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Picture Of Accident... Lack Of Respect?  
User currently offlineAlex22 From Switzerland, joined Jan 2005, 71 posts, RR: 4
Posted (8 years 3 months 1 week 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 4851 times:

Hello all,

I've just seen the top picture of yesterday...

http://www.airliners.net/open.file/1107079/L/

This picture of a fatal accident has been online only a few hours after it happened, so it means priority screening...
I have to say that I'm really shocked that A.net puts this picture online so fast. Can you imagine that probably many friends or family member of that pilot hadn't heard about this tragedy but the picture was already online...???

I want to know what you guys think about it because this is for me exactly the kind of attitude I don't wanna see among us photographers. I always wonder what I would do if I happen to witness an accident... One thing is sure I would never post the picture a few hours after the accident. And most probably I'll keep them for my personal collection.
Sorry, Alan, it's not a personal attack as I don't know you but I'd like to know what other photographers think about it and I'd like to have someone from A.net telling me why this pic got accepted just a few hours after the accident which is for me a big lack of respect !

Cheers,

Alex

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User currently offlineF4wso From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 974 posts, RR: 11
Reply 1, posted (8 years 3 months 1 week 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 4818 times:

I don't think there was any disrespects intended. It was posted for the newsworthyness just as it showed up quickly on on the local television stations. When a tragedy happens at a public event, it is impossible to keep it off of any media be it internet, print, or video. I commend Airliners.net for having the priority screening. It is one of the reasons this is a quality site.

Gary
Cottage Grove, MN, USA



Seeking an honest week's pay for an honest day's work
User currently offlineMcG1967 From UK - Scotland, joined Apr 2006, 517 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (8 years 3 months 1 week 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 4795 times:

If a photographer from one of the news picture agencies like Getty Images had taken this pic it would have been on the news wires available for all written and internet press to use for a fee within a short period of the event occurring.

User currently offlineEksath From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 1317 posts, RR: 25
Reply 3, posted (8 years 3 months 1 week 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 4761 times:
AIRLINERS.NET CREW
ARTICLE EDITOR

There is nothing wrong with the shot. It is of journalistic value. He and Airliners.net is doing nothing different than any news media. The shame is that the photographer is not going to be reimbursed for his image.

The lack of respect here is you starting this thread slamming him and airliners.net for their legitimate journalistic contribution to the aviation community. Grow up, buddy!



World Wide Aerospace Photography
User currently offlineQANTAS077 From Australia, joined Jan 2004, 5869 posts, RR: 39
Reply 4, posted (8 years 3 months 1 week 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 4735 times:

Quoting Eksath (Reply 3):
The lack of respect here is you starting this thread slamming him and airliners.net for their legitimate journalistic contribution to the aviation community. Grow up, buddy!

tell that to the pilots family...he's not insulting anyone, he asked for opinions and gave his...aswell as stating it wasn't personal..you just disrespected the thread with your pathetic reply!

i know working at NASA is a high pressure job...but don't hit "enter" without reading the initial post properly.

Quoting Eksath (Reply 3):
It is of journalistic value.

this isn't a newspaper or journalism site..it's a place for voyeurs and hobbyists.



a true friend is someone who sees the pain in your eyes, while everyone else believes the smile on your face.
User currently offlineMrk25 From United Kingdom, joined May 2005, 225 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (8 years 3 months 1 week 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 4728 times:

Quoting Eksath (Reply 3):
The shame is that the photographer is not going to be reimbursed for his image.

I can't believe I just read that, that's sad.


User currently offlineDacman From United States of America, joined Oct 2000, 444 posts, RR: 8
Reply 6, posted (8 years 3 months 1 week 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 4728 times:
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Better send this note to CNN and FOX, it would be a dogfight to see who could report on it first.

Michael
Dacman
LAX/LGB Local



"Airliner Photography is not a crime"
User currently offlineDendrobatid From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2004, 1690 posts, RR: 62
Reply 7, posted (8 years 3 months 1 week 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 4715 times:
AIRLINERS.NET CREW
HEAD SCREENER

Quoting Alex22 (Thread starter):
This picture of a fatal accident has been online only a few hours after it happened, so it means priority screening...
I have to say that I'm really shocked that A.net puts this picture online so fast. Can you imagine that probably many friends or family member of that pilot hadn't heard about this tragedy but the picture was already online...???

