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User currently offlineKarlok From Netherlands, joined Mar 2002, 839 posts, RR: 1
Posted (7 years 11 months 1 week 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 1798 times:

This is the photo I am talking about.

http://www.airliners.net/addphotos/r...H-BFD_Boeing_747-406M_KLM_Asia.jpg

And here are some items it may could cause this rejection.

* Photos that include window reflections (for shots taken through glass such as terminal windows).

-- Ok, some flash reflections on the display. Need for rejection?

* Photos showing just a part of an aircraft (with no motivation for doing so, like a special sticker, damage etc.).

-- Yes, it's part of an aircraft. The Cockpit :-/

* Photos with distracting or obstructing objects in the foreground (this is especially true for gate shots which are very difficult to get accepted due to their common nature and the large amount of equipment which usually surrounds the aircraft).

-- obstructing object in the foreground? The Yokes on the foreground maybe????

* Photos that do not show an aircraft or anything sufficiently related to aviation at all.

-- Yes, it is an aircraft

* Photos showing the date in the lower left or right corner of the image (some cameras do this, please diable this feature)

-- No date visible.

Can someone tell me why this belongs to a motiv rejection? Or was it just a wrong selection of rejection reason.

Thanks,

Kar-lok

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User currently offlineTimdeGroot From Netherlands, joined Apr 2002, 3674 posts, RR: 65
Reply 1, posted (7 years 11 months 1 week 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 1788 times:
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Reflections from the flash.

Tim



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User currently offlineWakeTurbulence From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 1293 posts, RR: 17
Reply 2, posted (7 years 11 months 1 week 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 1788 times:

My eyes are drawn to the flash reflection on the display screens. I would say this is probably why it was rejected for motive.
-Matt
Tim beat me to it by 25 seconds.

[Edited 2006-05-16 21:33:19]


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User currently offlineKarlok From Netherlands, joined Mar 2002, 839 posts, RR: 1
Reply 3, posted (7 years 11 months 1 week 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 1781 times:

Quoting TimdeGroot (Reply 1):
Reflections from the flash.

Thank you!

Kar-lok


User currently offlineTimdeGroot From Netherlands, joined Apr 2002, 3674 posts, RR: 65
Reply 4, posted (7 years 11 months 1 week 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 1775 times:
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Karlok, it looks like this was a nightshot, or inside a hangar or something. Shot like that usually don't benefit from a flash and come out better if shot without it.

Tim



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User currently offlineAero145 From Iceland, joined Jan 2005, 3071 posts, RR: 21
Reply 5, posted (7 years 11 months 1 week 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 1767 times:

If you're using a add-on flash, I would put something to bounce this. For example on pretty-cheap Sigma flashes, there's a thingy which goes out and bounces. If you have that, I would use it.

I have this same problem, it sometimes works to have the camera enough facing down... Smile

-David


User currently offlineGlennStewart From Australia, joined Jun 2003, 1124 posts, RR: 55
Reply 6, posted (7 years 11 months 1 week 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 1706 times:

You can also try flash compensation. Drop it by -2/3 EV. If the screens aren't on and there is little light in the cockpit, hand held shots without flash are fairly difficult.

One of the best ideas is to estimate the conditions before you go into the cockpit (if you have limited time), and to take several shots with varied settings. This way you can make the call on all of your shots as to which one would come out better after post processing.

Glenn



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User currently offlineQANTAS077 From Australia, joined Jan 2004, 5825 posts, RR: 41
Reply 7, posted (7 years 11 months 1 week 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 1685 times:

here is a tip, just use the bandaid tool in PS and the flash reflections will be non-existent.  Wink if you can do it for dust then i can't see why you can't do it for flash reflection?


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User currently offlineKarlok From Netherlands, joined Mar 2002, 839 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (7 years 11 months 1 week 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 1669 times:

Quoting QANTAS077 (Reply 7):
here is a tip, just use the bandaid tool in PS and the flash reflections will be non-existent. Wink if you can do it for dust then i can't see why you can't do it for flash reflection?

That is one for a manipulation rejection I think?


User currently offlineTimdeGroot From Netherlands, joined Apr 2002, 3674 posts, RR: 65
Reply 9, posted (7 years 11 months 1 week 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 1663 times:
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Quoting Karlok (Reply 8):
That is one for a manipulation rejection I think?

