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I've Finally Lost My Patience  
User currently offlineA340600 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2003, 4105 posts, RR: 51
Posted (8 years 2 months 1 week 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 3614 times:

Hello,

I've been patient and collected about the screening on here, queue situation etc but i've had enough! In 2004 when I first got the finepix I would go to the airport all the time striving to get that shot on A.net. I accepted many rejections, rightly so, and learnt a lot from it. People said i'd never get a single shot on with that camera but I managed almost 40, some of which people thought were shot with SLR'd. Once I got my canon it was a new challenge and good fun. I have had a lot of patience and never emailed screeners angrily or posted here like some. However this is the last straw.

I wait two weeks for a photo to be screened, a photo I am extremely proud of and I feel deserves to be in this database more than any I have ever taken. After my short wait for it to be screened I have a bad quality just like that. No consideration whatsoever has been taken into account in that it was shot in the middle of a storm and poor lighting. If this isn't high enough to get in, I don't know what is and quite frankly i've had enough, whereas I used to learn now i'm just fed up and annoyed, this place isn't what it used to be any more! Here is the shot in question, i'm out

http://www.airliners.net/addphotos/r...ns/big/20060717_IMG_3855edeit2.jpg

Sam

[Edited 2006-07-17 23:48:15]


Despite the name I am a Boeing man through and through!
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User currently offlineTrekster From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (8 years 2 months 1 week 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 3597 times:

Sam  Sad

Thats one great picture. I remember you jumping around the car park when you took that, followed by us all swearing when there was a loud clap of thunder.

That shot is amazing, i aint a photo buff but i cant see why its been rejected at all, considereing some of the shots in here.

Good pan, nice view of the aircraft.

If there are any screeners in here, tell us why it did not get inl, its amazing shot


User currently offlineTimdeGroot From Netherlands, joined Apr 2002, 3674 posts, RR: 64
Reply 2, posted (8 years 2 months 1 week 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 3597 times:
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A clear reject I think everyone will agree.

If you want to leave because of it, fine. Just know that this shot wouldn't have gotten in the db two years ago, or even four years ago. Improve your technique before critizing this site.

Tim



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User currently offlineA340600 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2003, 4105 posts, RR: 51
Reply 3, posted (8 years 2 months 1 week 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 3587 times:

4 years ago, are you serious?! I got shots of a lower quality accepted in 2004 which is 2 years ago.


Despite the name I am a Boeing man through and through!
User currently offlineLinco22 From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2005, 1380 posts, RR: 16
Reply 4, posted (8 years 2 months 1 week 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 3587 times:

Sam, its a nice attempt, but I agree with Tim. Its a shame that once again someone set out solely to get photos on here. Keep trying but if its too much then that your choice. Dont mean to sound harsh either mate.

Regards
Colin  Smile


User currently offlineTrekster From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (8 years 2 months 1 week 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 3576 times:

Can someone explain whats wrong with the pic.
I have just been looking thru some of the database and this is better then a few of them.

I have seen pics added after 2001 that i dont think should be in the database and they are.


User currently offlineA340600 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2003, 4105 posts, RR: 51
Reply 6, posted (8 years 2 months 1 week 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 3576 times:

Quoting Linco22 (Reply 4):
Its a shame that once again someone set out solely to get photos on here.

Oh, not at all. I also use them for my own personal use etc. However, thankyou for a kind post, much appreciated Smile



Despite the name I am a Boeing man through and through!
User currently offlineD L X From United States of America, joined May 1999, 11362 posts, RR: 52
Reply 7, posted (8 years 2 months 1 week 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 3568 times:

I definitely understand your frustration, man. I kind of lost it last week, myself.

I decided to take a week off (I should be doing other things anyway) and come back later.

Some things you should know though - this forum can sometimes be helpful.
1) This site does not care about what pains you had to take to get a shot. It only cares about how good the shot is. Think golf, not figure skating - you want to get the ball in the hole; you will not be awarded difficulty points.

2) Don't shoot when you'd have to rely on difficulty points to get a shot in.

3) If the shot is difficult, it better be really cool - but still properly edited.

4) Finally, don't ever go out with the purpose of getting a shot on A.net. You'll have more fun with this hobby if all you care about is improving your own skills.

