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User currently offlineGuido From Belgium, joined Sep 2001, 47 posts, RR: 0
Posted (8 years 3 months 2 weeks 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 3118 times:

Unfortunate rejection but these shots are much nicer than side shots.
I find it hard to understand the screening proces on these creative shots.


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User currently offlineINNflight From Switzerland, joined Apr 2004, 3767 posts, RR: 59
Reply 1, posted (8 years 3 months 2 weeks 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 3108 times:

Quoting Guido (Thread starter):
Unfortunate rejection but these shots are much nicer than side shots.

I don't think it's down to side-shots vs. creative one's.

What did you get the photo rejected for? I like it.



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User currently offlineGuido From Belgium, joined Sep 2001, 47 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (8 years 3 months 2 weeks 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 3105 times:

Quality, blurry and motive.. so no reload possible to avoid a ban.

User currently offlineAcontador From Chile, joined Jul 2005, 1421 posts, RR: 30
Reply 3, posted (8 years 3 months 2 weeks 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 3103 times:
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Hi Guido,

I don't know about motive, but the instrument panel is slightly blurry - sorry man, since it's really a nice and interesting picture!



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User currently offlineChrisH From Sweden, joined Jul 2004, 1136 posts, RR: 16
Reply 4, posted (8 years 3 months 2 weeks 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 3096 times:

far less sharp cockpits make it in on a daily basis nearly... lovely shot, thanks for showing it anyways, something else than Iberia for once  Wink


what seems to be the officer, problem?
User currently offlineINNflight From Switzerland, joined Apr 2004, 3767 posts, RR: 59
Reply 5, posted (8 years 3 months 2 weeks 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 3090 times:

Quoting Guido (Reply 2):
Quality, blurry and motive

I have to admit I can see where you are coming from then. Don't agree with all three reasons.

I could only see the possible noa_motiv > shoulders.

Otherwise, nice shot.



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User currently offlineJavibi From Spain, joined Oct 2004, 1371 posts, RR: 41
Reply 6, posted (8 years 3 months 2 weeks 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 3076 times:

Quoting INNflight (Reply 5):
I could only see the possible noa_motiv > shoulders.

Otherwise, nice shot.

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Quoting ChrisH (Reply 4):
something else than Iberia for once

Yeah, right  Wink

j



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User currently offlinePUnmuth@VIE From Austria, joined Aug 2000, 4163 posts, RR: 54
Reply 7, posted (8 years 3 months 2 weeks 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 3076 times:

Great photo!
/irony on
Maybe the blury was related to the runway lights. Next time try to get them sharp.
/irony off



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User currently offlineGuido From Belgium, joined Sep 2001, 47 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (8 years 3 months 2 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 2991 times:

It must remain technically possible.
Screeners should try to take in account this technical aspect of the photo.

This is not a sunshine side-shot. It's living on the edge with your camera.
You are in pure darkness and flash is not allowed.
You take low iso and 0.5sec exposure time.

I do understand the motive-rule for pilots in view but i cropped to avoid the heads.
I strongly believe in cockpit-shots with crew visible from the back.
I can find lots of these so who can help me with exact rules.

Photoshop can do a lot but this photo was only changed by contrast and noise reduction.

I consider myself lucky to have such shots coming straight out of my camera.
It makes a nice background on my screen.
And i saw it in reality which makes it even a better experience.


User currently offlineThierryD From Luxembourg, joined Dec 2005, 2081 posts, RR: 51
Reply 9, posted (8 years 3 months 2 weeks 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 2967 times:
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You gotta be kidding...
Blurry? Numbers on the main panel are clearly visible!!
Quality? Just great for a shot taken under those conditions!
Motive? Can't see any problem (shoulders do not distract a single bit from the motive!)
Sorry for getting a little personal now, but how many of the screeners actually tried shots like those and succeeded in nearly that quality!?
And just as a little reminder; I'm sure Javier won't mind the comparison  Wink ?:

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In what regard as to the 3 mentionned criteria is Javier's shot any better? --> more blurriness, quality equal and 2 complete pilots in the shot!
No disrespect here for Javier and his shot; I believe it belongs in the A.net db but Guido's shot surely does as well!  yes 

Thierry



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User currently offlineTimdeGroot From Netherlands, joined Apr 2002, 3674 posts, RR: 64
Reply 10, posted (8 years 3 months 2 weeks 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 2957 times:
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IMO it would have been better if it was either more closely cropped to the bottom, or a wider shot showing more of the cockpit (like javier does) and not just the two shoulders. If you can do this I'm sure it will stand a better chance.

