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Motiv Rejection. But Why?  
User currently offlineSpencer From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2004, 1635 posts, RR: 17
Posted (7 years 11 months 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 5612 times:

Can't seem to figure this one out..... I've received a motiv rejection for this:

http://www.airliners.net/uf/view.fil...4509&filename=1159900631BawzIX.jpg

What I can't understand is it's the first window shot pic of Ryanair's Dreamliner with winglets, given these two are already on the db without:


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(Both nice shots BTW).
What gives? Why motiv? Please.
Spencer.


EOS1D4, 7D, 30D, 100-400/4.5-5.6 L IS USM, 70-200/2.8 L IS2 USM, 17-40 f4 L USM, 24-105 f4 L IS USM, 85 f1.8 USM
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User currently offlineChrisH From Sweden, joined Jul 2004, 1136 posts, RR: 16
Reply 1, posted (7 years 11 months 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 5607 times:

Appeal it! Nice shot, don't see what the motiv issue would be.


what seems to be the officer, problem?
User currently offlineNIKV69 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (7 years 11 months 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 5577 times:

Well one thing that comes to mind is the engine is cut off and the angle of the shot is a bit different. I am no expert in shots like this but look at the two pics you posted as comparisons. Much cleaner, nothing cut off and and angle of the shot has it a little more downward and it just adds so much more to the shot. Yours has the viewer looking up in space and I just feel not seeing the entire engine takes a little away.

[Edited 2006-10-03 21:13:16]

User currently offlineNewark777 From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 9348 posts, RR: 30
Reply 3, posted (7 years 11 months 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 5574 times:

There's a lot of dead space, with nothing that interesting in the top right.

Harry



Why grab a Heine when you can grab a Busch?
User currently offlineAviopic From Netherlands, joined Mar 2004, 2681 posts, RR: 42
Reply 4, posted (7 years 11 months 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 5564 times:

Quoting Spencer (Thread starter):
Can't seem to figure this one out..... I've received a motiv rejection for this

Don't worry........ we all get them and we are all puzzling  Smile
http://www.airliners.net/addphotos/r...61002_Polik-Po2_F-AZPN_MG_1343.jpg



The truth lives in one’s mind, it doesn’t really exist
User currently offlineDendrobatid From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2004, 1668 posts, RR: 62
Reply 5, posted (7 years 11 months 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 5564 times:
AIRLINERS.NET CREW
HEAD SCREENER

Behind the winglet, a brown area that looks like some sort of a reflection would be my guesss at motive.

Mick Bajcar


User currently offlineSpencer From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2004, 1635 posts, RR: 17
Reply 6, posted (7 years 11 months 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 5534 times:

Thanks guys but,

Quoting NIKV69 (Reply 2):
but look at the two pics you posted as comparisons

They weren't comparisons, merely showing that I have searched for this aircraft + window view and this is all I came up with.

Quoting NIKV69 (Reply 2):
nothing cut off

Seems the first pic has the engine cut off too.....

Quoting Dendrobatid (Reply 5):
Behind the winglet, a brown area that looks like some sort of a reflection would be my guess at motive.

Looked like a rogue cloud to me in the full size image. But if it's going to cause a problem I'll clone it out?
Thanks again.
Spencer.



EOS1D4, 7D, 30D, 100-400/4.5-5.6 L IS USM, 70-200/2.8 L IS2 USM, 17-40 f4 L USM, 24-105 f4 L IS USM, 85 f1.8 USM
User currently offlineNewark777 From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 9348 posts, RR: 30
Reply 7, posted (7 years 11 months 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 5530 times:

Quoting Spencer (Reply 6):

Seems the first pic has the engine cut off too.....

But that one has some interesting clouds and mountains to show.

Harry



Why grab a Heine when you can grab a Busch?
User currently offlineSpencer From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2004, 1635 posts, RR: 17
Reply 8, posted (7 years 11 months 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 5524 times:

And mine has a nice new winglet Harry!
Spencer.



EOS1D4, 7D, 30D, 100-400/4.5-5.6 L IS USM, 70-200/2.8 L IS2 USM, 17-40 f4 L USM, 24-105 f4 L IS USM, 85 f1.8 USM
User currently offlineEadster From Australia, joined Jan 2005, 2216 posts, RR: 14
Reply 9, posted (7 years 11 months 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 5524 times:

The others have something "interesting" to look like like cloud layers in the examples.

With yours, there's not much there to keep you looking.


User currently offlineSpencer From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2004, 1635 posts, RR: 17
Reply 10, posted (7 years 11 months 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 5516 times:

Except the new winglet?!
Spencer.



EOS1D4, 7D, 30D, 100-400/4.5-5.6 L IS USM, 70-200/2.8 L IS2 USM, 17-40 f4 L USM, 24-105 f4 L IS USM, 85 f1.8 USM
User currently offlineMygind66 From Spain, joined May 2004, 1058 posts, RR: 12
Reply 11, posted (7 years 11 months 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 5516 times:

Quoting Aviopic (Reply 4):
Don't worry........ we all get them and we are all puzzling
http://www.airliners.net/addphotos/r...3.jpg

Willem..

I recognise I do have some kind of ENVY watching where are you flying Big grin
I'm happy to see you have such opportunities..

About the rejection ( Spencer's one..) at least to my eyes the winglet is not focused/not sharp and the engine is cut off. The sky is not showing anything interesting... If the reason was the brown area as Mick says It would be a quality call instead of motive...

Cheers

Enrique


User currently offlineSpencer From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2004, 1635 posts, RR: 17
Reply 12, posted (7 years 11 months 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 5511 times:

Winglet focus looks fine to me. Now, is A.net an aircraft site, or a nature site? Should I make sure I shoot these kind of shots when and if I'm passing the Alps next time, with of course some beautiful cloud formations????
Spencer.



