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Opinions On This Colour Reject?  
User currently offlineAC888YOW From Canada, joined Jan 2005, 536 posts, RR: 1
Posted (8 years 2 months 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 4125 times:

I've just had this image rejected for "colour" and "editing" (a first for me, no idea what that's about). I know it's only an AC 319, but I like the effect of the dark sky, evening light, and fall colours for the trees ...

http://www.airliners.net/procphotos/..._1896_AC_CFYIY_091906_CYOW_319.jpg

On an otherwise dark/dreary evening, the sun peeked through for about 5 min resulting in some wicked lighting that hilighted the plane and the trees changing colours (from summer to fall) in the background, all contrasting nicely with the dark sky. This lighting is the only reason why I snapped the pic of an otherwise "normal" subject.

As for the editing reject ... yikes. No idea what that's all about. Sufficed to say that I didn't do anything out of the ordinary during my editing ...

Anyway, your opinions ... ? Should I appeal or let it go?

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User currently offline9V From China, joined Aug 2008, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (8 years 2 months 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 4120 times:

Peter,

I don't know what it is but those trees look really wierd against the sky. Maybe you could reduce the saturation a bit?  Confused

Disclaimer: I'm no expert.  Smile


User currently offlineNewark777 From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 9348 posts, RR: 29
Reply 2, posted (8 years 2 months 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 4120 times:

Did you use Neatimage or any other grain reduction technique? Some of the details on the grass and trees looks a little funky.

I like the colors, though.

Harry

[Edited 2006-09-26 21:15:17]


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User currently offlineAC888YOW From Canada, joined Jan 2005, 536 posts, RR: 1
Reply 3, posted (8 years 2 months 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 4107 times:

No neatimage or similar. I followed the same workflow as I always do.

My only guess is that maybe the screener maybe doesn't live in a climate where these tree colours are common in nature (during season change from summer to fall) and therefore thinks I artificially altered them?

The dark sky certainly accentuates the effect, but as I said it's due to the fact it was a dark/cloudy day with the sun coming out only very briefly. Maybe the screener thought I altered the sky to make it dark?

I don't know ... perhaps if a screener might be able to provide some input?


User currently offlineJakTrax From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2005, 4936 posts, RR: 7
Reply 4, posted (8 years 2 months 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 4104 times:

I agree. The colours, although vibrant, look stunningly natural. The sky just goes that extra distance to highlight it beautifully. I live in the UK and as you can probably guess, scenes like this will begin to appear all over in the coming weeks.

Nice pic!

Karl


User currently offlineHalcyon From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (8 years 2 months 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 4098 times:

Just an excellent picture. I wonder why it was rejected. (What the screener was thinking when he checked the reject buttons.)

I've seen scenes like that before and always wished I could get a good picture of them.

Excellent job. I hope you appeal. It deserves to be in the database.

Lucas


User currently offlineClickhappy From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 9654 posts, RR: 68
Reply 6, posted (8 years 2 months 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 4097 times:
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I rejected it.

Peter, you know I am a big fan of your shots and have commented on them pubilcy.

Have a look at the strip of aluminium under the front cabin door, as well as the starboard wingtip.

The color of these two items leads me to believe that the color has been "jacked up." Other screeners were in agreement, which is a pity as it is a nice shot.

You can appeal of course.

Royal


User currently offlineThierryD From Luxembourg, joined Dec 2005, 2077 posts, RR: 51
Reply 7, posted (8 years 2 months 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 4087 times:
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Peter something must have gone wrong during your edit.
Look at the wingtips and the stripe below the front door; there's some turquoise color that surely doesn't belong there. Also the plane looks kinda pink on the top and at the rear.
To be honest I don't really know for sure what might have gotten that strange effect but re-check your original picture and if the colors are ok there just try a new edit. I'm sure it will have a good acceptance chance if you correct the color issue.

Good luck!

Thierry



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User currently offlineWakeTurbulence From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 1296 posts, RR: 16
Reply 8, posted (8 years 2 months 2 days ago) and read 4080 times:

I have to let you guys know it is the metal that is the problem. I have seen multiple times that on Air Canada Airbus aircraft the strip of metal under the door will turn a bright green when light hits it. Case and point:

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Photo © Chad Thomas - Jetwash Images


I actually warned Chad as he took this shot to look out for the effect, and he caught it perfectly. As for the wing I have seen this in photos of my own as well. It is a nice shot, and hopefully it will get in.
-Matt
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Edited to add my own image as well.

[Edited 2006-09-26 22:27:44]


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User currently offlineRanger703 From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2005, 157 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (8 years 2 months 2 days ago) and read 4068 times:

This is a beautiful shot and just goes to prove that screeners,are not always right. You have captured a perfect moment just when the light produces the effect as shown in Chads image,not many times or places in the world that you could capture it so vividly though.Top shot,its one of the reasons I like autumn so much.

Andy


User currently offlineAirMalta From Malta, joined Mar 2006, 394 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (8 years 2 months 2 days ago) and read 4065 times:

Nice shot !!

Quoting 9V (Reply 1):
Maybe you could reduce the saturation a bit

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Malcolm Wink


User currently offlineThierryD From Luxembourg, joined Dec 2005, 2077 posts, RR: 51
Reply 11, posted (8 years 2 months 2 days ago) and read 4065 times:
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Good observation Matthew!  bigthumbsup 
I looked around a bit and the Air Canada livery does indeed have some strange green stripes which turn into bright turquoise under some lighting conditions.
Close-up of those stripes:

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Photo © Sean Norman - t.dot photography


Still I think that the colors in Peter's shot are a bit off; though nothing that couldn't be fixed I'd say.

