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Dirty Rejection - Can't Find The Dust Spot  
User currently offlineParsival From Germany, joined Jan 2005, 82 posts, RR: 0
Posted (8 years 3 months 2 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 3965 times:
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Hi everybody,

I got a dirty-rejection for this one:
http://www.airliners.net/addphotos/rejections/big/20060620_psc1661.jpg

but I can't find the dust spot or whatever it is that caused this rejection. If it is the dark spot at the fuselage near the nose gear - I think this is not a dust spot. Here is a cutout of the raw original image:



Thanks for your help,
Bjoern


sorry for my broken english...
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User currently offlineTimdeGroot From Netherlands, joined Apr 2002, 3674 posts, RR: 64
Reply 1, posted (8 years 3 months 2 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 3953 times:
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few cm above the cockpit window

Tim



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User currently offline9VSPO From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (8 years 3 months 2 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 3952 times:

Quoting Parsival (Thread starter):
I can't find the dust spot

I've equalized the image and I cant see any dust spots either. I guess someone more profesional needs to look at it.


User currently offlineGlobalpics From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2005, 216 posts, RR: 2
Reply 3, posted (8 years 3 months 2 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 3946 times:

I've circled the two that I could find, but blimey I had to look hard for them.
Big version: Width: 1200 Height: 812 File size: 447kb


User currently offlineMarkJBeckwith From Canada, joined Jul 2005, 156 posts, RR: 3
Reply 4, posted (8 years 3 months 2 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 3918 times:

...the horror, the horror.....


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User currently offlinePhilhyde From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 678 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (8 years 3 months 2 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 3895 times:

Quoting Globalpics (Reply 3):
I've circled the two that I could find, but blimey I had to look hard for them.

So did I! I even equalized the image in PS and I could barely see them. Very critical rejection, if I might say.

Phil



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User currently offlineBrianW999 From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2003, 312 posts, RR: 5
Reply 6, posted (8 years 3 months 2 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 3865 times:

Quoting Philhyde (Reply 5):
So did I! I even equalized the image in PS and I could barely see them. Very critical rejection, if I might say.

I have to say that I agree with that. I equalised it and had to look VERY hard to find the spot above the cockpit. I say THE spot 'cos I never saw the second one ! I was too busy looking at a very nice, well exposed and framed pic of the aircraft.

[Edited 2006-06-21 01:39:55]

User currently offlineStealthZ From Australia, joined Feb 2005, 5705 posts, RR: 44
Reply 7, posted (8 years 3 months 2 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 3857 times:
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I equalised the image as posted by Bjoern and have to admit these are pretty minor spots and IMHO a tough rejection but that raises an interesting question that I have not seen an answer to in the past.
Do the screeners when performing their task, view the orginal image as uploaded by the contributor or the substantially more compressed version as ultimately hosted by A.net?

Interested to know the answer to that one!

Regards

Chris



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User currently offlineParsival From Germany, joined Jan 2005, 82 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (8 years 3 months 2 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 3789 times:
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Thank you for your help guys! Thank you Globalpics, without your circles I couldn't have had any chance to find them!

I have only two plasma-screens but it is long ago that I had a dust spot rejection. With the equalizing function and very careful looking I got them all in the past. I think there will allways be a small amount of dirt at any picture - it is like if you clean up a room, someone else will allways find dirt anywhere.

So the question is how hard do we need to look at to detect the very faintest dust spot? I think, if a dust spot is invisible as long as you (or the best screener) look without using help like equalize the image or magnify it, for who will this dust spot be a problem? Tim, did you find it without any kind of help? If yes - then I think a rejection is the right decision, if not, then its worth we all discuss about it.

Bjoern



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User currently offlineTimdeGroot From Netherlands, joined Apr 2002, 3674 posts, RR: 64
Reply 9, posted (8 years 3 months 2 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 3787 times:
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Quoting Parsival (Reply 8):
Tim, did you find it without any kind of help?

Yes I did, none of the screeners use any kind of equalizing tools to find dustspots. I just move the pic from side to side, this way dustspots easily show up.

Tim



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User currently offlineParsival From Germany, joined Jan 2005, 82 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (8 years 3 months 2 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 3771 times:
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Quoting TimdeGroot (Reply 9):
I just move the pic from side to side

I did it exactly the same way but the dust spot remains invisible for me, maybe due to my monitor. Then no discussion anymore, I'm gonna re-edit and re-upload the pic and think about buying a better monitor (cause I cant buy better eyes...  Smile )

Thanks again,
Bjoern



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User currently offlineGlobalpics From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2005, 216 posts, RR: 2
Reply 11, posted (8 years 3 months 2 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 3767 times:

Bjoern, you should be congratulated and praised for your positive attitude towards this, so often a thread like this starts negatively and ends even more so. We've all learn't something from this, great job guys  highfive 

User currently offlinePhilhyde From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 678 posts, RR: 1
Reply 12, posted (8 years 3 months 1 week 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 3711 times:

Quoting Globalpics (Reply 11):
Bjoern, you should be congratulated and praised for your positive attitude towards this, so often a thread like this starts negatively and ends even more so.

I agree!

Tim, thanks for your insight.

Phil



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User currently offlineWalter2222 From Belgium, joined Sep 2005, 1299 posts, RR: 28
Reply 13, posted (8 years 3 months 1 week 5 days ago) and read 3668 times:

Quoting Globalpics (Reply 11):
Bjoern, you should be congratulated and praised for your positive attitude towards this, so often a thread like this starts negatively and ends even more so. We've all learned something from this, great job guys

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One extra note is the fact that you know now that there is some dirt on your sensor (it will also be noticeable on any further shots you take), and at least you now know where to look for them and remove them (or better, clean the sensor/have the sensor cleaned).  Smile

PS: we can all learn from every rejection!

Best regards and good luck with the re-upload, it is a nice picture!

Walter



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