With that said, your shot:
- It is oversharpened on most of the plane. Did you use CS2's smart sharpen or USM feature with too high a radius? There are pronounced jaggies on the horizontal stabilizer, and white halos around all the titles.
- It is dark. Lighten it up.
- It is blurry, especially on the tail. Props for your effort! Panning... in low light... in bad weather... you've picked the hardest shot someone can take. But, unfortunately, that simply won't be an reason to accept.

I hope this was somewhat helpful, frustrated photographer to frustrated photographer.



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User currently offlineA340600 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2003, 4105 posts, RR: 51
Reply 8, posted (8 years 2 months 1 week 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 3555 times:

Quoting D L X (Reply 7):
I hope this was somewhat helpful, frustrated photographer to frustrated photographer.

Indeed, what you would expect from a screener too, not the rudeness earlier.

That weekend in MAN I took soem 300 photos, only 2 of which I even took the time to upload on here so that definately proves it is not my number one priority, I enjoy it just as much shooting for myself.

I didn't edit it myself, this time I sent it to a trusted friend who's a professional photographer,

Thanks

Sam

[Edited 2006-07-18 00:10:34]


Despite the name I am a Boeing man through and through!
User currently offlineLinco22 From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2005, 1380 posts, RR: 16
Reply 9, posted (8 years 2 months 1 week 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 3555 times:

Quoting A340600 (Reply 6):
However, thankyou for a kind post, much appreciated

I did honestly try to be encouraging, hope that wasn't sarcasm  Wink


User currently offlineA340600 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2003, 4105 posts, RR: 51
Reply 10, posted (8 years 2 months 1 week 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 3555 times:

Quoting Linco22 (Reply 9):
I did honestly try to be encouraging, hope that wasn't sarcasm

Not at all, I appreciated the reply biggrin 



Despite the name I am a Boeing man through and through!
User currently offlineTimdeGroot From Netherlands, joined Apr 2002, 3674 posts, RR: 64
Reply 11, posted (8 years 2 months 1 week 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 3540 times:
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Quoting A340600 (Reply 8):
Indeed, what you would expect from a screener too, not the rudeness earlier.

I think you were the one who was rude. I just told you the truth about your shot. if you can't take criticism than don't upload to A.net.

Tim



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User currently offline9VSPO From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (8 years 2 months 1 week 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 3528 times:

Quoting TimdeGroot (Reply 2):
A clear reject I think everyone will agree



Quoting Trekster (Reply 5):
Can someone explain whats wrong with the pic

Sam, it's grainy and blurry as hell and I'm not even a screener.


User currently offlineDazbo5 From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2005, 2913 posts, RR: 2
Reply 13, posted (8 years 2 months 1 week 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 3483 times:

I can sympathise here with you Sam because I feel the same at this moment in time. I do agree about the rejection of your shot though. Its a super shot given the conditions, but it was always going to be very difficult to get that one on here. I'm getting very frustrated at the moment as well. My acceptance ratio has gone from 70-80% down to 0%, and I mean 0%! I've recently changed lenses and for some reason, I just can't get to grips with sharpening with it. I've just had this one rejected for 'soft' and 'oversharpened' and I just get the feeling the ones I have in the que at the moment are wasting everyones time.

http://www.airliners.net/addphotos/r...717_Astraeus-B737-33A-G-STRJ-3.JPG

For me, the main thing is the enjoyment of being in the outdoors and shooting a few frames, buts its also nice to get a few shots accepted on here, a sense of acheivment. It is very frustrating though when you get a shot which you think is fine, only for it to be rejected so I can sympathise.

Darren



Equipment: 2x Canon EOS 50D; Sigma 10-20 EX DC HSM, 50-500 EX APO DG, Canon 24-105 f/4 L, Speedlite 430EX
User currently offlineA340600 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2003, 4105 posts, RR: 51
Reply 14, posted (8 years 2 months 1 week 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 3467 times:

Quoting Dazbo5 (Reply 13):

Thanks for your reply. What annoys me more than anything is some of the screeners attitudes I see in threads, many people are now too scared to even ask a question. It doesn't have that same community feeling it used to. Btw That's a lovely shot, I like AEU's colourscheme especially on the B757.