This is a real ethical dilemma, one that would not bother any journalist. It is news and journalists have a saying that old news is no news (a daughter is a journalist). If it had been my photo I would also have uploaded it, uploaded it with a heavy heart too though.

I can give a personal example of what the professional press would do.
As a Police Officer I was at the Police Station when a message came through of a plane crash and one of those killed was a very close friend, with one of the pilots well known to me. After I had composed myself I decided that I was the best person to tell the parents of my friend, a horrible, horrible task. Whilst I was at their house telling my friend's Father (his Mother was out) the phone rang and it was the Wife of the pilot. She had received a call from the Press asking for a comment about her husband's death. She replied that he was not dead - the Press had found her before the Police in another area had.

A photo on the internet is far less likely to alert the family of the deceased than a phone call from the local press. The date of this thread is rather ironic too. Remember five years ago today ? Could any of us understand the magnitude of what happened that day without those images

I would not put it quite as bluntly as Eksath, though the sentiments are the same. Death is an inevitable consequence of life, something we have to accept. That shot was not popular for no reason and I am certain that very few viewers did not feel sorrow.

Mick Bajcar


User currently offlineAlex22 From Switzerland, joined Jan 2005, 71 posts, RR: 4
Reply 8, posted (8 years 3 months 1 week 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 4694 times:

Mick,
Thank you for your answer, I see your point but...
For me A.net is not and should never be a news agency. And the difference is huge. If Allan sent his pic to news agencies that's ok. But we are, most of us, not professional and we're taking picture as an hobby. And please it's only a small accident, something that happens all the time. Newsworthiness ?? No it's not.

Quoting Eksath (Reply 3):
The lack of respect here is you starting this thread slamming him and airliners.net for their legitimate journalistic contribution to the aviation community. Grow up, buddy!

Now this is mature !!!

Quoting Eksath (Reply 3):
The shame is that the photographer is not going to be reimbursed for his image.


Are you serious ??? if yes it's really sad...

Alex


User currently offlineBigPhilNYC From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 4077 posts, RR: 54
Reply 9, posted (8 years 3 months 1 week 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 4690 times:

How is a photo on Anet any different from the video showed on the news? The same people that you claim would be upset by the Anet photo are watching VIDEO of it all over television.


Phil Derner Jr.
User currently offlineAcontador From Chile, joined Jul 2005, 1421 posts, RR: 30
Reply 10, posted (8 years 3 months 1 week 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 4682 times:
AIRLINERS.NET CREW
PHOTO SCREENER

Reading through this thread, I wonder what the real value of this picture is for A.net? The aircrafts involved are too far away (and very blurry), so the only "value" is the accident by itself.
Sorry guys, but I tend to agree with Alex that this picture (being of

Quoting Eksath (Reply 3):
of journalistic value

as Eksath says) was in my opinion posted on the wrong site at the wrong time, and the crew should have noticed that - no disrespect to anybodies opinion to the contrary.



Just sit back, relax and have a glass of Merlot...enjoy your life!
User currently offlineEksath From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 1317 posts, RR: 25
Reply 11, posted (8 years 3 months 1 week 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 4622 times:
AIRLINERS.NET CREW
ARTICLE EDITOR

Quoting Dendrobatid (Reply 7):
I would not put it quite as bluntly as Eksath, though the sentiments are the same. Death is an inevitable consequence of life, something we have to accept. That shot was not popular for no reason and I am certain that very few viewers did not feel sorrow.

Perhaps ..Mick put it better than I.

Speaking as someone with a great deal of time in aviation including the pilot seat, I can tell of numerous friends who have been lost or injured. These include combat and civilian loses. Also, I have had my share of white knuckle experiences from the left seat,right seat and the backseat. So when i speak, i do so as a person who has been there.

Look guys..i am not interested in a pissing contest but i think you guys need to rethink what the Internet means and what Airliners.net represents now.

This is what i mean:
1) the Internet is no longer a cosy little folksy utopian place to share happy news. Internet = Life (the good,bad and the ugly)

2) Airliners.net is no longer only (as one person put it) a-"..a place for voyeurs and hobbyists". If you have looked at the quality of the shots and the effort put in by her photographers, it easily surpasses mainstream media when it comes to photographically documenting aviation. There is content,audience and evolution by innovation here. If it hasnt happened to you, ask around the photographers here how many times they have been approached my traditional media for use/purchase of their pics.

