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Help! 1st Shots Of New Airline Go! Rejected.  
User currently offlinePhxplanes From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 436 posts, RR: 0
Posted (7 years 11 months 2 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 4465 times:

I went to the airport today and got pictures of the new Airline Go! and they all got rejected. The plane was parked right next to a fence so it was really hard shooting through it. The e-mail did say they were screened by a screener in training.

Should I appeal any of these?
Anyone think they could help fix these?

http://www.airliners.net/addphotos/rejections/big/20060509_phxgot1.jpg
http://www.airliners.net/addphotos/rejections/big/20060509_phxgo9.jpg
http://www.airliners.net/addphotos/rejections/big/20060509_phxgo1.jpg
http://www.airliners.net/addphotos/rejections/big/20060509_phxgo5.jpg
http://www.airliners.net/addphotos/rejections/big/20060509_phxgo7.jpg
http://www.airliners.net/addphotos/rejections/big/20060509_phxgo3.jpg
http://www.airliners.net/addphotos/rejections/big/20060509_phxgo8.jpg

Thanks in advance.

[Edited 2006-05-09 06:55:12]

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User currently offlineIL76 From Netherlands, joined Jan 2004, 2237 posts, RR: 50
Reply 1, posted (7 years 11 months 2 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 4444 times:

Brian, ever heard of NOA_double? Why upload so many shots that look almost the same?
I have to say that the quality is simply not there and of most of them the angle is off. None of them show the whole airplane either.
Since it's new, it'll be around a while longer so perhaps you can get some better shots in the future.
cheers,
E


User currently offlineAviatorTJ From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 1838 posts, RR: 7
Reply 2, posted (7 years 11 months 2 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 4444 times:

Edit: Eduard beat me to the punch, but here it goes.

First, I would start by reading the upload faq:
http://www.airliners.net/faq/#5

Second, take a second to read the instructions on the upload page. I know the feeling when you have the hot shots that you want to get up in an instant, but getting around the rules doesn't get photos up any faster*.
http://www.airliners.net/addphotos/

As for your pictures, take a look through the database to compare your shots. It's a lot easier to get shots up that have a motive similar to other pictures in the database. Rather than focusing on each photo, here are a few tips, try to get a shot with the whole plane in it. It is much easier to crop down than it is to back out after the fact. Take a look in the forums for workflows and guides to sharpening your photos. I can see some noise introduced by the sharpen tool around text in each of the photos. There are plenty of resources here to help you work a photo once you've shot it.

These shots probably wont make it into the database. There still aren't any pictures of these planes in the database yet, so if you have the opportunity to get out and try again or get them in flight, you'll be set. Take a look above and think about it next time you are out with your camera. I'd be happy to help you out any further if you wish. You are already over the hump getting your first shot into the database. Just keep shooting and you'll be set.

-TJ O'Keefe

*Despite what you might read in other threads.

[Edited 2006-05-09 07:41:59]

User currently offlineDendrobatid From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2004, 1648 posts, RR: 62
Reply 3, posted (7 years 11 months 2 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 4429 times:
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Quoting IL76 (Reply 1):
Since it's new, it'll be around a while longer so perhaps you can get some better shots in the future.
cheers,

I have to agree with Eduard (IL76) here. It seems that you have (I hope it is not had) ramp access, so go back if you can and try again. Submit just one of the whole aircraft with good quality and you will probably get yourself a priority upload, maybe a banner and a lot of hits....if no-one beats you to it !

Quoting AviatorTJ (Reply 2):
As for your pictures, take a look through the database to compare your shots.

It is a common fallacy that different is the same as good. That advice from AviatorTJ is very sound. Before you try to bend or break the rules you really need to know them well.

Sorry to say this, but I think you have missed a really rare opportunity.

Mick Bajcar


User currently offlineGlennstewart From Australia, joined Jun 2003, 1124 posts, RR: 55
Reply 4, posted (7 years 11 months 2 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 4392 times:

Quoting Phxplanes (Thread starter):
http://www.airliners.net/addphotos/rejections/big/20060509_phxgot1.jpg
http://www.airliners.net/addphotos/rejections/big/20060509_phxgo9.jpg
http://www.airliners.net/addphotos/rejections/big/20060509_phxgo1.jpg
http://www.airliners.net/addphotos/rejections/big/20060509_phxgo5.jpg
http://www.airliners.net/addphotos/rejections/big/20060509_phxgo7.jpg
http://www.airliners.net/addphotos/rejections/big/20060509_phxgo3.jpg
http://www.airliners.net/addphotos/r...8.jpg

Hmmm... a bit excessive.

