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User currently offlineTZ From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2003, 1085 posts, RR: 53
Posted (8 years 1 month 4 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 6489 times:
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The major airshow in Berlin, the ILA 2006 ( http://www.ila2006.com ) qualifies for Priority Screening. This show qualifies along with Paris and Farnborough.

If you are submitting images from the show, be sure to tick the Priority box. If you want your images to be linked to the banner on the front page, ensure you use the text "ILA 2006" (without the quotes) in the remark field.

Many thanks, or Vielen Dank!

TZ

[Edited 2006-05-16 13:45:07]


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User currently offlineTimdeGroot From Netherlands, joined Apr 2002, 3674 posts, RR: 65
Reply 1, posted (8 years 1 month 4 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 6475 times:
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Don't forget the Dubai show in that list.

Tim



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User currently offlineAndyHunt From Singapore, joined Jan 2001, 1306 posts, RR: 52
Reply 2, posted (8 years 1 month 4 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 6432 times:
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PHOTO SCREENER

and Asian Aerospace??? Big grin

Andrew



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User currently offlineGlapira From Spain, joined Feb 2005, 186 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (8 years 1 month 4 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 6417 times:

And Aire06? It's probably the spanish bigges air festival ever! www.aire06.es The most important aerobatic teams will be flying there in June!


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User currently offlineTimdeGroot From Netherlands, joined Apr 2002, 3674 posts, RR: 65
Reply 4, posted (8 years 1 month 4 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 6402 times:
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Not sure about Asian Aerospace that will have to be discussed.

No priority screening for Aire06.

Tim



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User currently offlineTZ From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2003, 1085 posts, RR: 53
Reply 5, posted (8 years 1 month 4 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 6361 times:
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My mistake. Tim is correct - Paris, Farnborough, Dubai and ILA are long-established as our major "priority" events.

These are the major civil shows, and while there are other events which attract greater crowds (eg Albuquerque Balloon Fiesta) or greater participation (eg Fairford), we have decided to keep the list to these few major events. If we open up to other criteria, then we'll wind up with a "priority" event every weekend, and no regular shots will ever get screened!

TZ



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User currently offlineCosec59 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (8 years 1 month 4 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 6350 times:

Will the first visit of the A380 to the UK on Thursday class as a priority for screening purposes?

User currently offlineTimdeGroot From Netherlands, joined Apr 2002, 3674 posts, RR: 65
Reply 7, posted (8 years 1 month 4 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 6344 times:
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Quoting TZ (Reply 5):
Will the first visit of the A380 to the UK on Thursday class as a priority for screening purposes?


No

Tim



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User currently offlineCosec59 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (8 years 1 month 4 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 6340 times:

Quoting TimdeGroot (Reply 7):
the first visit of the A380 to the UK on Thursday class as a priority for screening purposes?


No

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User currently offlineINNflight From Austria, joined Apr 2004, 3765 posts, RR: 60
Reply 9, posted (8 years 1 month 4 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 6332 times:

Quoting Cosec59 (Reply 6):
Will the first visit of the A380 to the UK on Thursday class as a priority for screening purposes?

Why should it?

We've had that FAT aircraft on TLS, LBG, FRA, SIN, SYD, DXB.... that list probably goes on.

No need for priority, LHR will just be another airport to the list.

[Edited 2006-05-16 20:06:11]


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User currently offlineTZ From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2003, 1085 posts, RR: 53
Reply 10, posted (8 years 1 month 4 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 6320 times:
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Quoting TimdeGroot (Reply 7):
Quoting TZ (Reply 5):
Will the first visit of the A380 to the UK on Thursday class as a priority for screening purposes?


No

Tim

For the record, I did NOT ask that question. I know fully well that is does not qualify, unless it arrives at LHR in full Virgin Atlantic livery.

TZ



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User currently offlineKarlok From Netherlands, joined Mar 2002, 839 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (8 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 6178 times:

Okay, no priority screening for LHR. But still they get priority screening.


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User currently offlineSulman From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 2035 posts, RR: 33
Reply 12, posted (8 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 6156 times:

Quoting Karlok (Reply 11):
Okay, no priority screening for LHR. But still they get priority screening.

Actually, I don't see a problem with this. The event was unquestionably newsworthy; there was ample coverage in the UK so there was plenty of interest. Where are people going to go for the best pictures? A.net.

If nowhere regional airlines from butthole, Ohio can get priority and a banner, then I think the visit of the world's largest commercial aircraft to the country that is one of it's key design and manufacturing contributors is definitely worthy of the same treatment.