I stand by my original statement.

Quoting QANTAS077 (Reply 4):
i know working at NASA is a high pressure job...but don't hit "enter" without reading the initial post properly.

..and I have no idea where this fits into the purpose of the thread. So I am left  confused  espeically since I am NOT employed by NASA. For the record most Space Program workers are employed by private contractors.



World Wide Aerospace Photography
User currently offlineAero145 From Iceland, joined Jan 2005, 3071 posts, RR: 18
Reply 12, posted (8 years 3 months 1 week 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 4610 times:

Quoting Acontador (Reply 10):
Reading through this thread, I wonder what the real value of this picture is for A.net? The aircrafts involved are too far away (and very blurry), so the only "value" is the accident by itself.
Sorry guys, but I tend to agree with Alex that this picture (being of

Quoting Eksath (Reply 3):of journalistic value
as Eksath says) was in my opinion posted on the wrong site at the wrong time, and the crew should have noticed that - no disrespect to anybodies opinion to the contrary.

I agree with this, and the thread starter.

I'm not saying this is a bad photo, bot IMO it's not a photo that belongs here on A.net:

The people are in focus.
What you see are 3 Extra 300's, one in the sea, one just splashed, and one going to be splashed, and one man in a parachute - everything out of focus.

This is a fine photo for the newspaper/press/news agency, but as I said, not for A.net.

If people find that I'm being rude to the photographer (which actually is amazing to have photographed instead of gasping and looking with his eyes, not into a lens), please delete my post.

R.I.P. Extra 300 pilots.  tombstone 


Aero145


User currently offlineAlex22 From Switzerland, joined Jan 2005, 71 posts, RR: 4
Reply 13, posted (8 years 3 months 1 week 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 4610 times:

Quoting Eksath (Reply 11):
Airliners.net is no longer only (as one person put it) a-"..a place for voyeurs and hobbyists". If you have looked at the quality of the shots and the effort put in by her photographers

Yes I agree but where is the quality on that particular shot ?

Quoting Eksath (Reply 11):
If it hasnt happened to you, ask around the photographers here how many times they have been approached my traditional media for use/purchase of their pics.

Happened to me quiet a few times but also got many pics stollen from the "traditionnal" media...

Quoting Dendrobatid (Reply 7):
That shot was not popular for no reason and I am certain that very few viewers did not feel sorrow.

Not so sure when you read some of the comments under that shot.... (The pilot is flying! Excellent shot!!! been my "favorite"... Sad )

Anyway... I just was looking for some thoughts so thank you all for your answers.


User currently offlineBrianW999 From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2003, 312 posts, RR: 5
Reply 14, posted (8 years 3 months 1 week 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 4519 times:

Many differing opinions in answer to the original well phrased and polite post......


......except for

Quoting Eksath (Reply 3):
The lack of respect here is you starting this thread slamming him and airliners.net for their legitimate journalistic contribution to the aviation community. Grow up, buddy!

The following appears in the reply window......No hostile language or criticizing of others......

Try engaging brain before hitting the "Post the message" button.

Oh, and for the record. My personal stance on this is that such a picture involving a fatality is not for Anet. It should have gone to the newsagency arena if the photographer felt a need to post anywhere.
As a paramedic I tend not to have much respect for the press anyway. They have a bad habit of not letting the truth or peoples feelings get in the way of a good story.

[Edited 2006-09-11 19:37:19]

User currently onlineThierryD From Luxembourg, joined Dec 2005, 2081 posts, RR: 51
Reply 15, posted (8 years 3 months 1 week 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 4519 times:
AIRLINERS.NET CREW
HEAD SUPPORT

Quoting Alex22 (Thread starter):
Can you imagine that probably many friends or family member of that pilot hadn't heard about this tragedy but the picture was already online...???

Yep, a very unpleasant thought...!

Quoting McG1967 (Reply 2):
If a photographer from one of the news picture agencies like Getty Images had taken this pic it would have been on the news wires available for all written and internet press to use for a fee within a short period of the event occurring.