Quoting INNflight (Reply 1):
don't think it's down to side-shots vs. creative one's.

Also agree very much with this. Even though I really like these shots I don't really think they are "creative", not more anyway than a regular cockpit shot.

Quoting ThierryD (Reply 11):
Sorry for getting a little personal now, but how many of the screeners actually tried shots like those and succeeded in nearly that quality!?

Not sure what that has to do with anything. As screeners we have to take every type of shot imaginable now to be a fair judge? In that case some people would never have rejection because they have unique oportunities.

Willing to do an edit for you guido and see what I come up with.

Tim



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User currently offlineJavibi From Spain, joined Oct 2004, 1371 posts, RR: 41
Reply 11, posted (8 years 3 months 2 weeks 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 2953 times:

Quoting ThierryD (Reply 11):
I'm sure Javier won't mind the comparison

Indeed I do not mind  Smile

Quoting ThierryD (Reply 11):
In what regard as to the 3 mentioned criteria is Javier's shot any better?

Well, it is MY shot  Wink

Cheers

j



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User currently offlineWalter2222 From Belgium, joined Sep 2005, 1303 posts, RR: 28
Reply 12, posted (8 years 3 months 2 weeks 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 2934 times:

Quoting TimdeGroot (Reply 13):
IMO it would have been better if it was either more closely cropped to the bottom, or a wider shot showing more of the cockpit (like javier does) and not just the two shoulders. If you can do this I'm sure it will stand a better chance.

I completely agree with this, although the left shoulder looks a bit strange to me (it looks like the pilot was bending over to the left to make room for the photographer...just a wild guess from me). Therefor, I would also try with a much smaller crop (i.e. leaving the shoulders completely out of the shot).

But still, I like this shot very much! Also the one from Javier! It still puzzles me how one stabilizes the camera during night time with such long exposures...  eyepopping   confused 

Best regards,

Walter



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User currently offlineThierryD From Luxembourg, joined Dec 2005, 2081 posts, RR: 51
Reply 13, posted (8 years 3 months 2 weeks 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 2934 times:
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Quoting TimdeGroot (Reply 13):
Not sure what that has to do with anything. As screeners we have to take every type of shot imaginable now to be a fair judge? In that case some people would never have rejection because they have unique oportunities.

No Tim, you don't have to; that would take you screeners far too much time that you wouldn't spend screening our shots  Wink
But I think it helps to understand how difficult it is to take nearly as good a shot and I believe - but that's just me  Wink - that such shots, if uploaded, should get an immediate accept without such far-fetched rejections like blurry and quality; and as for the motive, well that's a subjective matter anyway and should not stand in the way of such a great shot!

Thierry



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User currently offlineJavibi From Spain, joined Oct 2004, 1371 posts, RR: 41
Reply 14, posted (8 years 3 months 2 weeks 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 2926 times:

Quoting Walter2222 (Reply 15):
It still puzzles me how one stabilizes the camera during night time with such long exposures...

Just do not tell anybody  Wink
www.manfrotto.com/Jahia/site/manfrotto/pid/2805

j



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User currently offlineThowman From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2004, 363 posts, RR: 3
Reply 15, posted (8 years 3 months 2 weeks 3 days ago) and read 2910 times:

Quoting Javibi (Reply 17):
Just do not tell anybody
www.manfrotto.com/Jahia/site/manfrotto/pid/2805

j

I am surprised you can get that through security, Javibi? I have had such hassle with my tripod, it always goes in as hold luggage.

Saludos

Andy


User currently offlineThierryD From Luxembourg, joined Dec 2005, 2081 posts, RR: 51
Reply 16, posted (8 years 3 months 2 weeks 3 days ago) and read 2906 times:
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Quoting Thowman (Reply 18):
I am surprised you can get that through security, Javibi?

