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Screening Annoyance: Usaf Registrations  
User currently offlineGlennstewart From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (7 years 11 months 3 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 2101 times:

Hi All,

Been happy chewing on a bit of the queue today. I've been sick at home, but screened a good batch or two and the stuff coming through is fairly good.

But I am a bit peeved. I nearly rejected a shot for NOA_Info based on incorrect registration. I was a nice guy and corrected it and marked it as HQ.

USAF Registrations

If you shoot USAF, please know how to upload them with correct information.
What you see on the aircraft is more often than not, NOT the full registration (some F-16's and F-15's are the exception to the rule).

Take this example of mine:


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This visible portion is 90014
Real registration is ?9-0014

How do you find the correct registration from this?

1. Know the rough year of manufacture - in this case the 60's and 70's
2. The first number is the second half of the year - so 9 is probably 69
3. Look up the registration you think it is - i.e. 69-0014 on:
http://www.scramble.nl/milbase.htm
4. Sure enough it is correct - the database verifies it as a C-5A  Smile

Please get it right first time and save both the screeners and the database administrators some time.


Glenn

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User currently offlineTWAMD-80 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (7 years 11 months 3 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 2087 times:

Thanks for the link. The Air Force certainly doesn't make it easy with the partial reg's. Now if I can just find some Air Force birds to shoot...

Tim

[Edited 2006-05-02 16:28:18]

User currently offlinePtrjong From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (7 years 11 months 3 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 2070 times:

For old aircraft,

home.att.net/~jbaugher/usafserials.html

is very useful. I even found the correct serials of P-63 Kingcobras preserved in Moscow.


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On this one, the serial has five digits behind the fiscal year, as 92,098 aircraft were funded in FY 1944  eyepopping  Can you imagine that?

This system was established when no aircraft survived ten years in service, so little confusion was possible. But why on earth does the USAF still skip that digit? To confuse the Russians and Al-Qaida, as well as us and themselves?

Peter  Smile


User currently offlineChris78cpr From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (7 years 11 months 3 weeks 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 2021 times:

Cheers for the info Glenn, will use that method if i ever shoot any USAF stuff.

Now if anyone knew how i could get onto a carrier....... LOL

Chris


User currently offlineDlednicer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (7 years 11 months 3 weeks 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 2016 times:
AIRLINERS.NET CREW
DATABASE EDITOR

USAF registrations are a pain. US Army registrations are downright awful. I hope to produce a guide to them in the near future. I just finished cleaning up all the Sikorsky and Westland entries in the database and I'm now working on the Agustas and Bells.

User currently offlineGlennstewart From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (7 years 11 months 3 weeks 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 1963 times:

Quoting Dlednicer (Reply 4):
USAF registrations are a pain.

Hope to ease part of the burden on the database editors by this post. Please add any other hints if they help.

Glenn


User currently offlineIrish251 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (7 years 11 months 3 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 1895 times:

In my view there may be some excuse in relation to very old serials but there is none when it comes to transport types that have been with us for decades and which are well documented. Unless people uploading shots have no internet access, I would suggest that a few minutes' research should provide the correct answer. The following site provides lots of links to a variety of authoritative and comprehensive on-line sources. Effort made by uploaders to get the information correct must also greatly reduce the need to correct the database later.

http://www.aviation-links.co.uk/


User currently offlineJan Mogren From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (7 years 11 months 3 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 1888 times:

Quoting Irish251 (Reply 6):
Unless people uploading shots have no internet access

 scratchchin 

/JM


User currently offlineIrish251 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (7 years 11 months 3 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 1863 times:

 footinmouth 

I think I made my point anyway!


User currently offlineGhostbase From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (7 years 11 months 3 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 1841 times:

Personally I always check with Joe Baugher's website which IMHO is the best internet based reference, though Scramble is very good as well.

Be very careful with:

F-4E Phantoms - there is some duplication of the 'last three' digits shown on tail fins within this type, they can be different fiscal years.

SR-71A Blackbirds - shown on tail fin as '17979' for example, many respected sources quoted these as fiscal 64-xxxxx but in fact they are fiscal 61-xxxxx series. I do know that A.Net has purged the database of these errors.

T-38A Talons - these will often show a five figure number starting with '1' eg 13168 however this does not include the '64' fiscal which it really is, this is not a 61-xxxx which one might expect. There are also '65' fiscals which start at 10316 and appear to be lower than the previous year.

Confused yet? I have been since I started military photo taking in 1985, always pays to have a network of friends who you can ask!

 ghost 


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