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User currently offlineDLKAPA From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (8 years 4 months 3 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 2212 times:

http://www.rockymountainavphotos.com/Kyle/Workflows/Workflows.htm

Since I really don't use my basic overview as my primary workflow anymore, I've found new tricks so I added a new workflow to include those tricks. This one uses some of Jeff Miller's actions/masks, noteable changes from the basic overview include discarding the dodge and burn tools, as well as the brightness/contrast adjustment.

The workflow itself can be found here:
http://www.rockymountainavphotos.com...Workflows/edsadvancedworkflow.html

Hope this helps!

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User currently offlineMongorat From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 165 posts, RR: 13
Reply 1, posted (8 years 4 months 3 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 2190 times:

Eric,

Nice workflow...one question about the sharpening or the application of "USM."
I notice every time you apply USM it is applied to a duplicate layer. Does this make a difference versus creating a duplicate layer, applying USM at say 500, .2, 0; and then another pass of USM at 150, .2, 0...ON THE SAME LAYER??

Regards,
Matt L


User currently offlineDLKAPA From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (8 years 4 months 3 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 2171 times:

Matt,

Actually it makes a big difference, this way you can easily erase away jaggies yet not lose all the sharpening you've done on a line.


User currently offlineGlennstewart From Australia, joined Jun 2003, 1124 posts, RR: 54
Reply 3, posted (8 years 4 months 2 weeks 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 2113 times:

Guys... looks great. I think I'm going to give this a shot soon to see what it's like.

Glenn



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User currently offlinePhilhyde From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 678 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (8 years 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 2041 times:

Quoting Mongorat (Reply 1):
I notice every time you apply USM it is applied to a duplicate layer. Does this make a difference versus creating a duplicate layer, applying USM at say 500, .2, 0; and then another pass of USM at 150, .2, 0...ON THE SAME LAYER??

As Eric mentioned, the point of the duplicate layers is so that you can erase the new sharpening back down to the previous layer. If you don't need to do the erasing, then there is no difference with or without the new layer.



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User currently offlineJeffM From United States of America, joined May 2005, 3266 posts, RR: 51
Reply 5, posted (8 years 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 2029 times:

Quoting Philhyde (Reply 4):
the point of the duplicate layers is so that you can erase the new sharpening back down to the previous layer.

Why not use a mask, and only apply sharpening in the amount you want in only the place you want? I'll never understand why someone would sharpen the whole image and then erase. That's like painting an entire care, then scraping the paint off the chrome, windows, and tires.


User currently offlineMongorat From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 165 posts, RR: 13
Reply 6, posted (8 years 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 1976 times:

Quoting Philhyde (Reply 4):
As Eric mentioned, the point of the duplicate layers is so that you can erase the new sharpening back down to the previous layer. If you don't need to do the erasing, then there is no difference with or without the new layer.

And that's the answer I was looking for...I never do any erasing, I was just wondering if this method of applying USM would somehow "limit" those darn little jaggies.

Quoting JeffM (Reply 5):
Why not use a mask, and only apply sharpening in the amount you want in only the place you want? I'll never understand why someone would sharpen the whole image and then erase. That's like painting an entire care, then scraping the paint off the chrome, windows, and tires.

Gotta' try this one soon Jeff...

Matt L


User currently offlineINNflight From Switzerland, joined Apr 2004, 3767 posts, RR: 60
Reply 7, posted (8 years 4 months 2 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 1963 times:

Sometime ago it was mentioned that the use of the dodge & burn tool is not allowed for Airliners.net uploads? Can sbdy confirm this?

F.



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User currently offlineJeffM From United States of America, joined May 2005, 3266 posts, RR: 51
Reply 8, posted (8 years 4 months 2 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 1951 times:

Quoting INNflight (Reply 7):
Sometime ago it was mentioned that the use of the dodge & burn tool is not allowed for Airliners.net uploads?

That would be absolutely rediculous.


User currently offlineDLKAPA From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (8 years 4 months 2 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 1938 times:

Quoting JeffM (Reply 5):
Why not use a mask, and only apply sharpening in the amount you want in only the place you want? I'll never understand why someone would sharpen the whole image and then erase. That's like painting an entire care, then scraping the paint off the chrome, windows, and tires.

I actually found it easier, because the way I sharpen I'd be doing more work painting away a mask over most of the photo, rather than just erasing away only a small part of a layer.


User currently offlineJeffM From United States of America, joined May 2005, 3266 posts, RR: 51
Reply 10, posted (8 years 4 months 2 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 1929 times:

Quoting DLKAPA (Reply 9):
I'd be doing more work painting away a mask over most of the photo, rather than just erasing away only a small part of a layer.

You must not understand Eric...you don't paint away a mask and then apply sharpening. You only apply sharpening or what ever other effect you want. There is no mask builiding. Here are the steps..

1. Open your image..
2. Make duplicate layer
3. Select effect and approximate amount. (sharpening, saturation, or any other..)
4. Goto Layer>Layer Mask>Hide All
5. Select a white brush to apply the effect
6. Select a black brush to remove any effect already applied.


User currently offlineDLKAPA From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (8 years 4 months 2 weeks 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 1913 times:

Quoting JeffM (Reply 10):

Ok I guess I got confused with my steps but what you've just said is exactly how I'd been doing it. Basically, I've found that I'd be painting with the white brush so much that it just takes less time to duplicate layer and erase, especially now since I've put all the sharpening/duplicating into an action, all I have to do is kill any jaggies I see and then I'm done.


User currently offlinePhilhyde From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 678 posts, RR: 1
Reply 12, posted (8 years 4 months 2 weeks 3 days ago) and read 1869 times:

Quoting JeffM (Reply 5):
Why not use a mask, and only apply sharpening in the amount you want in only the place you want? I'll never understand why someone would sharpen the whole image and then erase. That's like painting an entire care, then scraping the paint off the chrome, windows, and tires.

Maybe because more of the image needs sharpening than not? I haven't shot a single image with my 10D that didn't need sharpening. Much less work to remove a little here and there.



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User currently offlineJeffM From United States of America, joined May 2005, 3266 posts, RR: 51
Reply 13, posted (8 years 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 1860 times:

Quoting Philhyde (Reply 12):
Maybe because more of the image needs sharpening than not? I haven't shot a single image with my 10D that didn't need sharpening.

Bummer. Nothing says you can't hit the whole image with a quick shot of USM at a low setting if you think it needs it, then use the mask. Do what you like....if less work is what your after. I prefer to sharpen only what I want, and seldom is that the entire image. It takes me less then a minute and is completely reversable as often as needed, erasing on the other hand isn't. It was just a tip on improving technique, from the emails I've received, it has helped more then it has hindered.


User currently offlineGlennstewart From Australia, joined Jun 2003, 1124 posts, RR: 54
Reply 14, posted (8 years 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 1816 times:

Quoting INNflight (Reply 7):
Sometime ago it was mentioned that the use of the dodge & burn tool is not allowed for Airliners.net uploads? Can sbdy confirm this?

There must not be any intentional manipulation of the shot. By this, we expect the shot to be edited to a degree than correct colours, contrast, sharpness and the other usual suspects. We DO NOT accept the alteration of the image outside this scope.

You can use such tools to for example remove CCD dust spots or ever so slightly decrease the effect of jagged lines (i.e. sharpen certain areas selectively through the use of a mask or similar).

As long as there is no manipulation outside this, then everything is fine.

Glenn



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