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Categories. Still Unclear! Solution Please!  
User currently offlinePUnmuth@VIE From Austria, joined Aug 2000, 4163 posts, RR: 54
Posted (7 years 10 months 2 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 1930 times:

Hi all!
Recently in this thread
Category Question To Editors? (by PUnmuth@VIE Aug 11 2006 in Aviation Photography)
there was a question about small stickers answered by the editors that they fit into the Colorful paint category. The plane in question was this one.

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with the small 100 sticker at the front.
Now i get this one

rejected for category (amongst 3 aother reasons).
It was marked with the category Colorful and in reamrk to the screeners i explained why. And no those stickers are not on the whole fleet.
Is it possible thet the help text will finally be updated and all cre members be informed about how to handle those categories? It's been seven months now that the discussion about this issue started in
Categories "Special" And "Hybrid" (by Invader Jan 19 2006 in Aviation Photography)
and yet the help text are not updated nor is a link to the thread plcaed on the upload confirmation page to give people the correct information on which categories they have to select.
Or is the topic still under discussion????

[Edited 2006-08-30 12:58:42]


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User currently offlineJumboJim747 From Australia, joined Oct 2004, 2464 posts, RR: 45
Reply 1, posted (7 years 10 months 2 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 1918 times:
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Peter if we are to follow the rules that shot would defiantly be special paint.
Not sure why you got a rejection for it.
Why dont we go back to the days when a sticker or any small markings can be hybrid.?
Would it make more seance to have it like this ?
Cheers



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User currently offlineEDDL From Germany, joined Dec 2002, 738 posts, RR: 16
Reply 2, posted (7 years 10 months 2 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 1918 times:

Quoting PUnmuth@VIE (Thread starter):
Or is the topic still under discussion????

There's no discussion required. I have e-mailed our Chief Database Editor (Peter) after replying to your last thread. He's quite busy at the moment (always busy that is  Smile ) and this change (upload help text, ...) cannot be done in a few minutes. This category issue has a top priority, I also want this to be changed as soon as possible.

Phil / EDDL


User currently offlinePUnmuth@VIE From Austria, joined Aug 2000, 4163 posts, RR: 54
Reply 3, posted (7 years 10 months 2 weeks 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 1904 times:

Quoting EDDL (Reply 2):
I have e-mailed our Chief Database Editor

Thanks its appreciated very much but

Quoting EDDL (Reply 2):
He's quite busy at the moment (always busy that is)

why cant there just be the link to the thread containing all the information be placed on the upload confirmation page. This change would take about 3 minutes or so? And it would be an interim solution to make things clearer a bit.

Quoting JumboJim747 (Reply 1):
Why dont we go back to the days when a sticker or any small markings can be hybrid.?
Would it make more seance to have it like this ?

I think it would make much more sense than it is now but lets not get into this again. Its define otherwise now and we have to live with it when uplaoding BUT it should be lived all across the site  Wink



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User currently offlineEDDL From Germany, joined Dec 2002, 738 posts, RR: 16
Reply 4, posted (7 years 10 months 2 weeks 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 1887 times:

Just sent him a further e-mail and pointed to this thread here. That's all I can do now.  Smile

@Peter: living in France now? I am going to spend a day in VIE on Sept 23 ... so if you see four guys with a Sixt rental car you know who's in.  Wink

Phil / EDDL


User currently offlineRotate From Switzerland, joined Feb 2003, 1490 posts, RR: 16
Reply 5, posted (7 years 10 months 2 weeks 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 1879 times:

Why not put Special/Colourful and SpecialMarking/Hybrid together ??? Why is need for 2 different categories for nearly the same thing? I allways have problems to mark the right category .... , not to mention how many category rejects I had the recent years ....

Robin



ABC
User currently offlineCodeshare From Poland, joined Sep 2002, 1854 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (7 years 10 months 2 weeks 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 1859 times:

Adding to that when you click on the Cross Data search the catagories that are 'category' field do not match those that are checked while uploading.
This also needs to be solved.

KS/codeshare



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User currently offlineRotate From Switzerland, joined Feb 2003, 1490 posts, RR: 16
Reply 7, posted (7 years 10 months 2 weeks 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 1856 times:

Quoting Codeshare (Reply 6):
Adding to that when you click on the Cross Data search the catagories that are 'category' field do not match those that are checked while uploading.

Right! Exactly what I mean .... , why offer 2 category, which are available later after uplaod under 1 category. Why are we making things complicater than needed?

