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User currently offlineBO__einG From Canada, joined Apr 2000, 2771 posts, RR: 18
Posted (8 years 3 months 2 weeks 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 3937 times:

Hello all,

I have a question on Tripods and Camera bags.

Lately, I have started to visit various camera stores to look around for a new tripod and a bag. I would like to get a stronger and higher quality type so I can take pictures at night at telephoto lengths without any shakes or vibrations.
Something sturdy with a non plastic construction, yet easy to use and not so heavy.

My budget is a little limited as I am willing to spend at most 70US dollars for a new tripod+head, and another 30US dollars for a new bag. Total budget of 100 dollars.

From the forums here it seems that many of you people use Lowpro bags and Manfrotto brands. The stores do have em but they are pretty pricey and there are too many kinds of each.
The type of bag I want is a shoulder strap bag large enough to fit a DSLR and a typical telephoto lens. Something simple yet with good cushion to protect my gear. I am kinda stunned that these bags are so expensive with top lines being like $500 for a Backpack.
Heck,My school backpack would be better if I improvise a bit and put in my pillows and a blankey.

Bo


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User currently offlineChris78cpr From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2004, 2822 posts, RR: 50
Reply 1, posted (8 years 3 months 2 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 3924 times:

You should not compromise on stuff like this. Save up longer until you can afford something better

I personnaly have a lowepro minitreker aw, nova 5aw, road runner aw and will son be ordering a Kata Rucksack as they are they high quality and protect my kit well.

For tripods, i have a manfrotto carbon fibre one with a heavy duty manfrotto ballhead. Again these are not cheap items but they can support my 1dii and 100-400 and i will not get any camera shake.

It's worth waiting to get the best so you only buy once!

Chris



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User currently offlineAirSpare From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 589 posts, RR: 6
Reply 2, posted (8 years 3 months 2 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 3915 times:

How much weight do you need to support? That is your first question then check out the manufactures sites.

Also, use your mirror lock up (if equiped) and a cable switch. There is some good info at RRS. But a decent ballhead and a sturdy tripod are not going to come cheap.



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User currently offlineViv From Ireland, joined May 2005, 3142 posts, RR: 28
Reply 3, posted (8 years 3 months 2 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 3912 times:

Quoting AirSpare (Reply 2):
Also, use your mirror lock up (if equiped) and a cable switch

Or delayed-action timer - many newer cameras are not compatible with a cable switch.



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User currently offlineAero145 From Iceland, joined Jan 2005, 3071 posts, RR: 19
Reply 4, posted (8 years 3 months 2 weeks 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 3903 times:

Could anybody tell me what mirror lock-up is??  angel 

Thanks!
David

PS: My 20D manual is in French, so I do not understand it, so I cannot understand what mirror lock-up is.  Silly


User currently offlineWhyWhyZed From Canada, joined Jan 2005, 914 posts, RR: 16
Reply 5, posted (8 years 3 months 2 weeks 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 3900 times:

Quoting Aero145 (Reply 4):
Could anybody tell me what mirror lock-up is??

When taking a photo, the mirror shooting up is what usually causes vibrations. When taking a longer exposure, you don't wany vibrations, so you can therefore lock up the mirror, which only exposes the shutter and the sensor behind that. Therefore, when taking the photo... only the shutter is moving. Something like that, anyways...

- Jason DePodesta

[Edited 2006-07-13 15:30:52]

User currently offlineAero145 From Iceland, joined Jan 2005, 3071 posts, RR: 19
Reply 6, posted (8 years 3 months 2 weeks 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 3898 times:

Thank you Jason.

When I'm night shooting in the winter, should I go to Custom Functions and apply "Mirror Lockup"?

Thanks!
David


User currently offlineManc From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2005, 344 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (8 years 3 months 2 weeks 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 3894 times:

I've just got a Crumpler called the "Farmers Double" photo bag. Great bag there are smaller versions, but give them a look up. Its got a lower compartment for camera bits, hold my 350D with grip attached and 70-300, my 24-70mm F2.8, 18-55, rocket blower and its still not full.