I wasn't there, and I wanted to see some nice shots, there were even a few people at work that were interested. I'm pleased I can see them.


James



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User currently offlineGBOAB From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2004, 366 posts, RR: 5
Reply 13, posted (8 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 6146 times:

On the forum yesterday we were told that the A380 at Heathrow was not priority, so like myself and probably many others we have submitted our photos in the normal way and will have to wait about 10 days for the results
I don't understand how this one slipped through the net
I have emailed the screeners but have had no reply yet

Ian



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User currently offlinePsych From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2004, 3048 posts, RR: 58
Reply 14, posted (8 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 6140 times:
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Quoting TZ (Reply 10):
I know fully well that is does not qualify



Quoting Karlok (Reply 11):
Okay, no priority screening for LHR. But still they get priority screening.

Oh dear  banghead . I guess this will become ammunition to some.

I agree with James that the site may have unwittingly missed a trick here. Although I can understand the argument for not prioritising the first visit of the A380 to the UK according to the site rules (which then needed to be consistently enforced), the bottom line was that this was the number one news item nationally here yesterday, on TV and radio. The premier aviation photography website then not featuring this looks odd to the outside world not familiar with the in's and out's of A.net's complex rule structure. I also agree with James' point that many people will come first to A.net looking for timely photos of this event, and for them not to be featured is not in the interests of the site, never mind the individual photographers.

I know for a fact that a friend and fellow contributor captured a fantastic shot of the aircraft up here in the North West yesterday and had that been treated as a priority here it would have amassed a shed-load of hits - both for him and the site. It is stunning. Hopefully it will still do so if that particular shot is finally accepted. But now that 'action' is happening elsewhere on the net.

Paul


User currently offlineFL350 From Belgium, joined Feb 2003, 517 posts, RR: 2
Reply 15, posted (8 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 6113 times:

Quoting Psych (Reply 14):
But now that 'action' is happening elsewhere on the net.

I agree with Paul here, a.net with all it's paradoxal rules is loosing the point and it's not the first time that interesting events and pics are seen 'elsewhere' on the net before here...
Why let slip one pic and not show the others aswell, frustration will sure be on some photog's mind present at the event.
It's simple accepted or not, but here again we see the yes and no and a.net slowly looses its number one place on the net.

Fabrice



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User currently offlineAirplanepics From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2003, 2729 posts, RR: 41
Reply 16, posted (8 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 6097 times:

Quoting INNflight (Reply 9):
Why should it?

We've had that FAT aircraft on TLS, LBG, FRA, SIN, SYD, DXB.... that list probably goes on.

Yes, but they all got priority screening, so why couldn't LHR?



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User currently offlineHARLEYF150 From United Kingdom, joined May 2005, 70 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (8 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 6076 times:

Just to set the record straight i uploaded my picture last night not knowing that Heathrow was not a priority event which surprised me to say the least,when i looked in the queue there were 24 photos in screening from yesterday which made me assume that it was only a matter of time before there were 20 or so pictures of it from Heathrow.The screener e mailed me last night and said he was unaware of the fact that Heathrow was not a priority event.

Regards Mike Moores


User currently offlineEdoca From Belgium, joined Mar 2005, 688 posts, RR: 9
Reply 18, posted (8 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 6075 times:

I know many people will probably disagree with this, and I certainly don't want to start another "queue is too long" argument, but here is my opinion.

Even if some (or even most) people don't mind waiting 14 days to have their pictures screened, the site itself has an interest in fast(er) screening. Exactly for situations like this. I think the site management should see that a system of priority screening with penalties for misuse (in the form of even rejecting a pic and/or adding another 14 days of waiting), and policies deciding which air shows are OK for priority and which ones aren't, is an (IMHO) overreaction to a problem that lies not with the photographers, but with the site's screening process. Surely if wait times were only a few hours or days (the "you'll hear from us within a week" on the upload confirmation page comes to mind), the need for priority screening would become almost non existent.

If there is one argument why short queues are somewhat important, it is to ensure that a.net doesn't miss out on newsworthy events and shows new quality shots as soon as possible. If this cannot be achieved naturally, then rules like we currently know them need to be devised, and such rules are never water-tight, as shown above, which in turn leads to frustration.

just my view...


PS. I don't want to hijack this thread, but I'm sure many people noticed that the queue length stays level at 13-14K already for a few weeks now. Just a few months ago it was at 7K and fairly constant as well for a while. The increase came suddenly and remained pretty much constant, so the usual "good weather/good season" arguments don't "fly". At a competing site, the queue is pretty constant as well, but at 400. They added 700 pics yesterday, a.net 800. Not so much difference... Just some facts to think about perhaps.