First of all, this screams NOA_double without even viewing a single shot.
After viewing all shots, NOA_motiv would probably be a case even prior to any quality review.

Sorry... but although it's great to get some ramp shots, the close proximity to the aircraft and inability to really see an appropriate portion of the aircraft, really lend towards poor motivation.

Thankfully it's at the start of service. This means we're likely to see more shots from you of this aircraft (if it was the only shot and it was ending service, we would probably consider a shot).

We look forward to your future submission and anyone else who can upload a shot of the aircraft (showing a bit more than the ramp shots above).

Regards,

Glenn



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User currently offlineJumboJim747 From Australia, joined Oct 2004, 2464 posts, RR: 45
Reply 5, posted (7 years 11 months 2 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 4382 times:
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Guys he did say in the original post that he shot through the fence.
He didn't have ramp access .
But its a shame not even a single shot can be used some how.
Cheers



On a wing and a prayer
User currently offlineLinco22 From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2005, 1380 posts, RR: 16
Reply 6, posted (7 years 11 months 2 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 4372 times:

Quoting JumboJim747 (Reply 5):
But its a shame not even a single shot can be used some how.

True. It seems like a really nice scheme!

Regards
Colin  Smile


User currently offlineGlennstewart From Australia, joined Jun 2003, 1124 posts, RR: 55
Reply 7, posted (7 years 11 months 2 weeks 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 4318 times:

Quoting Linco22 (Reply 6):
True. It seems like a really nice scheme!

And given it is new... we'll all be sure to see it when another shot of it is accepted one day (or better still.... we actually see it in the flesh).

Glenn



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User currently offlinePhxplanes From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 436 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (7 years 11 months 2 weeks 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 4314 times:

I dont have ramp access. The plane was right up agaisnt the fence that is why I couldnt get a full shot. Unless a shot with a fence could get accepted I guess I will have to wait until they move it.

Thanks everyone for your input


User currently offlineWakeTurbulence From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 1293 posts, RR: 17
Reply 9, posted (7 years 11 months 2 weeks 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 4288 times:

If you have access to a super wide angle lens you can get good shots with an aircraft at a fence line. This was taken at 10mm on top of the fence between barbed wire. Just an idea.

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User currently offlineNIKV69 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (7 years 11 months 2 weeks 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 4264 times:

Sorry to hear you couldn't get a clean shot. That is a nice catch, don't give up though!  biggrin 

Quoting WakeTurbulence (Reply 9):
If you have access to a super wide angle lens you can get good shots with an aircraft at a fence line. This was taken at 10mm on top of the fence between barbed wire. Just an idea.

A very good idea!


User currently offlineChrisH From Sweden, joined Jul 2004, 1136 posts, RR: 16
Reply 11, posted (7 years 11 months 2 weeks 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 4211 times:

Quoting Glennstewart (Reply 7):
And given it is new... we'll all be sure to see it when another shot of it is accepted one day (or better still.... we actually see it in the flesh).

funny comment, considering the rockbottom quality shot of Virgin America that hit the DB quicker than quick.



what seems to be the officer, problem?
User currently offlinePhxplanes From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 436 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (7 years 11 months 2 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 4114 times:

I understand the quality thats obvious. But for example this picture even though it shows all the title is it still motive because it is not the whole plane or not just the nose.


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[Edited 2006-05-10 00:39:42]

User currently offlineNIKV69 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (7 years 11 months 2 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 4112 times:

Quoting Phxplanes (Reply 12):
But for example this picture

The pic doesn't look level and motiv may still be a problem.


User currently offlineAviatorTJ From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 1838 posts, RR: 7
Reply 14, posted (7 years 11 months 2 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 4099 times:

The open door doesn't help matters.

User currently offlineJe89_w From United States of America, joined Mar 2002, 2357 posts, RR: 10
Reply 15, posted (7 years 11 months 2 weeks 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 4055 times:
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Wow, thanks for sharing the photos, hope you can get better shots next time!

On the side note, I wonder when this bird will be delivered to HNL. Does anyone know?

Thanks!


User currently offlinePhxplanes From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 436 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (7 years 11 months 2 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 3940 times:

I was able to go to the airport and get a better angle and get a shot accepted. Thanks everyone for your help.


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User currently offlineNIKV69 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (7 years 11 months 2 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 3939 times:

Great job, way to keep trying. Nice to see a new airline and a colorful C/S.

User currently offlineAviatorTJ From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 1838 posts, RR: 7
Reply 18, posted (7 years 11 months 2 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 3932 times:

Great work. This photo has a much nicer feel. Way to go!

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