Guess it helps if you're travelling in one of the 2 forwardmost seats (and I don't mean First class!)!  Wink

Thierry



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User currently offlineMario340 From Germany, joined Apr 2004, 114 posts, RR: 5
Reply 17, posted (8 years 3 months 2 weeks 3 days ago) and read 2902 times:

Also some seats in the rear part of the cabin are possible. And I don't mean Economy class...  

Btw, I also think it's a good shot.

Mario

[Edited 2006-09-12 23:19:06]


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User currently offlineJavibi From Spain, joined Oct 2004, 1371 posts, RR: 41
Reply 18, posted (8 years 3 months 2 weeks 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 2867 times:

Quoting ThierryD (Reply 19):
Guess it helps if you're travelling in one of the 2 forwardmost seats

Not always, in some countries it just makes you more suspicious, this is a strange world we live in...

Quoting Thowman (Reply 18):
I am surprised you can get that through security

In some flights I do not even bother to take that with me; just try to explain someone in a security control in the States that the thing is only for photography, they'd probably put you in jail before you can open your mouth  Yeah sure

Cheers

j



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User currently offlineCHabu From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (8 years 3 months 2 weeks 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 2854 times:

Hiya Guy,

Well, i'm glad you uploaded it onto MyAviation, so we can all see this photo.

Great shot, it's their loss...  Wink

Chris.


User currently offlineMirrodie From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 7444 posts, RR: 62
Reply 20, posted (8 years 3 months 2 weeks 2 days ago) and read 2794 times:
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Quoting Acontador (Reply 3):
but the instrument panel is slightly blurry

Nah, as stated, I read numbers on that instrument board. its clear enough and its a great photo. thank you for sharing!



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User currently offlineThierryD From Luxembourg, joined Dec 2005, 2081 posts, RR: 51
Reply 21, posted (8 years 3 months 2 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 2777 times:
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Quoting Javibi (Reply 21):
Not always, in some countries it just makes you more suspicious, this is a strange world we live in...

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I know a funny story about that but it would take too long to write it down now; maybe some other time.
Btw: a Spanish guy was involved  Wink

Thierry



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User currently offlineGuido From Belgium, joined Sep 2001, 47 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (8 years 3 months 2 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 2763 times:

Other question about motive rejection/ban.

I have shots 30 seconds before and 30 seconds after.
Can you be banned for trying to upload 1 of those ?
I don't want a ban because of uploading a shot similar as this one that got a motive rejection.
Any screener who can help me out of that ?

Thks


User currently offlineThierryD From Luxembourg, joined Dec 2005, 2081 posts, RR: 51
Reply 23, posted (8 years 3 months 2 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 2717 times:
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Quoting Guido (Reply 22):
Can you be banned for trying to upload 1 of those ?

Nope! Your first shot wasn't accepted so why should you be banned trying to upload another one of the same sequence. I did that already several times; no risk involved!
Good luck with it!

Thierry



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User currently offlineRuudOnline From Netherlands, joined Feb 2006, 82 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (8 years 3 months 2 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 2709 times:

Nice shot Guido,

Pity that it is not added to the db.  grumpy 

Ruud


User currently offlineDcrusafon From Spain, joined Apr 2004, 333 posts, RR: 2
Reply 25, posted (8 years 3 months 2 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 2671 times:

Quoting Javibi (Reply 18):
In some flights I do not even bother to take that with me; just try to explain someone in a security control in the States that the thing is only for photography, they'd probably put you in jail before you can open your mouth

You don't have to go too far away to have this kind of problem Big grin
Try STR with your tripood...and see what they tell you in security  Smile

Quoting Javibi (Reply 14):
Just do not tell anybody
www.manfrotto.com/Jahia/site/manfrot.../2805

Here it is: Manfrotto Magic Arm working in a 737 cockpit  Smile

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Sometimes it helps me...
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Quoting Guido (Reply 22):
Can you be banned for trying to upload 1 of those ?
I don't want a ban because of uploading a shot similar as this one that got a motive rejection.
Any screener who can help me out of that ?

Don't worry about that. I have upload a different pic from same sequence and hadn't any problem.

Bgrds,

DARIO


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