 4 months 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 1891 times:

Cracking shot, Eduard!!!!
Ander



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User currently offlineN949WP From Hong Kong, joined Feb 2000, 1437 posts, RR: 1
Reply 24, posted (8 years 4 months 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 1866 times:

Count yourselves lucky that affordable DSLR's are becoming more the norm these days, where any blurry shot from an imperfect pan can just be deleted. Try doing that in the days of film......real hard, on one's pocket-book that is. I'd considered myself lucky if I got more than 3 useable images from a roll of 36.


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25 Chris78cpr : Nice shots Gordon! Lots of respect for your old shots! Chris
26 Post contains links and images Kazzie : mm Panning... Here are a few attempts from me
27 Post contains links and images Manzoori : My one and only panning shot on the database... quite pleased with the way it came out in the end... the biggest pain was trying to decide how to leve
28 Post contains links and images Chris78cpr : Oh and here is my contribution of a panning shot... View Large View MediumPhoto © C.S. Photography I have some real gems sitting on my hard drive
29 Donder10 : Had my first attempts at panning last night at SOU - messed around between 1/60 and 1/40 from around 7 till post sunset - on most of the shots the nos
30 Post contains images Kazzie : Saturday evening I snapped them No Security problem either, Ithey they grab you on the T2 roof all you do is go to the floor below
31 Post contains images INNflight : Aah you mean panning? Didn't know you can do this with aircraft so I won't bless you all with self-plugs. The only panning I'm good at : Cheers, F.
32 Donder10 : Nice subject ,Florian. Thanks for that Kazz,might give that a try next time I'm home!
33 Post contains images Glennstewart : I miss those "granny" bikes. Was that shot in Netherlands or Austria? Great subject - I'd be following that as well Glenn
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