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User currently offlineAussieAviator From Australia, joined Jul 2006, 78 posts, RR: 0
Posted (7 years 11 months 3 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 4436 times:

... to be submitted for inclusion on A.Net ?

I don't want to waste the screeners time by submitting something below par.

It is one of my first attempts.

I'm thinking the port tail plane is a little too dark and merges in with the pine trees in the background - but really, I have no idea !  Smile

All comments appreciated.

Taken with a Panasonic DMC-FZ30 (ISO 100, F5.4, 1/640)



[Edited 2006-08-16 14:09:09]


Graham Slingsby
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User currently offlineJumboJim747 From Australia, joined Oct 2004, 2464 posts, RR: 44
Reply 1, posted (7 years 11 months 3 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 4429 times:
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I cant comment on the Quality but the shot looks unlevel and cropped too far .
Try cropping a little tighter and level the shot .
Not a bad first attempt but it needs work.
Cheers



On a wing and a prayer
User currently offlineAussieAviator From Australia, joined Jul 2006, 78 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (7 years 11 months 3 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 4415 times:

Quoting JumboJim747 (Reply 1):
I cant comment on the Quality but the shot looks unlevel and cropped too far .
Try cropping a little tighter and level the shot .
Not a bad first attempt but it needs work.

Thanks Alan. I appreciate your assessment and kind comment. I've tried to alter the image as you have suggested in Photoshop CS2.

The result is below:

Big version: Width: 844 Height: 405 File size: 409kb



Graham Slingsby
User currently offlineWoody001 From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2004, 529 posts, RR: 22
Reply 3, posted (7 years 11 months 3 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 4401 times:

Graham,

You need to keep the aspect ratio to something like 3:2.
Within Photoshop set the crop tool to be 3 x 2 in the boxes, but don't enter a dpi value.

Best of luck,
Ian.



If I could just get the afterburner working...
User currently offlineAzza40 From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2006, 1052 posts, RR: 2
Reply 4, posted (7 years 11 months 3 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 4383 times:

Try and get rid of a few minor dust spots above the plane. Or am i the only one who can see them?

Aaron  swirl 



Not been on here for a good 2/3 years!
User currently offlineUnattendedBag From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 2323 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (7 years 11 months 3 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 4302 times:

unfortunatly, I don't think it can be saved.


Slower traffic, keep right
User currently offlineEadster From Australia, joined Jan 2005, 2216 posts, RR: 14
Reply 6, posted (7 years 11 months 2 weeks 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 4257 times:

I don't think its salvagable either (for here anyway). But a good attempt and with a great aircraft.

Just out of interest, where was that GAM beast taken?


User currently offlineLanas From Argentina, joined Aug 2006, 978 posts, RR: 13
Reply 7, posted (7 years 11 months 2 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 4244 times:

The second edit is still a little unlevelled and has issues regarding the aspect ratio, as Ian said earlier on the thread. I would try from scratch, but I don´t think it can be saved either. Keep posting anyway! Don´t be discouraged, at the beginning it might be hard work to get your first shot accepted.

Cheers,

Lanas.-



"Faithless is he that says farewell when the road darkens." J.R.R. Tolkien
User currently offlineAussieAviator From Australia, joined Jul 2006, 78 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (7 years 11 months 2 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 4239 times:

Quoting Eadster (Reply 6):
I don't think its salvagable either (for here anyway). But a good attempt and with a great aircraft.

Just out of interest, where was that GAM beast taken?

Thanks for the comments gentlemen.

The 'dust spots' are actually a flock of birds spooked by the immediate departure of a Cessna 310 (out of shot) from RWY 23.

The GAM beast was photographed last week at Corowa airport. The owner flies the aircraft to Corowa once a week, where he has certain business interests in the area. The aircraft is sheltered in a purpose built hangar on the airport.

This is my attempt at trying to salvage the image using 3 x 2 cropping and unsharp mask - with birds (dust spots) in the background.



And again ... levelled with flock of birds removed using clone tool.

Big version: Width: 1024 Height: 683 File size: 723kb


[Edited 2006-08-17 01:45:15]


Graham Slingsby
User currently offlineLanas From Argentina, joined Aug 2006, 978 posts, RR: 13
Reply 9, posted (7 years 11 months 2 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 4236 times:

Much better! Congrats!
Still unlevelled in my opinion. Try some CCW rotation.

Regards,

Lanas.-



"Faithless is he that says farewell when the road darkens." J.R.R. Tolkien
User currently offlineAussieAviator From Australia, joined Jul 2006, 78 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (7 years 11 months 2 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 4218 times:

For some really annoying reason, I can't seem to edit my post above to re-insert the image which now shows the dreaded red 'X' and 'dead' link. Can anyone tell me why you can't edit your own post? I was able to do it on one occasion and now it won't allow me to do it again!  mad 

Here is the image, levelled with flock of birds removed using clone tool.