So, lets get rid of the 2 and frame it into 1 category.

Robin



ABC
User currently offlinePUnmuth@VIE From Austria, joined Aug 2000, 4163 posts, RR: 54
Reply 8, posted (7 years 10 months 2 weeks 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 1845 times:

Quoting Rotate (Reply 7):
which are available later after uplaod under 1 category

This is not the way it works:
There are still 2 categories after uploading:
Special on the confirmation page is COLORFUL_PAINT on cross data search.
Hybrid on the confirmation page is OTHER_PAINT on cross data search.

Quoting EDDL (Reply 4):
Just sent him a further e-mail and pointed to this thread here. That's all I can do now.

Thanks for doing so. Hopefully this will be solved soon!!!! And also communicated across all crew members what fits into which category.



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User currently offlineEDDL From Germany, joined Dec 2002, 738 posts, RR: 16
Reply 9, posted (7 years 10 months 2 weeks 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 1844 times:

Quoting Codeshare (Reply 6):
Adding to that when you click on the Cross Data search the catagories that are 'category' field do not match those that are checked while uploading.
This also needs to be solved.

Not sure what you mean. It's working over here.

Quoting PUnmuth@VIE (Reply 8):
There are still 2 categories after uploading:
Special on the confirmation page is COLORFUL_PAINT on cross data search.
Hybrid on the confirmation page is OTHER_PAINT on cross data search.

That's right.

Phil / EDDL


User currently offlinePtrjong From Netherlands, joined Mar 2005, 3901 posts, RR: 19
Reply 10, posted (7 years 10 months 2 weeks 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 1840 times:

Quoting Rotate (Reply 7):
Exactly what I mean

No, I don't think so Robin. There ARE two separate categories when searching in the database. Codeshare's point is that they have different names compared to the uploading screen, which adds to the confusion.

The question is of course, do the two separate categories make sense to the people who search in the database? Are they useful? And if you combined them, would that make sense to them and would it still be useful? I don't know the answer as I'm not into special liveries and only see these categories as an upload hindrance like yourself, but there may be another side to this.

Peter Smile



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User currently offlinePtrjong From Netherlands, joined Mar 2005, 3901 posts, RR: 19
Reply 11, posted (7 years 10 months 2 weeks 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 1838 times:

Quoting EDDL (Reply 9):
Not sure what you mean.

What Codeshare means is simply this:

Quoting PUnmuth@VIE (Reply 8):
Special on the confirmation page is COLORFUL_PAINT on cross data search.
Hybrid on the confirmation page is OTHER_PAINT on cross data search.

It's confusing.



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User currently offlineRotate From Switzerland, joined Feb 2003, 1490 posts, RR: 16
Reply 12, posted (7 years 10 months 2 weeks 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 1824 times:

Ok guys , you are right ! But this is only for Cross Data search. On the HP these 2 categories are framed under 1 category: "Special Paint Schemes".

Why is there need to have 2 categories for nearly the same ? Why do we make things complicater than they are ?

Robin



ABC
User currently offlineEDDL From Germany, joined Dec 2002, 738 posts, RR: 16
Reply 13, posted (7 years 10 months 2 weeks 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 1816 times:

Quoting Rotate (Reply 12):
On the HP these 2 categories are framed under 1 category: "Special Paint Schemes".

No, there is just a link for special paint schemes (COLORFUL_PAINT).

On the photo search page you can choose from both categories:
- Colorful paint schemes (COLORFUL_PAINT)
- Other special paint schemes (OTHER_PAINT)

Phil / EDDL


User currently offlineRotate From Switzerland, joined Feb 2003, 1490 posts, RR: 16
Reply 14, posted (7 years 10 months 2 weeks 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 1801 times:

Quoting EDDL (Reply 13):
No, there is just a link for special paint schemes (COLORFUL_PAINT).

On the photo search page you can choose from both categories:
- Colorful paint schemes (COLORFUL_PAINT)
- Other special paint schemes (OTHER_PAINT)

Well, thats exactly what I mean ....

Anyway, why do we need 2 categories for nearly the same ?

Robin



ABC
User currently offlinePUnmuth@VIE From Austria, joined Aug 2000, 4163 posts, RR: 54
Reply 15, posted (7 years 10 months 2 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 1794 times:

Quoting Rotate (Reply 14):
Anyway, why do we need 2 categories for nearly the same ?

This was all discussed extensively in
Categories "Special" And "Hybrid" (by Invader Jan 19 2006 in Aviation Photography)



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