User currently offlineJid From Barbados, joined Dec 2004, 972 posts, RR: 32
Reply 19, posted (8 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 6051 times:

Quoting HARLEYF150 (Reply 17):
The screener e mailed me last night and said he was unaware of the fact that Heathrow was not a priority event.

Since Mike's shot then another two shots fropm LHR have been added so perhaps there was more than one screener that does not know?



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User currently offlineTZ From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2003, 1085 posts, RR: 53
Reply 20, posted (8 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 6047 times:
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Human error led to the first LHR A380 image to be added.

Now the policy of no-priority is flawed, so all LHR A380 shots now have priority.

Sorry for confusing everybody. That is a tad embarassing.

TZ



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User currently offlineScbriml From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2003, 12281 posts, RR: 47
Reply 21, posted (8 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 6010 times:
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Quoting TZ (Reply 20):
Now the policy of no-priority is flawed, so all LHR A380 shots now have priority.

So, do we have to tell you, or will you find them all?

[edit] Never mind, I can see that mine is currently in screening.

[Edited 2006-05-19 14:42:46]


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User currently offlineStealthZ From Australia, joined Feb 2005, 5669 posts, RR: 45
Reply 22, posted (8 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 5988 times:
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Interesting debate about what constitutes priority or not.
My belief is that the most newsworthy aviation event in the UK this year(at least until Farnborough) should have been given some priority before this whole situation flared up. The reasons have been fairly clearly highlighted in previous posts.
Should ILA2006 get priority, certainly within reasonable limits. Firstly I have spent some time just now looking at the recent posts from Berlin and am impressed both with the variety of aircraft and some of the photography. Having said that do we need dozens of photos of an aircraft, some almost identical, that by any other measure is very common with something like 149 photos in the DB? An aircraft that is going to be around for a very long time.
A photo of any other aircraft with anything like that number of entries would be subject to the most extreme quality standards. Is it too much to ask that the same be applied here?

Finally, Whilst I agree there should be a level of priority given to shows such as Farnborough, Paris, ILA, I have to wonder what the response might be when the same request is made of the most important Aerospace Exposition in the Southern Hemisphere next March?

Regards

Chris



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User currently offlineTS From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (8 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 5974 times:

Hello crew,

I have uploaded 3 ILA pics Wednesday night & they're still marked as "not screened yet" although were in screening before. Could it be they got lost?

Thomas

[Edited 2006-05-19 16:41:18]

User currently offlineRotate From Switzerland, joined Feb 2003, 1490 posts, RR: 16
Reply 24, posted (8 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 5942 times:

OMG! When reading all this comments on here , it seems there is nothing more interesting/important than getting the pics as fast as possibel on A.net! Is it the ILA, the A380 at LHR some totally uninteresting OE-LPA at VIE or whatever - I really cant tell you how happy I am that am not like this anymore. I ve got allready such a big backlog now ... and you know what? I am enjoying it with looking at the pics at home! I am finally there where I wanted to be some 1 1/2 months ago, when I decided to stop uploading .... All this view hunting makes me really think what people are in this hobby .....