Big version: Width: 1024 Height: 683 File size: 723kb
Levelled and flock of birds removed



Graham Slingsby
User currently offlineAirplanepics From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2003, 2730 posts, RR: 41
Reply 11, posted (7 years 11 months 2 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 4176 times:

Quoting AussieAviator (Reply 10):

Here is the image, levelled with flock of birds removed using clone tool.

And you've just admitted that? I wouldn't even bother uploading this image now...  Yeah sure



Simon - London-Aviation.com
User currently offlineAussieAviator From Australia, joined Jul 2006, 78 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (7 years 11 months 2 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 4172 times:

Quoting Airplanepics (Reply 11):
And you've just admitted that?

I guess the screeners would note alterations anyway?

Why would it pose such a problem, when A.net provide a link for improving images - which give detailed instructions on 'levelling' and 'cloning' techniques using Photo Elements - specifically for uploads to this very website?

If they don't want people to use these procedures, why provide the link? Sounds kind of weird to me.



Graham Slingsby
User currently offlineAzza40 From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2006, 1052 posts, RR: 2
Reply 13, posted (7 years 11 months 2 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 4167 times:

The cloning is nearly as bad as mine as well  tongue 

Aaron  swirl 



Not been on here for a good 2/3 years!
User currently offlineAirplanepics From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2003, 2730 posts, RR: 41
Reply 14, posted (7 years 11 months 2 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 4167 times:

Quoting Azza40 (Reply 13):
The cloning is nearly as bad as mine as well

No it's not, that's about 1000x better than your photo. Bird's are natural, he couldn't help them being there - lamp-posts aren't, you knew they were there.



Simon - London-Aviation.com
User currently offlineAzza40 From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2006, 1052 posts, RR: 2
Reply 15, posted (7 years 11 months 2 weeks 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 4151 times:

Quoting Airplanepics (Reply 14):
No it's not, that's about 1000x better than your photo. Bird's are natural, he couldn't help them being there - lamp-posts aren't, you knew they were there.

But the goverment put the lamposts there not me  Wink so i could not do anything about them being there.

Aaron  swirl 



Not been on here for a good 2/3 years!
User currently offlineLanas From Argentina, joined Aug 2006, 978 posts, RR: 13
Reply 16, posted (7 years 11 months 2 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 4111 times:

Mmmm be careful with the cloning. It´s not illegal but you must use it accurately. You´ve left two light blue spots that are easy to see.
Try not removing the birds. The ones on the far right might be the most suitable for cloning, but if I were you I´d leave them all.
Regards,

Lanas.-



"Faithless is he that says farewell when the road darkens." J.R.R. Tolkien
User currently offlineAussieAviator From Australia, joined Jul 2006, 78 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (7 years 11 months 2 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 4082 times:

Quoting Lanas (Reply 16):
Mmmm be careful with the cloning. It´s not illegal but you must use it accurately. You´ve left two light blue spots that are easy to see.
Try not removing the birds. The ones on the far right might be the most suitable for cloning, but if I were you I´d leave them all.
Regards,

Lanas.-

Thanks Lanas,

I think you might be right. I'm not big into cloning images - I'd rather submit something that is natural and does not require extensive image manipulation. Apart from levelling and some sharpening (if absolutely necessary) - I'd rather leave the images alone.

I just need to think a bit more and be conscious of my situational awareness when taking photographs.

Lanas, I note you live in Argentina ? Is it at all possible to obtain some images of Argentinian Air Force and Navy (Armada) aircraft? In particular - the Mirage III ? I love Argentinian military aircraft  Smile

Cheers mate



Graham Slingsby
User currently offlineJeffM From United States of America, joined May 2005, 3266 posts, RR: 52
Reply 18, posted (7 years 11 months 2 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 4078 times:

Quoting AussieAviator (Reply 10):
Can anyone tell me why you can't edit your own post?

Too much time has passed. Your limited.


User currently offlineAussieAviator From Australia, joined Jul 2006, 78 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (7 years 11 months 2 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 4004 times:

Quoting JeffM (Reply 18):
Too much time has passed. Your limited.

Thanks, I should have read the intro which explains this. Sorry to have wasted any ones time.



Graham Slingsby
User currently offlineAussieAviator From Australia, joined Jul 2006, 78 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (7 years 11 months 2 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 4000 times:

It's a crap image (I know this now) ... but thanks eveyone for your valuable input !  

I've learnt a lot over the last few days from your comments.

[Edited 2006-08-18 19:45:32]


Graham Slingsby
User currently offlineLanas From Argentina, joined Aug 2006, 978 posts, RR: 13
Reply 21, posted (7 years 11 months 2 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 3961 times:

Quoting AussieAviator (Reply 17):
Lanas, I note you live in Argentina ? Is it at all possible to obtain some images of Argentinian Air Force and Navy (Armada) aircraft? In particular - the Mirage III ? I love Argentinian military aircraft

Yes, I live in Argentina. There must be some pics on this db. I haven´t checked, really. Have you? If not I can get you some from an Argentine aviation site. Just let me know.

Cheers!
Lanas.-



"Faithless is he that says farewell when the road darkens." J.R.R. Tolkien
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