Thierry



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User currently offline9V From China, joined Aug 2008, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (8 years 2 months 2 days ago) and read 4059 times:

Quoting Clickhappy (Reply 6):
The color of these two items leads me to believe that the color has been "jacked up." Other screeners were in agreement, which is a pity as it is a nice shot.

Tell you what Clickhappy, you are a genius! I never would have spotted that!
 Wink


User currently offlineJakTrax From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2005, 4936 posts, RR: 7
Reply 13, posted (8 years 2 months 2 days ago) and read 4043 times:

Looks like some sort of luminescant paint...

Karl


User currently offlineBubbles From Canada, joined Apr 2005, 1196 posts, RR: 51
Reply 14, posted (8 years 2 months 2 days ago) and read 4036 times:
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Quoting JakTrax (Reply 13):
Looks like some sort of luminescant paint...

I also think so. Sometimes that stuff makes some trouble, especially on a certain angle of such paint in strong sunlight.

_Hongyin_


User currently offlineNewark777 From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 9348 posts, RR: 29
Reply 15, posted (8 years 2 months 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 4023 times:

I would appeal, saying that the screener rejected because he thought the strips were artificial, when they are really part of the plane.

Harry



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User currently offlineAC888YOW From Canada, joined Jan 2005, 536 posts, RR: 1
Reply 16, posted (8 years 2 months 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 4006 times:

Thanks to all for your comments, especially Clickhappy for his screener input (and nice compliment)!

Quoting Clickhappy (Reply 6):
Have a look at the strip of aluminium under the front cabin door, as well as the starboard wingtip.

The color of these two items leads me to believe that the color has been "jacked up."

Ahhh. Gotcha. I can see how this might look strange to folks who aren't familiar with this phenomenon regarding AC aircraft. However, as others have already mentioned, it is something that occurs naturally under certain lighting conditions. I've noticed it most frequently in the evenings, but I've seen it under other circumstances too.

I'll give an appeal a go and see what happens.


User currently offlineAC888YOW From Canada, joined Jan 2005, 536 posts, RR: 1
Reply 17, posted (8 years 1 month 4 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 3940 times:

Just an update: After appealing, the original rejection was upheld citing the same reasons as before ... "colour" and "editing" (yes, "editing" again even though I explained the natural phenomenon about the green strips). Fell on deaf ears I guess.

Anyway, this one is put to rest.


User currently offlineThierryD From Luxembourg, joined Dec 2005, 2077 posts, RR: 51
Reply 18, posted (8 years 1 month 4 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 3936 times:
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Quoting AC888YOW (Reply 17):
Just an update: After appealing, the original rejection was upheld citing the same reasons as before ... "colour" and "editing" (yes, "editing" again even though I explained the natural phenomenon about the green strips). Fell on deaf ears I guess.

Anyway, this one is put to rest.

Peter it wasn't just the green stripes; the picture as a whole just looks kinda oversaturated. I'd try a new edit and go a little easier on the colors.

Thierry



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User currently offlineAC888YOW From Canada, joined Jan 2005, 536 posts, RR: 1
Reply 19, posted (8 years 1 month 4 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 3921 times:

Quoting ThierryD (Reply 18):
the picture as a whole just looks kinda oversaturated

I accept this explanation and consider it to be the cause for the "colour" rejection. I take issue with the "editing" portion of the rejection as it is effectively an accusation about something I know I didn't do. I haven't been a member of these boards for very long but I've been submitting images for a few years and have never even thought about doing something "illegal" to one of my images. I value my untarnished reputation as a photographer, which is why I feel the need to defend it in this case.

Anyway, I never have made it a habit of questioning my rejections, and am not starting now. I only ever posted this thread so as to seek opinions on why I received the "editing" rejection, firstly because I'd never received it before and secondly because I know very well that I didn't edit the image in "an unacceptable manner".

The explanation given to me for the "editing" rejection was the green strips (which I understand can appear "funny" to someone unfamiliar with it), a phenomenon proven to be natural not only be me but more importantly by other neutral, unbiased parties as well. After explaining this in my reason for appeal (and providing the link to this thread), to have "editing" come back as a rejection reason (without any further explanation) is a bit of a smack.

That's all, no big deal really. Not trying to cause a fuss ... the case is closed. I'll leave this one just for me.

- Peter -


User currently offlineThierryD From Luxembourg, joined Dec 2005, 2077 posts, RR: 51
Reply 20, posted (8 years 1 month 4 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 3908 times:
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Quoting AC888YOW (Reply 19):
I accept this explanation and consider it to be the cause for the "colour" rejection. I take issue with the "editing" portion of the rejection

As far as I understand it, the editing rejection doesn't necessarily mean that screeners think you did something "illegal" but just that at some point in your edit something might have gone wrong or you just used an acceptable tool too extensively. Like the saturation tool; saturating a picture is allowed but if used too extensively the shot becomes unacceptable for A.net. I think this was the case here though I can't be sure without seeing the original shot.

Thierry



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User currently offlineAC888YOW From Canada, joined Jan 2005, 536 posts, RR: 1
Reply 21, posted (8 years 1 month 4 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 3899 times:

I'm currently at work so I don't have access to the original right now, but I'll try to remember to post it later just as a FYI.

User currently offlineTZ From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2003, 1085 posts, RR: 52
Reply 22, posted (8 years 1 month 4 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 3876 times:
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Quoting ThierryD (Reply 20):
As far as I understand it, the editing rejection doesn't necessarily mean that screeners think you did something "illegal" but just that at some point in your edit something might have gone wrong or you just used an acceptable tool too extensively. Like the saturation tool; saturating a picture is allowed but if used too extensively the shot becomes unacceptable for A.net. I think this was the case here though I can't be sure without seeing the original shot.

Prefect explanation Thierry, and well put.

TZ



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