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User currently offlineAvro85 From Belgium, joined Jun 2005, 236 posts, RR: 2
Posted (8 years 2 months 3 weeks 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 5537 times:

Can someone point me out how I could improve the quality of this shot ? IT was rejected for quality ?

http://www.airliners.net/addphotos/r...ections/big/20060926_LN-RCT_01.jpg

Thanks all

Chris
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User currently offlineLasham From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2005, 226 posts, RR: 17
Reply 1, posted (8 years 2 months 3 weeks 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 5526 times:
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Quoting Avro85 (Thread starter):

First time I have seen this shot. Looks like the front of the aircraft is blurry/soft. One extra note is the crop is a bit odd.

Tony



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User currently offlineBubbles From Canada, joined Apr 2005, 1196 posts, RR: 51
Reply 2, posted (8 years 2 months 3 weeks 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 5526 times:
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Hi Chris

I think the quality rejection may come from the fact that the image looks grainy (especially the sky), and the plane appears to be soft somewhat. I know there is only a silhouette of the plane, but the edge of it gives me an impression that it is slightly soft.

The problem of being soft is easy to fix. But the grainy sky might not be easy.

Anyway, it is still a lovely sunset shot.  Smile

_Hongyin_


User currently offlineAvro85 From Belgium, joined Jun 2005, 236 posts, RR: 2
Reply 3, posted (8 years 2 months 3 weeks 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 5516 times:

Allright thanks for the comments so far. I'll try to improve the picture.

Quoting Lasham (Reply 1):
One extra note is the crop is a bit odd.

Could you explain why you think the crop is odd ? Could it warrant a motiv rejection?

Chris


User currently offlineDiezel From Netherlands, joined Oct 2002, 646 posts, RR: 11
Reply 4, posted (8 years 2 months 3 weeks 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 5508 times:

Quoting Bubbles (Reply 2):
The problem of being soft is easy to fix. But the grainy sky might not be easy.

I'm not sure of that. I think the grain is in this case easy to fix and the softness rather tricky to fix.

I am almost afraid to name the N-word in this forum but in this case it would be a good idea to get Neatimage out of the (locked) safe. It will reduce that grain to zero without doing a lot of harm to the rest of the image. That is because the grainy area is isolated in the left upper corner and can be sampled by Neatimage very well so it can adjust to that specific area and do its job.

When fixing the softness, be careful not to introduce halo's as you are working with pretty strong contrast.

I personally would crop a lot tighter, with the sun in the upper right corner and the wing tips almost touching the left and right edge of the picture. But I guess that is just a matter of taste.

Roel.



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User currently offlinePtrjong From Netherlands, joined Mar 2005, 4005 posts, RR: 18
Reply 5, posted (8 years 2 months 3 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 5497 times:

Quoting Avro85 (Reply 3):
Could you explain why you think the crop is odd ? Could it warrant a motiv rejection?

I think the aircraft is too high in the frame considering that the dark bottom isn't of interest. I'm not sure if I'd crop tightly around the wingtips - that does nothing for the quality, too - but I would make the space at the left and right more or less equal. Currently, the space at the left is much wider.
This crop didn't strike me as odd immediately but I do think it will look a lot better with the aircraft lower and horizontally centered in the frame.

Peter Smile



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User currently offlineLasham From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2005, 226 posts, RR: 17
Reply 6, posted (8 years 2 months 3 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 5491 times:
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Quoting Avro85 (Reply 3):
Could you explain why you think the crop is odd ? Could it warrant a motiv rejection?

Might get a distance reject.

A crop will get rid of the nasty dark left side of the shot

Tony



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User currently offlineAvro85 From Belgium, joined Jun 2005, 236 posts, RR: 2
Reply 7, posted (8 years 2 months 3 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 5488 times:

Thanks for the tips Peter.

I can put the aircraft lower in the frame that's no issue. But for the horizontal centering I had a motivation to keep space on the left as well.

In fact I wanted to show the old airport building of Brussels on the photo as well since the silhouette is nicely visible....

Will try several crops

Chris

EDIT: Thanks for the very usueful tip Tony  Smile

[Edited 2006-09-26 17:58:42]

User currently offlineAvsfan From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 250 posts, RR: 2
Reply 8, posted (8 years 2 months 3 weeks 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 5457 times:

Chris,

I would say that you have a very awesome looking photo there. I would agree with everything that has already been said. If you can get all of the minor problems fixed, then you should have a good shot at getting it added to the database.