Sam Smile



Despite the name I am a Boeing man through and through!
User currently offlineNIKV69 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (8 years 2 months 1 week 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 3457 times:

Quoting D L X (Reply 7):
Some things you should know though - this forum can sometimes be helpful.
1) This site does not care about what pains you had to take to get a shot. It only cares about how good the shot is. Think golf, not figure skating - you want to get the ball in the hole; you will not be awarded difficulty points.

Awesome anology!


User currently offlineJeffM From United States of America, joined May 2005, 3266 posts, RR: 51
Reply 16, posted (8 years 2 months 1 week 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 3455 times:

Quoting A340600 (Thread starter):
No consideration whatsoever has been taken into account in that it was shot in the middle of a storm and poor lighting.

Why should that matter? And how would you know if it was considered or not? You don't, you just want to mouth off saying it wasn't.

Quoting A340600 (Thread starter):
If this isn't high enough to get in, I don't know what is

It isn't...

Quoting TimdeGroot (Reply 2):
A clear reject I think everyone will agree.

Yup.

Quoting A340600 (Thread starter):
i'm out

C-Ya  wave 


User currently offlineBubbles From Canada, joined Apr 2005, 1195 posts, RR: 51
Reply 17, posted (8 years 2 months 1 week 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 3450 times:
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Hi Sam,

I fully understand your frustration!

However, I think the shot you posted has at least two problems which may result in quality rejection.

1. Somewhere is soft, like cabin windows, and the tail
2. Somewhere is jaggy, like the lettering "bmibaby.com" on fuselage, the leading edges of the wing and stabilizer.

And somehow I feel the shot suffers a little blurry problem, as well. Of course, I am not a screener. But I still hope my words help!

_Hongyin_

[Edited 2006-07-18 00:46:43]

User currently offlineD L X From United States of America, joined May 1999, 11362 posts, RR: 52
Reply 18, posted (8 years 2 months 1 week 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 3442 times:

Quoting A340600 (Reply 14):
What annoys me more than anything is some of the screeners attitudes I see in threads, many people are now too scared to even ask a question.

Breathe, man! Slow down.

Screeners catch hell for not being quick on the queue, and then they catch hell for not responding to posts. If you want screener input, just relax and let it come to you. (Before anyone says it, I know - I need to practice what I preach.)



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User currently offlineA340600 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2003, 4105 posts, RR: 51
Reply 19, posted (8 years 2 months 1 week 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 3434 times:

Hey,

I'm starting to calm down and the effect of too many Pimm's this evening is wearing off  . It's odd how your hype over a shot when you upload can block the true vision, a bit like beer goggles but with photos  And that is not the best shot i've sent in here, that would have to be the London overview 

Anyhow, thanks to all those who replied with reasons etc and it is a recomendation not to open screening emails under the influence of alcoholic beverages 

Thanks,

Sam 

[Edited 2006-07-18 00:56:56]


Despite the name I am a Boeing man through and through!
User currently offlineD L X From United States of America, joined May 1999, 11362 posts, RR: 52
Reply 20, posted (8 years 2 months 1 week 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 3434 times:

Quoting Bubbles (Reply 17):
Of course, I am not a screener

You will be. It's only a matter of time.  Wink



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User currently offlineNIKV69 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (8 years 2 months 1 week 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 3404 times:

Quoting D L X (Reply 18):
Breathe, man! Slow down

Seriously.

Quoting A340600 (Reply 14):
Thanks for your reply. What annoys me more than anything is some of the screeners attitudes I see in threads, many people are now too scared to even ask a question.

As soon as I read this I remembered the part in Glengarry Glenross when Ed Harris answers Al Pacino, by saying "Fuck the machine? Fuck the machine? While he totally shits on Jack Lemmon Then asks Pacino" what is this courtesy class?"

Sometimes people here come across a certain way, even our JeffM lends a personal flair with his advice. In the end however they are telling it to you straight. Just because many other disgruntled photogs have started this thing with the persona of the screeners doesn't make it so. If they answer your question, take the advice and nothing more. You will be better off.


User currently offlineDC10Tim From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2005, 1406 posts, RR: 14
Reply 22, posted (8 years 2 months 1 week 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 3385 times:

Hi Sam,

It's no use coming in here and mouthing about it now. If you had come in here and asked for help when you uploaded it, or better still before, I'm sure there would have been plenty of people willing to offer advise. I like the shot, but the quality isn't out of this world and it was rejected. The standards here now are very high and it is difficult for people to have a great amount of success without knowing what is required. I hope I'm not sounding patronising here. Don't worry about any of the egos you might come across, just ask with the next shot and you'll get help.

