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User currently offlineJRadier From Netherlands, joined Sep 2004, 4670 posts, RR: 50
Posted (8 years 1 month 3 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 2964 times:

Hey folks,

today I got a request for a picture of mine:


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It's for a cover, with a circulation of 5000, plus the same for a web-distribution to the same people (so 5000 it is). As I have no real experience with this, and I have to clue what to ask, I hoped you guys could help me.

Jurgen


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User currently offline9VSPO From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (8 years 1 month 3 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 2958 times:

So they didn't state a price when they requested the pic? I would guess 400 euros would be a good price for one pic for a 5000 print run.

User currently offlinePtrjong From Netherlands, joined Mar 2005, 3904 posts, RR: 19
Reply 2, posted (8 years 1 month 3 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 2954 times:

Quoting 9VSPO (Reply 1):
400 euros would be a good price for one pic for a 5000 print run.

Certainly would. Unless the organization is loaded, I think 100 to 200 euros is rather more realistic.

Great capture, Jurgen. Well deserved.

Peter



The only difference between me and a madman is that I am not mad (Salvador Dali)
User currently offlineEadster From Australia, joined Jan 2005, 2216 posts, RR: 14
Reply 3, posted (8 years 1 month 3 weeks 2 days ago) and read 2937 times:

But on the other hand, are you a pro or a keen hobbyist?

If you are the latter, then wouldn't the exposure be more valueable than the cash? If asking for money is going to cause the person to request a pic from elsewhere, then maybe what I mentioned is worth considering?

Just a thought.


User currently offlineJRadier From Netherlands, joined Sep 2004, 4670 posts, RR: 50
Reply 4, posted (8 years 1 month 3 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 2918 times:

Thanks all, I think I will let the magazine propose a price, and then see if I agree. I was thinking around the lower limit of Peter's idea's (couldn't sleep either yesterday night?).

Martin, I am a (very) keen hobyist, so money isn't that important, but allways nice. Asking for money is not a problem I suppose, they aked what my fee was.

Jurgen



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User currently offlineINNflight From Austria, joined Apr 2004, 3765 posts, RR: 60
Reply 5, posted (8 years 1 month 3 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 2897 times:

Quoting Eadster (Reply 3):
wouldn't the exposure be more valueable than the cash?

maybe... and as said many times before, you ruin the market by doing that, so it shouldn't be worth considering.

I totally understand exposure is a great thing, and I like having my photos exposed to the public too, but you still should be paid for a magazine cover, as any other photographer is. Doesn't really matter whether you're pro or amateur. You still deliver what they want.

Cheers,
F.



Jet Visuals
User currently offlineJRadier From Netherlands, joined Sep 2004, 4670 posts, RR: 50
Reply 6, posted (8 years 1 month 3 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 2853 times:

Thanks a lot for all the help guys, the deal is complete. I'm not going to mention prices, but let's say Peter came closer.

Florian, I agree, if the user is making a profit (or a living for that matter) of it, it is only fair to ask a fee. I have some request for Health Care Education 'magazines' (obviously for other pictures) wich are basically getting the ends together with photo's and text from 'subscribers'. In such a case I only ask for a copy.

Jurgen



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User currently offlineDiezel From Netherlands, joined Oct 2002, 646 posts, RR: 11
Reply 7, posted (8 years 1 month 3 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 2824 times:

Quoting JRadier (Reply 6):
I'm not going to mention prices

Jurgen, why not?

Nothing personal and I respect your decision but this subject is one of the most discussed on this site. I bet you will be helping lots of photogs by saying what you got for the pic. And since you asked for help in this thread, you might consider sharing what you found out.  scratchchin 

Roel.



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User currently offlineJRadier From Netherlands, joined Sep 2004, 4670 posts, RR: 50
Reply 8, posted (8 years 1 month 3 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 2808 times:

Quoting Diezel (Reply 7):
Jurgen, why not?

Mainly because I feel that my client (damn that sounds good) has a right of privacy. As this is an open board other companies can take advantage of this financial information. Would you like other companies to have acces to your financials?

Thus I am not unwilling to share the information, but the exact amount is not something you put out into the open. If someone would like to hear it, please, send me a PM.

I will say that it is on the high side of peter's estimation. I hope this explains it why I do not give the exact ammount, but an estimation

I would be willing to share my information in some kind of database, wich has the main criteria (size, run, etc etc) but not giving any other information about the buyer (and let's face it, once you (as in: forum readers) see this picture on the cover you know where it came from.



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User currently offlineDiezel From Netherlands, joined Oct 2002, 646 posts, RR: 11
Reply 9, posted (8 years 1 month 3 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 2799 times:

Quoting JRadier (Reply 8):
Mainly because I feel that my client (damn that sounds good) has a right of privacy

Fair enough Jurgen. (The idea of an anonymous database with sales info sounds good btw).

Roel.