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User currently offlineStealthZ From Australia, joined Feb 2005, 5716 posts, RR: 44
Reply 8, posted (8 years 3 months 2 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 3890 times:
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David,

If you go here you will have an English Lang. 20D manual
www.cleaningdigitalcameras.com/pdf/EOS20DIM-EN.pdf

Cheers



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User currently offlineWhyWhyZed From Canada, joined Jan 2005, 914 posts, RR: 16
Reply 9, posted (8 years 3 months 2 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 3890 times:

Quoting Aero145 (Reply 6):
When I'm night shooting in the winter, should I go to Custom Functions and apply "Mirror Lockup"?

I just use the Canon RC-1 remote. It was about $20 and is great for other uses as well.

However, back on to the topic...
I personally use the Lowepro Mini Trekker AW as my camera bag. I have an Optex T5 monopod, and an Optex T465 tripod which I absolutely regret buying. The thing is sturdy and durable, but after carrying it for awhile, it really gets awkward and weighs you down. Sad

- Jason DePodesta


User currently offlineStealthZ From Australia, joined Feb 2005, 5716 posts, RR: 44
Reply 10, posted (8 years 3 months 2 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 3888 times:
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From experience..
There is a compromise to made with tripods.

Ideally the most sturdy and strongest you can possibly afford is a good thing, but the sturdiest tripod in the world is absolutely useless if it is so heavy and clumsy you leave it at home...

To some extent the same applies to camera bags

To spend thousands of dollars on lenses and cameras and restrict your self to $100 for bag and tripod may be false economy.

Cheers

Chris



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User currently offlineBO__einG From Canada, joined Apr 2000, 2771 posts, RR: 18
Reply 11, posted (8 years 3 months 2 weeks 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 3867 times:

Thanks guys,

So far I am liking the read. So I should up my budget a little more then? How about 150 total budget? I can lean a little more towards the bag as my night shooting will only take place once or twice every few months. I dont spot during the night but figured having a tripod in handy would be useful incase I have to make a trip someday.

Doesn't the camera and the lens have their own protective bags and cover. I could use those along with the cheaper camera bag for extra protection.

I will look a little more into the Manfrotto and Lowpro since they are the most popular and seems to be the most affordable, despite what they are being listed for.

A Ball head interests me as well as it looks much easier to use and clutter free.



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User currently offlineAirSpare From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 589 posts, RR: 6
Reply 12, posted (8 years 3 months 2 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 3860 times:

Quoting BO__einG (Reply 11):
A Ball head interests me as well as it looks much easier to use and clutter free.

You will like a BH much better then a pan/tilt, but looking at Acratech, Arca Swiss, RRS, you are going to see they all will destroy your budget before you put it on a tripod.

Regarding using your mirrow lock up (MLU) (especially for long exposures towards infinity) at night. I experimented with MLU one night shooting bulb (shutter is open until I release the electronic shutter release is released). It was with a 6x4.5 cm camera (the negative is about 2.7 times larger the 35mm). On a tripod, I remotely tripped the shutter, both with and without using MLU, at a boat passing by under a bridge in Biscayne Bay. Without using MLU, the light trail was oscillating from the mirror slap/camera shaking, and continued oscillating and damping as the light trail conintued for about a 75 meters of boat travel. It blew me away the amount of movement it showed.

As another boat passed by, tried it again using the MLU. The navigation light oscillated about 5% of the amplitude (practily nill) compared to the first shot. The only thing shaking the camera was the shutter.

Keep in mind, locking up your mirror on tripod shots is a good practice during the day, ESPECIALLY with long lenses and slower shutter speed. IS is nice to have, but if you don't have IS glass, you can compensate with better technique.