Indeed.

Tim



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User currently offlineQANTAS077 From Australia, joined Jan 2004, 5825 posts, RR: 41
Reply 10, posted (7 years 11 months 1 week 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 1641 times:

Quoting Karlok (Reply 8):
That is one for a manipulation rejection I think?

obviously it is because they know about the pic, if you did it in the first place you might have been successful?

if it can be done with minimul disturbance to the original image then is it acceptable? those flash reflections are on a par with the dust spots that we clone, i don't see the harm?



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User currently offlineFlyfisher1976 From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 804 posts, RR: 2
Reply 11, posted (7 years 11 months 1 week 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 1631 times:
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Quoting Karlok (Reply 8):
That is one for a manipulation rejection I think?



Quoting TimdeGroot (Reply 9):
Indeed.

Tim

Sorry to get off topic...but this is a blatant double-standard. We are encouraged to clone out dust, but anything else is labelled as "manipulation"?  Yeah sure


User currently offlineQANTAS077 From Australia, joined Jan 2004, 5825 posts, RR: 41
Reply 12, posted (7 years 11 months 1 week 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 1624 times:

question is, if it were a dust spot in the same location of the flash reflections it would be ok to clone them? i seriously don't know what the issue is with a few minor flash reflection clones from the LCD, it doesn't lessen the quality of the image in any way, just makes it a poofteenth more acceptable?


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User currently offlineJeffM From United States of America, joined May 2005, 3266 posts, RR: 52
Reply 13, posted (7 years 11 months 1 week 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 1618 times:

Quoting GlennStewart (Reply 6):
One of the best ideas is to estimate the conditions before you go into the cockpit

Even better if you measure the light separately.

Quoting QANTAS077 (Reply 12):
poofteenth

....not showing up in the dictionary....  Smile


User currently offlineGlennstewart From Australia, joined Jun 2003, 1124 posts, RR: 55
Reply 14, posted (7 years 11 months 1 week 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 1609 times:

Quoting JeffM (Reply 13):
....not showing up in the dictionary....

That's one of those strange west coast (Perth) words. It's also used the describe the amount of heat haze Perth experiences in winter.

Glenn
(obviously from the east coast)



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User currently offlineQANTAS077 From Australia, joined Jan 2004, 5825 posts, RR: 41
Reply 15, posted (7 years 11 months 1 week 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 1600 times:

Quoting Glennstewart (Reply 14):
That's one of those strange west coast (Perth) words.

it's actually a footy term to describe something so minute that it ridiculous, bit like the word itself, but it describes the situation perfectly.  Wink



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User currently offlineGlennstewart From Australia, joined Jun 2003, 1124 posts, RR: 55
Reply 16, posted (7 years 11 months 1 week 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 1582 times:

Quoting QANTAS077 (Reply 15):
something so minute that it ridiculous

I can think of a couple of things that would earn the description then  Smile

Glenn



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User currently offlineKarlok From Netherlands, joined Mar 2002, 839 posts, RR: 1
Reply 17, posted (7 years 11 months 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 1546 times:

Received an another motive rejection today, could someone explain this to me? I see a lots of engines close-up in the database. This one shows a brand new and clean engine.

Please explain the differents to other engine photos in database?

http://www.airliners.net/addphotos/r...0_PH-AOD_Airbus_A330-203_KLM-2.jpg

Quoting TimdeGroot (Reply 4):
Karlok, it looks like this was a nightshot, or inside a hangar or something. Shot like that usually don't benefit from a flash and come out better if shot without it.

Yes, a hangar shot. Will try again later to produce a better shot

Regards,

Kar-lok


User currently offlineSinkrate From Australia, joined Jan 2005, 336 posts, RR: 1
Reply 18, posted (7 years 11 months 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 1543 times:

Hey

Quoting Karlok (Reply 17):
Please explain the differents to other engine photos in database?

I Dont know? frown 

I would say that its overexposed on the engine cowling, leading edge of the wing and the winglet.

I personally really like that motive.

Michael

[Edited 2006-05-21 13:03:27]


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User currently offlineQANTAS077 From Australia, joined Jan 2004, 5825 posts, RR: 41
Reply 19, posted (7 years 11 months 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 1541 times:

overexposed i'd say more then anything...


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