cheerio

Robin



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25 Jid : It might be uninteresting to you Robin but it was headline news in the UK on all the major news channels. No airshow in the world will do that. That w
26 TS : Well put, Jid. Here in Germany private news channels provide several hours of live news coverage of the ILA, & I can still remember CNN's coverage of
27 Post contains links and images Scbriml : Thanks screeners! View Large View MediumPhoto © Steve Brimley Will the crew be discussing/clarifying what qualifies for priority screening in the
28 Post contains images Granite : Steve Yes the screeners will be discussing so there are no problems in the future. I screened your A380 image. The best I have seen from LHR so far (m
29 Airplanepics : As Jid said, it was headline news. Plus, if FRA and SYD had priority screening, why shouldn't LHR?
30 Post contains images Scbriml : The £5 is in the post!
31 Jorge1812 : One question. How long does these ILA pics qualify for priority screening? Read somewhere till the end which would be tonight. Or can I submit them wi
32 TimdeGroot : ILA is priority until midnight (berlin time) today. Everything submitted after that will have to be screened normally. Tim
33 Jorge1812 : Thanks for the info....a few hundred pics to go for me within the next 9,5 hours. Georg
34 PUnmuth@VIE : Bit harsh against those attending ILA today.
35 AKE0404AR : Buy a laptop, equipped with PS, w-lan and the deadline is no real dealine for you.....easy as 1-2-3 and who said that we wanted to see all 1000 pictu
36 TS : Are you serious?
37 StealthZ : Damn I hope not! I am still curious as to why these events, covered by a large number of photographers get blanket priority. Certainly I understand t
38 Sulman : Really Chris? It's interest. People will want to see shots from those shows, and it's in the interest of the site that they see them here rather than
39 Dendrobatid : Perhaps a solution would be to include all Air SHOWS (ie trade shows) for potential priority and no Air DISPLAYS. There is potential for any air SHOW
40 StealthZ : James, Maybe I should have worded it differently regarding which shows are given priority. Perhaps it is important and of interest to many that all th
41 Post contains links and images Kereru : Not forgetting the Warbirds show down under too? http://www.airliners.net/search/photo.search?album=6861 Sorry not many airliners and we waited patien
42 Linco22 : Can I get priority screening for my rejections? Regards Colin
43 Post contains images Jorge1812 : Not really Have to go through hundreds of pics and decide which to work on and probably upload. But now I'm almost finished only a few to go the norm
44 Granite : Hi all Yes, totally agree. I've still got many stuff to add but not got the time. Regards Gary
45 TZ : A good suggestion, but there are simply too many air shows to consider all of them as priority. We have to find a balance between being topical with
46 StealthZ : Exactly my point.. 400+ priority photos from ILA and how many of them were actually newsworthy? In this day of instant global communications and the
47 ChrisH : So you want priority as long as Australia gets it too? But if you don't, then no priority should be granted to anyone? Personally I don't care tbh...
48 StealthZ : Chris, That wasn't really how I meant it, replace Avalon with Anchorage, Shanghai, Caracas (I know these places currently don't have major aerospace s
49 TransIsland : While we're at it... as soon as this discussion about whether or not ILA deserves priority started, my last ILA shots went into screening... they've b
50 Jorge1812 : Have still a few (3) in screening added before the deadline, all others were accepted/rejeceted within a short time. Don't know why it's like that bu
51 Post contains images TZ : I can definitively say that every shot which met the following criteria was screened before Priority deadline ended: 1. A shot from ILA 2006, 2. The
52 Post contains images TransIsland : My last 5 ILA shots were uploaded as described, and they did go into screening before the above mentioned deadline. 55 hours just seems like an awful
53 JumboJim747 : How about a suggestion to make all airshows priority for the first day only. After the first day then all shots have to wait in the Q. Seems fair to m
54 Post contains links and images Jorge1812 : Are some pics still priority screened? This one View Large View MediumPhoto © Niklas Åhman was uploaded 2006-05-22 21:49:43 (after priority scre
55 TransIsland : Hmmm... I had 5 uploaded on 2006-05-21 11:30 (roughly, give or take 10 minutes), that is before priority screening ended. They went into screening fa
56 TZ : Where are you obtaining this "uploaded" date & time from? If you're referring to the field found inside the "Cross Data Search" window, then that ref
57 Jorge1812 : Yes, I'm referring to this date form the Cross Data search. Thanks for the explanation I thought it was the date uploaded into the queue. Might be th
58 TransIsland : Today I'm a little annoyed with how the screening process went. My priority uploads from May 21 were finally screened last night, clear evidence that
59 Ptrjong : Was it an airliner at all? If so - maybe you should have checked another category too? I did get a Fokker F-27 photo rejected because I checked CLASS
60 Jorge1812 : I'm not sdure, but isn't the classic category for jets only? Georg
61 Ptrjong : I don't think so Georg, 4817 out of 5337 DC-3 shots in the database were accepted as CLASSIC.
62 Jorge1812 : You're right. I checked it out and it said an a/c older or as old as the 707/Dc-8. Which plane was it? Georg
63 TZ : It is for AIRLINERS only. TZ
64 TransIsland : I don't know how to access the category descriptions without pretending to upload a photo, but I'm reasonably certain it says AIRCRAFT not AIRLINERS
65 Dendrobatid : I am very certain that you are wrong...it is classic AIRLINERS.....and I have uploaded a heck of a lot of them. There are however discrepancies and,
66 TZ : It is "airliners", not "aircraft". An old Waco, Tiger Moth or Hurricane does not qualify as "Classic" whereas a Brabazon, Constellation or Comet (airl
67 Post contains images Ptrjong : Although the category is called 'Classic Airliner', the help text reads: 'An aircraft older or as old as the 707 and the DC-8...' This is not as clea
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