This is not OT, it serves no purpose to buy a tripod if your technique is "shakey". The camera was a Contax 645, 400ISO Kodak UC film, lens was a Carl Zeiss 120mm APO Makro (about 85mm in 35 mm format).

The nice thing about digital, is practicing is pretty cheap, that experiment cost me 20 bucks in film and processing. Have fun~

md



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User currently offlineB737200 From Malta, joined Feb 2005, 225 posts, RR: 2
Reply 13, posted (8 years 3 months 2 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 3825 times:

I use a Lowepro Mini Trekker Aw, it wasn't particularily cheap but everyone seemed to be happy with Lowepro so I saved up and ordered one from B and H (everyone seemed rather pleased with B and H as well) http://www.bhphotovideo.com/bnh/controller/home/.

It hasn't failed yet and seems very sturdy. I usually have no problems fitting an SLR and an 80-200mm lens.

If you want cheaper my friend said he found a relatively cheap Canon haversack, he didn't order it yet so I can't comment about its quality but being Canon it shouldn't be bad.



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User currently offlineBO__einG From Canada, joined Apr 2000, 2771 posts, RR: 18
Reply 14, posted (8 years 3 months 2 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 3802 times:

Thanks.

I am still in the hoop for what kind of bag and Tripod I want.
So far Lowpro and Menfrotto are the brands which I am fucusing on but those two have so many different types of products I don't know which to choose.
I don't want to spend too much on these but if I have to, I want to make sure that I am not wasting my money.

For the tripod, I will not be using it all the time but maybe once or twice every few months I might make a night trip out and would want to do long exposure shots. I have to rethink on that because spending $150 bucks or more and only using it a few times isn't the best use of my money.

For the camera bag, I am stuck between a shoulder strap and a backpack. Many spotters use both and I don't know which is better or whether it is all on personal preference. does one type offer better protection from the other, is the camera stable and secure so they wont bounce around? Will storing a camera with a large telephoto lens like a 70-200 or 80-400 create any kind of stress or strain while in the bag, especially if you are running or driving on bumpy roads. Anything causing sudden shakes to the bag.



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User currently offlineB737200 From Malta, joined Feb 2005, 225 posts, RR: 2
Reply 15, posted (8 years 3 months 2 weeks 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 3787 times:

I don't think the type of bag (shoulder strap or backpak) really makes a difference in the security of the equipment. I prefer the backpack since I find it more stable and comfortable on my shoulders when I'm walking around the airport (I don't drive and none of my friends do so our spotting trips are usually sort of marathons). I do however find that when the backpack is full or near that everything does stay in place more. When equipment moves around however it really isn't a big deal since the backpacks, at least mine, are well padded.

In my opinion though, the shoulder strap does make more of the equipment available at once, with the backpack you might have to dig deeper for certain stuff.

As for what equipment can be stored,I usually have no problems carrying my D70 with an 80-200mm lens attached, a 35-70mm and 18-70mm in storage in my backpack. with this configuration I can at least also fit in a Nikon F4 (which is rather large). I used to be able to fit the same with shoulder strap bags, actually a tiny bit less if you are going to need to keep a rain jacket in the bag since the backpacks usually have another smaller compartment where you can keep stuff like garments, etc.

I think the question here is personal preference, both will protect you equipment.

Hope this helps Big grin



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User currently offlineFergulmcc From Ireland, joined Oct 2004, 1916 posts, RR: 53
Reply 16, posted (8 years 3 months 2 weeks 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 3782 times:

Quoting Chris78cpr (Reply 1):
You should not compromise on stuff like this. Save up longer until you can afford something better



Quoting Chris78cpr (Reply 1):
It's worth waiting to get the best so you only buy once!