Yeah, because some people would just about publish anything only to earn some bucks and thus profiting from the tragedy of others! That is a very poor attitude!

Quoting F4wso (Reply 1):
When a tragedy happens at a public event, it is impossible to keep it off of any media be it internet, print, or video.



Quoting Eksath (Reply 3):
He and Airliners.net is doing nothing different than any news media.

That does not mean we have to compete with those media trying to be the first to publish any news!

Quoting Eksath (Reply 3):
It is of journalistic value.

Sure if you're a gossip fan!  Yeah sure

Quoting Dendrobatid (Reply 7):
That shot was not popular for no reason and I am certain that very few viewers did not feel sorrow.

Well, Mick as a former Police Officer you certainly also know that people are always fascinated by the tragedies of others; that's why the photo got so many views. It's like the people who stand around the scene of a road accident; though they are of no help at all they all stand there looking and encumber the rescue guys.

Quoting Acontador (Reply 10):
Reading through this thread, I wonder what the real value of this picture is for A.net? The aircrafts involved are too far away (and very blurry), so the only "value" is the accident by itself.



Quoting Acontador (Reply 10):
this picture ... was in my opinion posted on the wrong site at the wrong time, and the crew should have noticed that

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This all reminds me of a certain ERJ-145 shot we had in the db not so long ago; some hasty screener gave it a quick addition without giving it a second thought. But this time it's not just some more or less well done cloning but a picture of an aircraft where you bascially got no aircraft as main subject and all this only to be among the first to picture the tragic loss of a pilot.

Very poor decision on this one!  no 

Thierry



"Go ahead...make my day"
User currently offlineGerardo From Spain, joined May 2000, 3481 posts, RR: 30
Reply 16, posted (8 years 3 months 1 week 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 4482 times:

Five minutes of fame at the cost of disrespecting the pilot and his family.

Should the photo have been accepted, if there were no fatalities? Has it really been accepted, just because it was an accident? Way to go ....

Gerardo



dominguez(dash)online(dot)ch ... Pushing the limits of my equipment
User currently offlineIngemarE From Sweden, joined Mar 2005, 285 posts, RR: 5
Reply 17, posted (8 years 3 months 1 week 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 4446 times:

My feeling is that this picture should never have reached A-net.
Why?
First off; It's only "perk" is that it's sensationalistic. It "only" shows the death of a fellow aviator. (One that I happen to have met a few times and seen fly countless times.)
Other than that it lacks everything what is otherwise demanded of pic's uploaded to the DB. It's blurry, its focus is all wrong,...not to mention distance.
But what really bugged me was the fact that his name was mentioned. Absolutely no need for that.
While news-rags in Sweden kept themselves in check and refrained from mentioning his name out of compassion for those of his family and closest friends that hadn't yet gotten the sad news, A-net had it in the DB for everyone to see and read.
I just hope that none of his friends or relatives got the bad news due to this, because that is one of the worst things that can happen. I've experienced it myself first hand 20 years ago when my best friend lost his life at Trollveggen, and I don't wish that to happen to anyone.

Airliners a news-media!?! Get out of here!!!
A-net is, and should keep itself to being, a great web-site for aviation enthusiasts, focusing on pictures, forum-discussions, trip-reports and that kind of stuff.



In thrust I trust.
User currently offline9VSPO From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (8 years 3 months 1 week 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 4393 times:

Quoting Gerardo (Reply 16):
Five minutes of fame at the cost of disrespecting the pilot and his family.

So if that's your view then the jets hitting the twin towers should never have been filmed.


User currently offlineAirMalta From Malta, joined Mar 2006, 394 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (8 years 3 months 1 week 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 4378 times:

Since Alan is not in the forum he is a friend of mine and he sent me this sms he did not tell me to post it but I am doing this anyway:

''Hi Malcolm.Believe me.With every minute that passes I am not proud of that photo''
If you tell me so why he left the photo there?

I tell you that I was one of those who encouraged him to leave the pict there and that there is no disrespect in the picture itself!Altough I agree to most of the opinions here like if family was notified or not!!Sometime or another they have to face the truth the person is not coming back for sure so for me its useless to say that.
On the other hand I can see a disrespect if there was silly comments written in the picture.
If you tell me if shots like this should be uploaded or not on a.net I tell you why not?There are photos of planes involved in an accident and that photo is purely showing a real accident in action a positive aspect is that it is showing the pilot of N22JW ejecting so whilst we are taking the negative aspect of the photo there is also a postive one in it!!But seems that everyone in the world looks at the negative aspect!!
I did not put any quotes here so that nobody takes this on a personal basis!!