EOS1D4, 7D, 30D, 100-400/4.5-5.6 L IS USM, 70-200/2.8 L IS2 USM, 17-40 f4 L USM, 24-105 f4 L IS USM, 85 f1.8 USM
User currently offlineDC10Tim From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2005, 1406 posts, RR: 14
Reply 13, posted (7 years 11 months 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 5490 times:

Spencer it's a nice shot, but there really isn't anything to look at in the whole top right corner, new winglet or not. I'm guessing that's where the rejection came from.

Regards,

Tim.



Obviously missing something....
User currently offlineAviopic From Netherlands, joined Mar 2004, 2681 posts, RR: 42
Reply 14, posted (7 years 11 months 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 5490 times:

Quoting Mygind66 (Reply 11):
I recognise I do have some kind of ENVY watching where are you flying

Anybody with a little bit of aviation blood running through his vanes would Enrique.

Quoting Mygind66 (Reply 11):
I'm happy to see you have such opportunities..

This one took me about 1.5 year preparation and 4 trips up and down to France, they don't come easy.

But we are drifting of topic  Smile



The truth lives in one’s mind, it doesn’t really exist
User currently offlineJorge1812 From Germany, joined Apr 2004, 3149 posts, RR: 8
Reply 15, posted (7 years 11 months 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 5491 times:

Hi.
Sorry for posting it again. I had this one rejected for info the first time and after I fixed it for motiv

http://www.airliners.net/addphotos/r...big/20061003_DDR-SPW_170906_30.jpg

In this thread
What Caused This Motive Rejection? (by AirKas1 Sep 27 2006 in Aviation Photography)

I got told it might get caused by the background - I don't think that the background can ruin this shot cause I found it very interesting. What are your opinions? Maybe a screener can tell me the truth.

Thanks for your help and forgive me that I posted it again, but I thought this new started thread will get more attention thru it's title.

Georg


User currently offlineAirplanepics From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2003, 2732 posts, RR: 40
Reply 16, posted (7 years 11 months 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 5490 times:

Quoting Spencer (Reply 12):
Winglet focus looks fine to me. Now, is A.net an aircraft site, or a nature site? Should I make sure I shoot these kind of shots when and if I'm passing the Alps next time, with of course some beautiful cloud formations????

Spencer, I've told you this before - you need to fly on bad weather day's! That way you'll get decent cloud and effects so you can upload them to airliners, when will you listen?!

Oh and by the way, I can't find anything wrong with the pic, nice shot. Keep it in your personal collection, it's a.net's loss, not yours!

When you coming back over to the UK Spence? Maybe it's time I start looking at flights to GOT/GSE again!  Wink

/Si.



Simon - London-Aviation.com
User currently offlineEZYAirbus From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2003, 2460 posts, RR: 52
Reply 17, posted (7 years 11 months 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 5474 times:

Quoting Newark777 (Reply 7):
clouds and mountains

this isnt cloudsandmountains.net is it?

Quoting Newark777 (Reply 3):
There's a lot of dead space, with nothing that interesting in the top right

Picture 1 has a lot of dead space, wing and engine in the same position as spencers shot

Nice pic Spence, id certainly appeal it!

Glenn



http://www.glenneldridgeaviation.com
User currently offlineNewark777 From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 9348 posts, RR: 30
Reply 18, posted (7 years 11 months 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 5460 times:

Quoting Spencer (Reply 10):
Except the new winglet?!

I'm talking about the view beyond the plane.

Quoting EZYAirbus (Reply 17):

this isnt cloudsandmountains.net is it?

This isn't fighters.net or airportterminals.net either, and we have enough of those.

Quoting EZYAirbus (Reply 17):

Picture 1 has a lot of dead space, wing and engine in the same position as spencers shot

It's a pretty interesting shot of the top of a cloud layer with mountains poking through. I don't know what I'm looking at in Spencer's.

Harry



Why grab a Heine when you can grab a Busch?
User currently offlineEZYAirbus From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2003, 2460 posts, RR: 52
Reply 19, posted (7 years 11 months 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 5443 times:

Quoting Newark777 (Reply 18):
I don't know what I'm looking at in Spencer's.

Wing and winglet would be a good place to start i reckon!



http://www.glenneldridgeaviation.com
User currently offlineNewark777 From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 9348 posts, RR: 30
Reply 20, posted (7 years 11 months 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 5436 times:

Quoting EZYAirbus (Reply 19):
Wing and winglet would be a good place to start i reckon!

Well, that covers about 1/3 of the picture, then...

Harry



Why grab a Heine when you can grab a Busch?
User currently offlineSpencer From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2004, 1635 posts, RR: 17
Reply 21, posted (7 years 11 months 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 5404 times:

Thanks guys for all the support and criticism, seriously. I'll drop the subject now! Was just curious is all. Cheers again.
Spencer.



EOS1D4, 7D, 30D, 100-400/4.5-5.6 L IS USM, 70-200/2.8 L IS2 USM, 17-40 f4 L USM, 24-105 f4 L IS USM, 85 f1.8 USM
User currently offlineQ330 From Australia, joined Dec 2003, 1460 posts, RR: 21
Reply 22, posted (7 years 11 months 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 5324 times:

Quoting Dendrobatid (Reply 5):
Behind the winglet, a brown area that looks like some sort of a reflection would be my guesss at motive.



Quoting Spencer (Reply 6):
Looked like a rogue cloud to me in the full size image. But if it's going to cause a problem I'll clone it out?

Doesn't look like a cloud to me, I've never seen one anything like that. I have the feeling that's the reason for the rejection.

Take the screener's advice!  Wink

-Q



Long live the A330!
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