I agree with Chris on this one, I recently bought myself a Giottos MT8180 Carbon fibre tripod and am very happy with it, it will let you get by with out a head as it has a limited 3 way movement. It aslo allows you to open the legs in three positions, in other words you can open them almost flat allowing you get get very low to the ground, I think Manfrotto have a similar one. Later on I bought a Manfrotto ball head, 488 as it can ahndle the weight of my lenses.
Camera bag??, well there is a lot out there so pick one that is going to last and protect your gear, Lowepro is just one make, there are many more that are just as good, but the moral of the story here is save up and get yourself a good one, it will last longer! Just for your info I have a Lowepro Photo Trekker Classic, its a big bag bag but then I have a lot of lenses.

Take care

Fergul  sun 



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User currently offlineBO__einG From Canada, joined Apr 2000, 2771 posts, RR: 18
Reply 17, posted (8 years 3 months 1 week 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 3718 times:

Update.

It has been over a week since the last post but I think I have finally made a decision. I already bought a tripod and will about to do the same with the camera bag.

For the tripod I bought a Manfrotto 725B Digital Tripod model which has a ball head included in its assembly. It was about $150 dollars with tax, but it does at least meet the minimums to shoot at night for long exposures. The manual says that it can support a weight up to 12lbs and a DSLR camera with a long telephoto lens. Of course my equipment is nowhere near 12lbs so despite a tele lens going on it, I should be okay. Its legs can only spread out a certain amount and there is limited control over how high or how low I want to position the tripod but that is okay as an entry level like this one will do fine.

For the camera bag I looked at some of the types that you guys use and I think I am going to go for the Lowpro Nova5AW Shoulder bag. I went to the store and the dealer showed it to me how a camera with a tele lens can be loaded and it looks promising. The length of the bag around 32" is quite nice.  Smile Some of you guys have this one and I'm guessing the bag is working out well for them. The rain cover included is also nice. Price is well, it is not too bad (affordable) I think it will be a good bag to start things off with.
I think I will buy it as early as tomorrow then I will be fully ready to shoot.

Thanks for all your help guys. I wouldnt of even known the NOVA series if it wasnt for a few of you who mentioned it.

Cheers,

BO



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User currently offlineWhyWhyZed From Canada, joined Jan 2005, 914 posts, RR: 16
Reply 18, posted (8 years 3 months 1 week 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 3710 times:

Quoting BO__einG (Reply 17):
I think I will buy it as early as tomorrow then I will be fully ready to shoot.

Should we Let this entire forum know of The Great Bo Kim getting a Camera Bag? But more specifically a Lowepro Nova5AW Shoulder bag!


User currently offlinePhotopilot From Canada, joined Jul 2002, 2775 posts, RR: 18
Reply 19, posted (8 years 3 months 1 week 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 3703 times:

Now that you've got your tripod you need to learn how to make it as sturdy as possible during use. You have to learn how to "cheat" it to behave like a larger/heavier tripod. It's all in technique.

While locking up the mirror is great, here's another little trick that will greatly improve stability and lessen vibrations.

Simply hang your camera bag from the tripod so it hangs down between the three legs but doesn't touch the ground. This extra weight will greatly increase the "damping" of any tiny vibrations or shake or wind. And best of all, this technique costs you nothing.

Steve


User currently offlineAC773 From Canada, joined Nov 2005, 1730 posts, RR: 2
Reply 20, posted (8 years 3 months 1 week 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 3685 times:

Quoting BO__einG (Reply 17):
I already bought a tripod and will about to do the same with the camera bag.

Any chance of you posting your full equipment list to date?



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User currently offlineNicolasRubio From Argentina, joined Sep 2005, 585 posts, RR: 3
Reply 21, posted (8 years 3 months 1 week 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 3682 times:

Is there any way to lock the mirror in a SLR? A Canon EOS 500N


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User currently offlineViv From Ireland, joined May 2005, 3142 posts, RR: 28
Reply 22, posted (8 years 3 months 1 week 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 3670 times:

Quoting NicolasRubio (Reply 21):
Is there any way to lock the mirror in a SLR?

Could it possibly be explained in the camera manual? Stranger things have happened ...

Camera manuals are generally available online.



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