Never be afraid of what you like. (Miles Davis)
User currently offlineCHabu From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (8 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 2771 times:

I sold a photo (not even my best one), displayed on MyAviation, to a Swiss magazine for 200 Swiss Franks (aprox 125 euro's).

That might give you a guideline....  Wink Expect late payment (mine took 8 weeks).

Bye, Chris.


User currently offlineEadster From Australia, joined Jan 2005, 2216 posts, RR: 14
Reply 11, posted (8 years 1 month 3 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 2755 times:

Quoting INNflight (Reply 5):
you ruin the market by doing that, so it shouldn't be worth considering

Well I've ruined the market quite a few times then.


User currently offlineJeffM From United States of America, joined May 2005, 3266 posts, RR: 52
Reply 12, posted (8 years 1 month 3 weeks ago) and read 2746 times:

Quoting JRadier (Thread starter):
It's for a cover,

Cover of what? That is a landscape aspect, magazines are generally in portrait. Did you give them permission to cut and crop your image? Or is it just going to be on a cover, but not the main image?


User currently offlinePtrjong From Netherlands, joined Mar 2005, 3904 posts, RR: 19
Reply 13, posted (8 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 2729 times:

Quoting JeffM (Reply 12):
Cover of what? That is a landscape aspect, magazines are generally in portrait. Did you give them permission to cut and crop your image?

You can hardly cut and crop that picture in any way, but the sky being blue it's easy enough for the magazine to create more of it at the top and bottom. I'd have no problem with that if it were my photo - that additional blue will be nothing more than a background for text.



The only difference between me and a madman is that I am not mad (Salvador Dali)
User currently offlineChrisair From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 2065 posts, RR: 3
Reply 14, posted (8 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 2712 times:

Quoting Eadster (Reply 11):
Well I've ruined the market quite a few times then.

From those of us who try and make a living through photography, we thank you from the bottom of our heart.

Remember folks, banks and bill collectors don't take photo credits.

Stop wanting your ego to be stroked and start sticking up for your work. If you want your ego stroked, go show the pictures to your mother or the others on this forum.

By the way, I'm glad to hear the photog in this case was compensated.

[Edited 2006-06-03 10:41:33]

User currently offline9VSPO From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (8 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 2706 times:

Quoting Ptrjong (Reply 2):
Quoting 9VSPO (Reply 1):
400 euros would be a good price for one pic for a 5000 print run.

Certainly would. Unless the organization is loaded, I think 100 to 200 euros is rather more realistic.

I got 300 euros for a 2000 print run. Don't under-sell yourself. These companies make a damn sight more money than that from the end product.
 Wink


User currently offlineJRadier From Netherlands, joined Sep 2004, 4670 posts, RR: 50
Reply 16, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 2626 times:

Sorry it took such a long time for me to reply, but I was on a short holiday to Lanzarote, Canary Islands. It's a tough job, but someone has to do it.

Quoting JeffM (Reply 12):

Cover of what? That is a landscape aspect, magazines are generally in portrait. Did you give them permission to cut and crop your image? Or is it just going to be on a cover, but not the main image?

I don't mind adding some blue to the image. And it will be the main image.

Quoting 9VSPO (Reply 15):
I got 300 euros for a 2000 print run. Don't under-sell yourself. These companies make a damn sight more money than that from the end product.
Wink

Depends on the picture as well, not to underdo myself but this isn't on extremly rare picture.



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User currently offlineThf1963 From Germany, joined May 2006, 6 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 2625 times:

Jurgen,

I might disappoint you but I just published some pictures in a magazine that sells about 30.000 copies here in Germany and they paid me 29 Euro per picture!

Hope you get a better rate!

Peter



The friendly guy from rails-and-wings.de in Berlin, Germany
User currently offlineINNflight From Austria, joined Apr 2004, 3765 posts, RR: 60
Reply 18, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 2621 times:

Quoting Thf1963 (Reply 17):
just published some pictures in a magazine that sells about 30.000 copies here in Germany and they paid me 29 Euro per picture!

I thought Aero pays EUR 15 / photo?  Smile

F.



Jet Visuals
User currently offlineSleekjet From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 2046 posts, RR: 22
Reply 19, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 2611 times:

I sold a cover shot to a magaziine with similar circulation. I consulted the stock photo pricing guide that is often referenced in this forum and asked for several hundred dollars.

They rejected the offer and seemed serious that they would never pay that much. I held out as long as I could and ended up getting $190 for it. It's much less than what I wanted, but I did get some compensation and a cover shot for my resume.

Tim Perkins



II Cor. 4:17-18
User currently offlineJRadier From Netherlands, joined Sep 2004, 4670 posts, RR: 50
Reply 20, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 2601 times:

Quoting Thf1963 (Reply 17):


I might disappoint you but I just published some pictures in a magazine that sells about 30.000 copies here in Germany and they paid me 29 Euro per picture!

There is a slight difirence between a pic inside a magazine and a covershot.

But to make it clear, I have allready sold the pic!



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