All d best 2U
Malcolm Bezzina
Malta Wink


User currently offlineKukkudrill From Malta, joined Dec 2004, 1123 posts, RR: 4
Reply 20, posted (8 years 3 months 1 week 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 4334 times:

Dear all,

To follow on from Malcolm's post, I have just received the message below by e-mail from Alan Cordina (the photographer) who asked me to post it on his behalf.

Charles

_________________

Good Day everyone on this thread. I am the photographer of this photo and I wish to say something that may probably come as a surprise to many. First of all I wish to state that I am still sorrowful, disturbed, and feeling down and low (heavy heart I think you call it), by what I witnessed, even more so, when later I was seeing photos of Gabor Varga in older photos on a.net in happier times, saluting the crowds etc etc I just could not look any more ! I also promise that I would not have / will not accept any money (whatever the amount) for a photo showing that tragic moment involving a human being. I have other photos of the aircraft (day before accident) flying only metres away from me, close up with the pilot's face easily recognisable, which even today more than 24 hours after the incident, I could not bring myself to work on (photoshop) as I was still feeling very sad. In fact I want to conclude by answering the original question on this thread : I will never blame a.net for accepting this photo, in my opinion they did nothing wrong, I will even say that they should have / obliged to accept this photo for sharing with 40,000 viewers in 24 hours, (!) but, I should not have uploaded the photo, and afterwards I was and still am sorry that I did. I am not proud of it. May I give my condolences to Gabor Varga's family and friends, and may he rest in peace. I will eventually upload photos of Gabor during his excellent and breathtaking aerobatics as a tribute. And that is what I should have uploaded from the begining and not of him dead in the floating wreckage. On the other hand I cannot really blame the screener at a.net, as he may have perhaps looked at the journalistic value, so I say both sets of opinions may be right, although I will always wish I never uploaded this photo. Alan Cordina.



Make the most of the available light ... a lesson of photography that applies to life
User currently offlineQANTAS077 From Australia, joined Jan 2004, 5869 posts, RR: 39
Reply 21, posted (8 years 3 months 1 week 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 4274 times:

who's he trying to convince?


a true friend is someone who sees the pain in your eyes, while everyone else believes the smile on your face.
User currently offlineTS From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 22, posted (8 years 3 months 1 week 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 4272 times:

I'm surprised by the number of negative reactions on this photo. This is an aviation site, & accidents unfortunately do happen in aviation as well. There's nothing wrong with this photo, & I don't see anything disrespectful here.

Quoting Alex22 (Thread starter):
Can you imagine that probably many friends or family member of that pilot hadn't heard about this tragedy but the picture was already online...???

That's the same with TV news. It's sad, yes, but why should information about an accident be withheld?

Quoting Alex22 (Reply 8):
If Allan sent his pic to news agencies that's ok. But we are, most of us, not professional and we're taking picture as an hobby.

I don't see the point. A photo is a photo.

Quoting Alex22 (Reply 13):
Yes I agree but where is the quality on that particular shot ?

It's high quality because it's a photo of an incident.

Quoting BrianW999 (Reply 14):
As a paramedic I tend not to have much respect for the press anyway. They have a bad habit of not letting the truth or peoples feelings get in the way of a good story.

I'm sure there are paramedics who do a good job & some who don't quite do such a good job. It's the same with "the press." No need for prejudice.

Quoting ThierryD (Reply 15):
Yeah, because some people would just about publish anything only to earn some bucks and thus profiting from the tragedy of others! That is a very poor attitude!

That statement makes about the same sense as telling a trauma surgeon that he makes his money by exploiting people's mysery. Some people do reporting for a living, & unfortunately accidents are part of this.

Quoting IngemarE (Reply 17):
It's blurry, its focus is all wrong,...not to mention distance.

The normal rules shouldn't be applied to photos like this.

Quoting IngemarE (Reply 17):
But what really bugged me was the fact that his name was mentioned.