Quoting NIKV69 (Reply 21):
ometimes people here come across a certain way, even our JeffM lends a personal flair with his advice.

Isn't it lovely when we all get along? You two will be best buds in two weeks  Smile

Regards,

Tim.



Obviously missing something....
User currently offlineFlyingZacko From Germany, joined May 2005, 583 posts, RR: 6
Reply 23, posted (8 years 2 months 1 week 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 3365 times:

I just hope you know that there are a ton of jaggies on the elevator and the flaps my friend, before you go all crazy up in here. Besides that, the post in the background is annoying, plus I could do with a different approach when centering this one.
But other than that, it should get accepted.  Smile

Cheers,
Sebastian

[Edited 2006-07-18 01:48:44]


Canon 40D + 24-70 f/2.8 L + 70-200 f/4 L + Speedlite 430EX
User currently offlineEadster From Australia, joined Jan 2005, 2216 posts, RR: 14
Reply 24, posted (8 years 2 months 1 week 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 3362 times:

Your first problem was trying to get pics on here. Never do that.

Shoot for what you want and don't worry about here. What you've done is a prime example of what people should NOT do. All your doing is learning on how to shoot to a set of rules, which is not what photography is all about.


25 D L X : Or the Earth will collapse upon itself. Hmm... I wonder if such a scene would warrant priority.
26 StealthZ : This sharpness thing and different monitors is becoming quite something, on my reasonably high end Trinitron I can see the beginings of a sharpness i
27 Philhyde : With the exception of the elevator and slats (not the flaps), this photo is actually a little softer than I would submit. It's beside the point, but t
28 Post contains images VirginFlyer : I think that is a very good idea, and I would encourage everyone who wants to raise concerns about a photo rejection to not post in the heat of the m
29 Senorcarnival : Sam, your post has more holes than Swiss cheese. Please tell me you are still not shooting to get shots on A.net. Try to have fun. There are some awes
30 Viv : Honestly, I think that an appeal would result in another rejection. The shot is a great try considering the conditions at the time, but quality is la
31 Post contains images INNflight : Because of what? Because a screener could hurt feelings when critisizing the photos you're proud of? Because somebody is afraid of JeffM replying? Co
32 RuudOnline : Its a great shot and many people would agree to me. And yes the tail is a bit blurry (adds some extra speed IMO) and there are some sharpening issues.
33 Jorge1812 : Sam, when I read your post I thought this has to be a very good pic but when looking at it it's a clear rejection. I had better shots rejected and don
34 AirMalta : I used to have FujiFinepix S602Z and got over 400 photos accepted with it!! and you know it was very difficult to shoot with it since you have to zoom
35 Granite : Sam Screener correctly rejected. Quality not up to scratch. Nothing more to say. Sam, this place is what you make it. Regards Gary
36 Diezel : The problem with a pan shot while the airplane is not right in front of you, flying in a straight line from left to right or vice versa, is that to th
37 Post contains images Bubbles : Yes, I still remember Eduard Brantjes drew a diagram to show this. _Hongyin_
38 Post contains images A340600 : Hello, I don't exactly know what came over me last night, those who know me on this forum will know I was certainly not myself But I don't. I can see
39 Post contains images 9VSPO : Stick to pop.
40 A340600 : I'm usually fine. I don't know if it was even the drink. I just wasn't with it last night, Sam
41 Dacman : I flew on this bird last October from Cardiff to Edinburgh.....awesome flight and we took off in the worst rain storm I have ever flown in. BTW cool p
42 Post contains images StealthZ : Absolutely!! Maybe Mike can't spell "lose" .. but then he is American but what he says about screeners losing sight of the real world might apply!
43 Post contains images Skidmarks : Sam, having read most of the to-ing and fro-ing on here I have to say that although I like the shot, and appreciate the difficulties in it's execution
44 Post contains images D L X : Still waiting for that email, Sam...
45 CallMeCapt : If you caught a bolt of lightning right through the centre and behind the aircraft, I reckon it would definitely be accepted. I love taking these phot
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