Lasham...I commend you for your responses in this thread. You are the only screener lately that I have seen provide inputs on how to correct problems with rejected photos. Maybe some of the other screeners and regulars to the forums will take note and look at changing their ways.



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User currently offlineAvro85 From Belgium, joined Jun 2005, 236 posts, RR: 2
Reply 9, posted (8 years 2 months 3 weeks 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 5442 times:

Quoting Avsfan (Reply 8):
I would say that you have a very awesome looking photo there

Thanks  goodvibes 

Here's a link to the second edit. I tried to keep in mind the comments made i.e. I removed some noise in the sky, I tried to sharpen the plane a little bit more and to re-crop the picture.

All comments are welcome (bad or good  Wink )

http://www.airliners.net/addphotos/big/ready/LN-RCT_02.jpg

Chris


User currently offlineBottie From Belgium, joined May 2004, 281 posts, RR: 8
Reply 10, posted (8 years 2 months 3 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 5431 times:

I think the plane is a little soft, Chris

User currently offlineD L X From United States of America, joined May 1999, 11571 posts, RR: 52
Reply 11, posted (8 years 2 months 3 weeks 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 5408 times:

You shot this in JPG mode didn't you? You also shot it with the "Sharp" developing preset, didn't you? Then you resized it down on your computer. Right? YOu might have even added a little USM before uploading it.

The problem is, you've overworked the image. I'd try this: if you're going to shoot in JPG mode, turn your development to VIVID or none. Don't use SHARP, because the D70's in-camera sharpening seems to oversharpen with the expectation that you're not going to crop and scale much. So, turn the in-camera sharpening off. Then do the sharpening in software AFTER you've resized it, fixed the colors, adjusted the levels, etc. That will dramatically improve your shots.



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User currently offlineLasham From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2005, 226 posts, RR: 17
Reply 12, posted (8 years 2 months 3 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 5393 times:
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Quoting Avro85 (Reply 9):
I tried to sharpen the plane a little bit more

Like the crop now, but the front of the aircraft is still soft. If it was blurry to start with then you will never get it looking good, even with loads of PS!

Tony



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User currently offlineAvro85 From Belgium, joined Jun 2005, 236 posts, RR: 2
Reply 13, posted (8 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 5347 times:

Sorry for the late reply but I wasn't online yesterday...

Quoting D L X (Reply 11):
You shot this in JPG mode didn't you? You also shot it with the "Sharp" developing preset, didn't you? Then you resized it down on your computer. Right? YOu might have even added a little USM before uploading it.

The problem is, you've overworked the image. I'd try this: if you're going to shoot in JPG mode, turn your development to VIVID or none. Don't use SHARP, because the D70's in-camera sharpening seems to oversharpen with the expectation that you're not going to crop and scale much. So, turn the in-camera sharpening off. Then do the sharpening in software AFTER you've resized it, fixed the colors, adjusted the levels, etc. That will dramatically improve your shots.

I'm using the EOS300D as a camera and not a Nikon....... Or are those settings also valid for Canon?

Quoting Lasham (Reply 12):
If it was blurry to start with then you will never get it looking good, even with loads of PS!

I'll try to see what I can do.. Otherwise it'll stay in my own collection...

Chris


User currently offlineD L X From United States of America, joined May 1999, 11571 posts, RR: 52
Reply 14, posted (8 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 5330 times:

Quoting Avro85 (Reply 13):
I'm using the EOS300D as a camera and not a Nikon

Hmm...

I could have sworn that was you looking for D70 advice earlier. Sorry for the mistake.



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User currently offlineAvro85 From Belgium, joined Jun 2005, 236 posts, RR: 2
Reply 15, posted (8 years 2 months 3 weeks 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 5286 times:

Quoting D L X (Reply 14):
Sorry for the mistake.

No problem  Wink

Quoting Lasham (Reply 12):
Like the crop now, but the front of the aircraft is still soft.

HI Tony, I finally ofund some time and tried a new edit. Is the softness now ok ?

http://www.airliners.net/addphotos/big/ready/LN-RCT_03.jpg

Best Regards
Chris


User currently offlineAvro85 From Belgium, joined Jun 2005, 236 posts, RR: 2
Reply 16, posted (8 years 2 months 1 week 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 5129 times:

I just wanted to thank everybody for the help in the forum as the picture just made it  Smile

Have a nice day
Chris
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User currently offlinePtrjong From Netherlands, joined Mar 2005, 4005 posts, RR: 18
Reply 17, posted (8 years 2 months 1 week 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 5126 times:


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