I see your point. That wasn't necessary, but in countries like the US it's not unusual to give victims' names.

Thomas


User currently offlineRyan h From Australia, joined Aug 2001, 1575 posts, RR: 1
Reply 23, posted (8 years 3 months 1 week 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 4204 times:

I don;t think it is disrespectful to have the photo on a.net.

It is a one in a million shot.



South Australian Spotter
User currently offlineAirMalta From Malta, joined Mar 2006, 394 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (8 years 3 months 1 week 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 4157 times:

If the pict of Alan should never be uploaded what about the below then?Its still showing an accident!!I only linked few pics of the many around!!With all respect to their respective photographers.
Malcolm

http://www.airliners.net/open.file/1087551/M/

http://www.airliners.net/open.file/0527166/M/

http://www.airliners.net/open.file/0501416/M/

http://www.airliners.net/open.file/0267741/M/


25 Senorcarnival : Did you bother to read the comments from the photog on this one? Probably not. Go check it out...
26 Alex22 : Air Malta..., The difference is that none of those pics were uploaded 3-4 hours after the accident... and with priority screening. Other difference I
27 StealthZ : Malcom, With all due respect, 2 of your llinked shots are of a non fatal accident and a third one is a purposefully staged motion picture stunt. The f
28 Post contains images PUnmuth@VIE : Can't see any slamming and lack of respect in the thread starters question. He wanted to here opinions nothing else. That's lack of respect
29 QANTAS077 : if alan has such a problem why doesn't he just ask for the pic to be removed?
30 QANTAS077 : that's drawing a long bow...
31 Post contains images ThierryD : Why SHOULD they be published at any price!!?! You don't really believe what you're writing, do you!!?! A surgeon tries to save lives and he's being p
32 Post contains images Ghostbase : An interesting thread and thanks to Alex for asking the question. Those of us who regularly attend public aviation events as (amateur) photographers a
33 CHabu : The only thing that bothers me, is the fact that the photo isn't sharp enough to see the details. IMHO, the photo should have been rejected because it
34 AirMalta : Hi all I am posting this obo Alan Cordina : Good day to all. its me again, Alan (photographer of this photo). I promised myself, and as I always do, I
35 QANTAS077 : question is valid...who are you trying to convince? you'd have been better off saying nothing! you can always email admin here and ask for the photo
36 Post contains images Eksath : well....How long before the video is on youtube..if not already?
37 AirMalta : In action!!Its extra rare to see that in real!! Malcolm
38 Post contains images DC10Tim : I confess I haven't read all of this thread as it's way past bedtime. However: Touche Mick I think in a situation like this the ethical dilemma would
39 QANTAS077 : nothing...it's a fair question! don't like my opinion then challenge it, if you can't do that then go to bed.
40 CalgaryBill : Personally - and I recognize that morals are a matter of personal choice - I would not have uploaded the photo. Once the family's emotions have wound
41 DC10Tim : Oh I'm not afraid of challenging our opinion, I just don't think the attitude is necessary. Regards having the photo deleted, what's the point now ev
42 Sulman : Some people enjoy a soapbox.
43 Post contains links and images AirMalta : http://www.di-ve.com/dive/portal/portal.jhtml?id=247544&pid=23 http://gallery.di-ve.com/air%20tragedy/air_tragedy/index.html http://www.timesofmalta.c
44 TS : Oh yeah? How do you know? Thomas
45 AirMalta : Probably you may read 4 local newspapers and they will talk about the same thing but then you see that they are not talking of the same thing!! malc
46 Post contains links AirMalta : http://www.jetphotos.net/viewphoto.php?id=5812305 Hi see the above picture while I was surfing found this very emotional photo when the pilot waved fo
47 TACAA320 : For the standards required by A.net, I think that the quality of the pic don't reach at all such levels. BTW I agree with the start thread that this
48 Gerardo : Perhaps some friend af Alan is kind enough to pass him the following message: Alan wrote: To make a long story short: I am the screener mentioned abov
49 BrianW999 : I don't know how Air Malta knows but I know how I know ! Going off-topic for a short while just to give one example..... .....I went to a road traffi
50 AirMalta : how do I know? For eg one of the local news paper reported that the pilot(Varga) was rushed to hospital in Intensive care. Varga was never taken to h
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