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What Focal Lenght Do You Use For Cockpit Photos?  
User currently offlineAirSpare From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 589 posts, RR: 6
Posted (8 years 3 months 4 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 5375 times:

The widest I have is a 16mm Hologon (105 degree FOV). What are the excellent photographers on a.net using?

Thanks~md


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User currently offlineFly747 From Canada, joined Apr 2005, 1497 posts, RR: 9
Reply 1, posted (8 years 3 months 4 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 5371 times:

Not sure about excellent photogs, but I have used 18mm in a CRJ and worked just fine. It may depend on the aircraft as well, say it will probably differ if you are shooting a cockpit of an F-16 or an A380.

Ivan


User currently offlineAndrewUber From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 2528 posts, RR: 40
Reply 2, posted (8 years 3 months 4 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 5369 times:

As short as possible! This one was at 18mm (29mm on my sensor):


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Shot it as a timed exposure with no flash, in order to not underexpose the ramp.

I would REALLY like to buy a Canon 10-22mm, but they're pretty expensive. Too much to spend for cool cockpit shots IMHO!

Drew



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User currently offlineAirSpare From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 589 posts, RR: 6
Reply 3, posted (8 years 3 months 4 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 5364 times:

Hi Andrew-nice photo, very lucky of you to be able to set up a tripod and take that shot. I wonder what the nice folks at AA would say if I asked them to do that after a flight. The 16mm would work really well in a 777, an MD80 would be a stretch I think.


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User currently offlineAJ From Australia, joined Nov 1999, 2395 posts, RR: 24
Reply 4, posted (8 years 3 months 4 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 5356 times:

Hi md,

this was shot with a 10-22mm at 10mm, a lens I bought especially for flightdecks:

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User currently offlineJavibi From Spain, joined Oct 2004, 1371 posts, RR: 41
Reply 5, posted (8 years 3 months 4 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 5337 times:

Quoting AirSpare (Thread starter):
The widest I have is a 16mm Hologon (105 degree FOV)

I do not know what that is but, as AJ showed, you can get wonderful results (in some flightdecks) with 16 mm (10 mm on a 20D with a 1.6 crop factor).

Cheers

j

P.S: I love that shot, Anthony.



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User currently offlineScbriml From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2003, 12640 posts, RR: 46
Reply 6, posted (8 years 3 months 4 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 5327 times:
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I take my cockpit shots with either my 10.5mm:

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or my 12-24mm:

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User currently offlineRG828 From Brazil, joined Jan 2004, 582 posts, RR: 2
Reply 7, posted (8 years 3 months 4 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 5322 times:
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I was meaning to ask on a separate thread,

If you put a 8mm circular fisheye on a 1D, theoretically you get 10.4mm (8mm x 1.3 crop) and a partial circular image.

That would make it the ultimate wideangle, would'nt it?

Any 1D users try this?



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User currently offlineChrisH From Sweden, joined Jul 2004, 1136 posts, RR: 16
Reply 8, posted (8 years 3 months 4 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 5322 times:

Quoting RG828 (Reply 7):
That would make it the ultimate wideangle, would'nt it?

not really :P Only if you like the distorted fisheye look.



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User currently offlineINNflight From Switzerland, joined Apr 2004, 3767 posts, RR: 60
Reply 9, posted (8 years 3 months 4 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 5315 times:

Quoting RG828 (Reply 7):
That would make it the ultimate wideangle, would'nt it?

Try it on a 1Ds or a 5D - who needs a 1.3 crop...


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User currently offlineAirSpare From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 589 posts, RR: 6
Reply 10, posted (8 years 3 months 4 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 5314 times:

Quoting Javibi (Reply 5):
I do not know what that is but

It's a Zeiss design from about 1966, extremely well corrected for distortion. Interestingly, the Mars Rover NavCams lenses are a Biogon/Hologon modification. The Hologon was based on the Biogon, designed in the early 50s and made many a trip to the moon on Hassleblad cameras. An advantage of this design vs. a Distagon lens which is a reverse telephoto that allows room for the mirror box on an SLR is it's simpler and better corrected for distortion. (Neither the the Biogon or Hologon designs will fit on an SLR.) The rear element of the Hologon is only a few millimeters from the film plane. The disadvantage in the one I have it requires a center graduated neutral density center filter due to light fall off on the corners. Oh yea, like all quality lenses, they're expensive. They're discontinued (I bought one used), but new they were about the price of a D200. If I can ever get a flight deck photo (X Air force, I still call them cockpits out of habit) I'll post it if I can get it approved.

I'm going to attempt a trip report and will show what it can do there (after scanning, etc).

AJ, very nice photo, thank you for the input, I feel confident that the 16mm will work now. Your lens shows very little barrel distotion. Sweet

~md

[Edited 2006-06-30 10:24:15]


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User currently offlineAero145 From Iceland, joined Jan 2005, 3071 posts, RR: 19
Reply 11, posted (8 years 3 months 4 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 5282 times:

I use 17-85mm lense, at 17mm, but IMO, the 27,2mm on my 20D are too narrow.

I'd like the 14mm Canon L lense - that would make my shooting easier - that's at least what I think.

-David


User currently offlineRG828 From Brazil, joined Jan 2004, 582 posts, RR: 2
Reply 12, posted (8 years 3 months 4 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 5260 times:
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Quoting ChrisH (Reply 8):
not really :P Only if you like the distorted fisheye look.



Quoting INNflight (Reply 9):
Try it on a 1Ds or a 5D - who needs a 1.3 crop...

True, but you would get a circular image on a black rectangle, at least on a 1.3 crop you get some leeway for software defishing.

On a 1.6 crop sensor you would still get 12.8mm, which is rather formidable.



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User currently offlinePaulinbna From United States of America, joined Feb 2003, 1114 posts, RR: 5
Reply 13, posted (8 years 3 months 4 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 5214 times:
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This was taken with a 10-22 at 10 MM. If you can take your flash and remove it from the camera and fire it at the ceiling in random spots, you can get the effect in the above picture.



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User currently offlineAirSpare From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 589 posts, RR: 6
Reply 14, posted (8 years 3 months 4 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 5207 times:

Paul, that's excellent. I am assuming it was shot on a tripod with the shutter set to B or aperture priority? How many seconds? ISO? The DOF is excellent, the lens is stopped down to ? I don't have a digital camera (yet), I sit in front of a computer all day and dread hours falling in love with PS.

Looking at the results with this lens, I can see why everyone likes it, barrel or pin cushion distortion? I don't see any (PS?).

Thanks for the tip.



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User currently offlinePaulinbna From United States of America, joined Feb 2003, 1114 posts, RR: 5
Reply 15, posted (8 years 3 months 3 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 5142 times:
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That was shot F-8 AP, ISO 100. I just let the camera pick the shutter speed. Yes it was on a tripod.


Canon 50D user; 100-400 MM L IS 10-22 MM, 60MM Macro
User currently offlinePaparadzi From Malaysia, joined Jan 2005, 202 posts, RR: 4
Reply 16, posted (8 years 3 months 3 weeks 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 5111 times:

Looks like the 10-22 (or equivalent) is THE lens for cockpit shots.


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